Ok, something i always wondered about has its basis in the “philosophers
stone”. Nicholas Flamel is the only known maker but Dombledore,
rumoured as the greatest wizard of the age, was his partner in alchemy. I
believe that Dumbledore therefore must know how to make it even if he
chooses not to.
My point - Voldemort is supposedly the most powerful wizard alive and i
find it unusual with all his knowledge of all the various forms of magic, that
he doesnt know how to make it himself. Or maybe he just didnt have the
resources in the state he was in.
opinions???????
:wizard: :blink:

hm, noone's replied yet?

i like your thinking, phoenix!
i guess dumbledore would have to know how to make it. he can't be helping, which i assume he did as a partner, without knowing how to do it. dumbledore is the oldest wizard we know in the books (i think). he's 150 years old and that's even old for a wizard! over the past two or three books we get this feeling that he's really getting older, closer to the end, or so i always thought. but do you think it is possible he has taken some of the elixir of life before and that's why he's so old?

to voldemort: yeah, he is one of the most powerful wizards, but he apparently doesn't know how to do this trick seeing he was trying to steal the stone :P . i guess it just shows that, even when you are one of the best, you don't know everything. but it's quite possible that he knows a couple of tricks DD doesn't. cause it works the other way around too. good and evil work in such different ways.

yeah this doesn’t seem to be such a popular topic :(
ah well - you can’t win them all!
;)
i agree with you about the fact that even the most powerful
wizards don’t know everything. it’s so true. That particular
discovery was made by Flamel and dumbledore and i suppose
it goes to the grave with dumbledore. But i can’t see him
letting the thing just dissapear from all knowledge.
Hm ...DD actually might have taken some of the elixer i
think you may be on to something obviously they had to test
it on peole and as its such a secret - who better than
themselves!
:wizard:

altho voldemort may be very powerful it doesnt mean that hes smart 2. besides, he cant no evry thing!!! :blink:

i never thought about them having to test the stuff. i guess it's possible that only flamel tested it, but i don't think it's very likely. i say there's a good chance DD had some elixir in his lifetime! just wondering tho: how would someone test an elixir of life :unsure:

i do wonder if that topic of the stone will come up again in one of the last books. i find it really interesting! also, we've been given this feeling that dumbledore is getting older.....yeah, of course he is....i meant closer to the end. dunno, but could have something to do with the stone being destroyed.

Yeah, I wondered about that too; I mean, you can't just make a batch of Elixir of Life and then give it to a rat to see if it works or anything. . . or can you???? :unsure: But I think they would have wanted to test it on themselves instead, so Dumbledore prolly had at least a little.

Now as to why Voldie doesn't know how to make it. . . maybe he didn't do so well in Alchemy or something. . . like many people have said "The smartest person doesn't know everything." And I don't think Voldie was the smartest person either; clever, yes, brilliant, maybe not so much. . .

And yeah, Dumbledore just seems to age so much now; maybe it IS because he's had a little Elixir himself, maybe it's cause of all the stress and worry he's going through now. . .

You have a point there, with dumbledor might knowing about how to make the philosifer's stone. But if he make another one, then it would have to be guarded again, and voldemort would attempt to steal it again, and i don't think he'd want that. I mean the elixar of life, in the hands of voldemort, that wouldn't work, cause then harry couldn't defeat him in the end!!

yeah i agree its not at all like testing on lab rats or anything and its something that only time can tell. But flamel was an awful awful lot older than DD so he was had to have made the discovery before DD right? thats not a cert cos we dont actually know how old DD is.......

I get what you mean, if Dumbledor really was the most powerfulest and he knew NF, then why didnt he find out how to make it and give it to Harry, to save Harry, or why didn't he give it to Harry's parents.... It's quite strange.....

yeah, that's really weird, but maybe he though it was better that they die... some plan for their later return maybe? :unsure: but would it save them from dying if they were already about to die from being hit by the spell... plus he couldn't have known before hand, could he?

May be it can't be made....

May be its just something that he found and decieded to keep and would you look at that..... it keeps you alive...

I was just thinking, you know how Harry had it in his pocket at the end of the movie, why was he so scared, I mean if he had it then that meant that Voldermort couldn't kill him because he wouldn't die, and he couldn't touch Harry because of his mothers curse..... Why was he so worried man, he was like superman.... invinsable!! *nods* :P

its not the actual stone that makes you immortal i believe. You have to make the elixer - the stone is a key part but holding the stone will not protect you since the elixer is not in your body.

thats the best i can explain that
:P

yea i agree with phoenix. u have to make the elixer prolly using a potion. plus, even if voldy couldnt kill him.... he could definitely hurt him or he would try 2 steal the stone from harry.

that is a good q. Yes as u said he could not get the necessary things in his state even to survive he had to takeover other animals body. So how can he make a philosopher's stone. :)

Yeah, you have an awfuly good point there..if voldemort was week, and had to take over animal's bodies to survive i doubt he'd be able to make a new philosifer's stone even if he did know how.

i think that the reason DD seems to be aging so much is worry!! he has to worry about the malfoys trying to take his job. he has to worry about harry being safe. he was to worry about his headmaster job. he has to worry about voldie just showing up unexpectedly. thats a lot for a guy to think about, and also, maybe with voldie back, voldie is using this magic spell or something to make DD feel like hes aging. i dont know mabe im just being the dumb one here.

no, you have a very good point there, that is A LOT to worry about! I don't think he worry's so much about his job, i think in his oppinion when its his time to step down, he has no choice but to do so. But for harry's safty..and lord voldemort continusly showing up, yeah...that just might make a person worry a little.

very good point. i like it.