Title: Do you think Snape is on Harry's side?
.Oblivion. - February 22, 2005 05:26 PM (GMT)
I DO think Severus Snape is on Harry's side. I know he's not a very pleasant person and dislikes everyone is general and Harry in particular and that he was a death eater once, but that doesn't make him EVIL. He rejoined Dumbledore and turned spy for the Order at great personal risk. And besides, Snape helped Harry and his friends at the end of the Order of the Phoenix to find Sirius. Not only did he alert the members of the OotP, he also observed if Harry and his friends were safe in the Forbidden Forest. Isn't that enough to make him trustworthy? I think it is ...
Anyway, now that everyone has read the Order of the Phoenix, we've unearthed evidence of Snape's tragic past. We do know now that Snape didn't have a very happy childhood with pleasant memories, and that his parents were constantly fighting and that he was also teased at school by James and Sirius and called 'Snivelly' and 'Spotty'. And, it isn't really enjoyable to be dangled upside down in front of everyone in school by an arrogant boy, is it? I think Snape's malicious behaviour towards the students in general is justified, seeing his not-so-happy life at Hogwarts as a student and when he returned to Hogwarts as a teacher.
In fact, I think Snape was being pretty civil to Harry during his Occlumency classes. Only Harry kept losing his cool because the very sight of Snape made him very angry. And, remember, Snape accomodated a lot of Harry's questions during his classes though according to Educational Decree Number 2x, Snape was forbidden to tell Harry anything that was unrelated to Potions.
That's it! I trust Snape. Do you?
mwiley - February 24, 2005 11:33 PM (GMT)
I think that snape is on harry's side, meaning the good side, not harry's. He still seemed to have a burning hate for harry, and his diseased father, i'm really not sure.
flounder21 - March 15, 2005 10:54 PM (GMT)
i do believe that snape is on harry's side and i do trust him, but couldnt harry and snape be just a little nicer to each other? i know harry kind of has a reason- because snape is always purposefully getting harry and his friends in trouble. but snape hates harry just because of his father? im sorry but this doesnt make sense to me. if there was a better reason i could deal with it. but why would u hate som1 becuz of there father? however id do think if it was a life or death situation than they would help each other out and that is good enough 4 me!!! :wizard:
BarbieGirl - March 16, 2005 09:05 PM (GMT)
Maybe there's more to Snapes hate towards Harry, think about it, maybe he had a thing for Lily?? If he did then Harry would just be a constant reminder of her being with another man.
And I do think Snape is on the good side, Dumbledore trusts him, we dont know why he trusts him yet, but for some reason I dont think Dumbledore is wrong about him.
Lianslo - March 17, 2005 07:24 AM (GMT)
I think I'm a bit more skeptical then you guys. I've always been slightly torn on the Snape issue. A big part of me says that if DD believes Snape, then we shouldn't ask any questions, but there is also the Death Eater factor. Either way, theres obviously more that we don't know about Snape.
I've also always felt that its quite childish of him to constantly maintain such harsh feelings for Harry for something his father did. It just all seems very immature - although, there may very well be more to that part of the story as well.
SiRiUsLyAdDiCtEd - March 18, 2005 06:13 AM (GMT)
i dunno. :unsure: DD keeps saying he trusts snape....but does he really trust him entirely? there is a reason why snape still has not gotten the dada job, but i just can't figure it out. and of course DD wouldn't tell harry and co. "i don't really trust snape either".
i'm so torn on this subject because we know so little about it. i think snape's on the good side and i hope he is. so yeah.....reasons? DD must trust him enough to let him teach at hogwarts, and i think snape's gonna do something good in the end, and i know nomore
mwiley - April 1, 2005 06:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BarbieGirl @ Mar 16 2005, 02:05 PM) |
Maybe there's more to Snapes hate towards Harry, think about it, maybe he had a thing for Lily?? If he did then Harry would just be a constant reminder of her being with another man.
And I do think Snape is on the good side, Dumbledore trusts him, we dont know why he trusts him yet, but for some reason I dont think Dumbledore is wrong about him. |
Yeah, you do have a point there, maybe he did have a thing for lily, and hated james even more for marrying her. And then harry was born from the girl snape fancied, and it would remind him of the girl he wanted, but couldn't have, somehow in a weird way, i think that makes sence. :huh: but i'm not sure.
darko-grl - April 19, 2005 08:32 AM (GMT)
I think that deeo down inside, he is on Harry's side... and when it comes to it, he will be there for him. No matter how much he thinks that he hates Harry and wants nothing to do with him, I think that Snape will always be there for Harry.... It will show some day.....
Luna - April 20, 2005 03:23 AM (GMT)
Yeah, he'll get overr his little pride. but i don't trust him juuuuust yeeet. he hasn't earned it, u kno? mayb i'm just paranoid, but he'll torment the little guy for a bit longer before coming around. anyone agree?
darko-grl - April 20, 2005 06:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Luna @ Apr 19 2005, 08:23 PM) |
| Yeah, he'll get overr his little pride. but i don't trust him juuuuust yeeet. he hasn't earned it, u kno? mayb i'm just paranoid, but he'll torment the little guy for a bit longer before coming around. anyone agree? |
Yea, there is ALOT of pride you can see....
I think he might be tested in the books to come.... he will have to save Harry in a way... or something like that.....
lilly potter - June 9, 2005 02:03 PM (GMT)
i do believe snape he might hate harry but it was because what james did to him and that does not mean he can not be a good person in the inside.
mwiley - June 12, 2005 08:44 PM (GMT)
Yeah thats right, that doesn't make him a bad person. Dumbledore trusts him (as hermione points out several times) But i also think theres a reason he's not getting the DADA job.
whiteflame - June 20, 2005 07:26 PM (GMT)
i do think that snape is on harry's side, but only because there were so many times that he could have killed harry and didnt that hes nice. but also to think about, no one else trusted him in the order, except DD. what if in saying he was a spy, he really was a spy against them???? :huh: confusing huh? but it would make perfect sense, to feed them little tidbits of information, but yet feed voldie all the juicy stuff that they were going to be doing.
mwiley - June 25, 2005 07:32 PM (GMT)
I doubt it...i think that snape has changed. He may have used to be a death eather, but that doesn't mean he still is. And dumbledor is like never wrong, so if he trusts him everybody else follows suit...but what if dumbledore is wrong this time?
FISH - July 31, 2005 06:51 PM (GMT)
i pretty sure hes a death eater kno
whiteflame - August 10, 2005 04:09 AM (GMT)
well, he may still be a death eater, but still. its kinda weird to think that harry could have been killed so many times, even without anyone finding out snape did it.
Snape could have sent him on some dangerous place, or out into the forest, and he could have been killed then. but, still snape didnt do it. i dont think he was as faithful to voldie as he claims he was. but thats just me.
geeky granger - August 10, 2005 04:23 AM (GMT)
Call me the black sheep but I think that Snape is on Harry's side. Dumbledore had to have had a iron clad reason for trusting him and I trust Dumbledore's judgement on that matter. I also think that Snape told Dumbledore about the binding pact he made with Narcissia, and that is the reason Dumbledore knew about Draco and that he was going to die either way because if he didn't Snape would. I think Snape will prove to be useful to Harry in his battle against the Dark Lord.
mtgluva - August 10, 2005 05:22 AM (GMT)
really geeky granger? i've always thought that he was evil. if he was good, then why did he have to make the unbreakable vow with narcissa and actual murder dumbledore? there are also tons of times where you think he's good as well. whiteflame does make some good points. he was also a member of the order...
geeky granger - August 10, 2005 05:30 AM (GMT)
I believe he made that vow with Narcissia so that he would not be caught as a double agent by voldemort... ie hand twitch.... his mind was churning a million miles an hour. As for the murder of dumbledore... I think dumbledore was informed of it by Snape and little could be done to stop it. They just put it off as long as they could. Whiteflame makes plausible points... really what I have with this is a little fact with a huge gut feeling.
HBPrince - August 12, 2005 01:05 AM (GMT)
I don't really like Snape too much, but I really don't wanna believe that he's evil. He may act evil sometimes, but he can't be honestly death eater evil. And if he is... I'll... um... well, I won't really do anything. But I'll be severly dissapointed.
mwiley - August 17, 2005 05:32 AM (GMT)
Yeah me too...but I don't think snape is anyway. If he was still a death eater, he would have probably tried to kill harry by now, or at least I think he would have. If dumbledore was gone, there would wouldn't really be anyone to catch him.
Luna - August 19, 2005 12:28 AM (GMT)
Uhhhhhh, No?!
he did kill DD, and there is only about a oone in a trillion chance that he will come back to harry's side after all that....i think all the hatred for Harry just built up through the years of both DD and Voldy thinking he was a oduble agent, so he chose the dark side, cuz at the moment it was stronger! ^_^
that's a bad thing tho... :( :angry:
mwiley - August 19, 2005 05:17 AM (GMT)
Yes that's a very bad thing
But who knows? Snape is very good at playing his part so nobody really knows for sure if he's good or bad. I don't want to believe he's bad..but maybe he is, i don't know that.
marywyman - August 1, 2006 11:48 PM (GMT)
:huh: I think that although Snape hates Harry, he is on Harry's side. I think he has a secret that only Dumbledore knew about, I don't think even Voldemort knew about it. I think that we will find out in book 7 just what that secret was and how it really affected Snape. I do think there was a connection of some sort between Lily and Snape, maybe even James too. ( like maybe they were secretly friends or something, there towards the end of James' life, they were both fighting against Voldemort by that time. Or maybe Snape didn't come over to the good side until after Voldemort killed James and Lily, I am not sure). I think that a lot of Snapes' behavior did have a lot to do with how he was treated at home. Being made fun of at school really can affect you in the most negative ways, to the point of destructiveness, either to yourself or others.
I think Snape not only tried to protect Harry, as in the 1st book, I think all those years as Harry's teacher, Snape tried to get Harry to learn the stuff that he will need to defeat Voldemort, not only in Potions, but in Legilimens, and especially in the DADA. Even after Snape supposedly killed Dumbledore (I do think he did kill Dumbledore, but only because I think Dumbledore gave him intructions to do so, in order to help Harry in end) I think Snape was still trying to get Harry to understand the only way to get to Voldemort was to close his mind to him, as he was flicking little jinxs at Harry, not to do significant harm, but to get Harry to understand that He could have killed him if he truly wanted to then.
Sardine - August 2, 2006 03:58 PM (GMT)
I think Snape is drifting more to the 'good' side than to the 'bad' side. Im hoping him and Draco will/are pulling a bluff and are gonna be the ones that will help kill Voldemort. If Snape dies than I wont be a happy HP fan.
REMY-SALINAS - August 2, 2006 05:16 PM (GMT)
I also do not think Snape is bad, Harry may not be his favorite person and he is very mean to him but he has never tried anything to hurt him and he has had plenty of chances to do that in fact he has even helped Harry on occasion all that plus the fact that Dumbledore trusts him is reason enough for me to believe Snape will show us all that he isn't a Death Eater anymore but a member of The Order of the Phoenix.
Sardine - August 21, 2006 05:15 AM (GMT)
Dumbledore's trust of Snape wont have any effect on harry now,seeing as Dumbledore's dead... But Snape is good, and JK's interview proves it! *celebrates*
TwistedLogic-05 - August 21, 2006 03:08 PM (GMT)
what interview? and yes i do think Snape is good, but sometimes i did have my doubts
REMY-SALINAS - August 21, 2006 06:42 PM (GMT)
okay so Snape is good he had me fooled a coouple of time but my question is now if snape fooled some people do you think a member of the order of the phoenix might have done the same and be working for Voldemort? and if so who??
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 02:53 AM (GMT)
Snape is evil. I just won't convinced otherwise. So many good people's instincts just can't be wrong. James, Lily, Sirius, Lupin, Harry.... I mean truly... how could they all be wrong? He's bad. Bad to the bone.
REMY-SALINAS - October 4, 2006 06:09 AM (GMT)
Your right almost everybody was against Snape being good except for one person and that was Dumbledore, why would he have trusted snape before he trusted someone else who had to have been more trustworthy. why send Harry to him for his occlumency lessons when he could have taught him himself and why did he ask harry to get snape specifically right before his death. Dumbledore isn't very easily tricked and i think there is a very good reason as to why he trusted him enough to include him in all major decisions. Now my question was does anybody think that maybe a member of the order of the phoenix could turn traitor and if one does who will it be??
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 08:16 AM (GMT)
Dumbledore is very powerful yes. But he is not infallible. As he clearly admits to Harry he has made mistakes before, and had even made some recently. After having Snape in the castle for so many years, without a flicker of betrayal... well it's easier to believe that he's really on his side. I don't think that one man, and Dumbledore is only one man, will be a better judge of character than 5 other people who are also excellent judges of character. Dumbledore made a mistake. That's my opinion. I just don't think Snape is good, and I think he is the member of the OotP that will be a traitor.
REMY-SALINAS - October 4, 2006 08:23 AM (GMT)
better make taht six people because you are an excellent judge of character yourself and yes i had forgotten that everyone even dumbledore can make a mistake i guess maybe his one weakness is that he never saw anyone as truly evil. and if there is one member of the OOTP who does turn traitor i hope it is Snape because i can't imagine anyone else doing that
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 08:26 AM (GMT)
Oh well... I guess well see though... in what? Another 9 months? OMFG It's still SOOOO far away!!!!! :cry:
REMY-SALINAS - October 4, 2006 08:39 AM (GMT)
aww it isn't so long besides you have to remember good things come to those who wait
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 08:42 AM (GMT)
I hate that saying... :P I want it now! I've been waiting over a year already. I knew I shouldn't have started reading the series until after they had all come out... would have the books for a cheaper price too. LOL!
REMY-SALINAS - October 4, 2006 08:58 AM (GMT)
wouldn't it be funny if they did to books what dvd's are and added a few extras to the books in the future like sketch drawings that didn't make it into the books and first drafts of storylines hmm who knows perhaps Hermione was originally meant for Harry and that is why they are so perfect together or jsut little inside info like what was jkr thinking as she killed off cedric?? just stuff like taht i think it be cool if that happpened
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 09:00 AM (GMT)
Are you kidding? I would be sooo mad! That means I would have to buy each book twice! Once to read it right away, and again when the one with all the extra stuff came out, because never release the best version first....
REMY-SALINAS - October 4, 2006 09:09 AM (GMT)
that is so funny but you are so right then in twenty years we'll all be buying the 20th anniversary editions of the books with the special new paper or something or they will have pictures of the movies in the book for each corresponding movie with special insight by the actors themselves lol
dreamdancer7699 - October 4, 2006 02:00 PM (GMT)
Oh man.... That would really tick me off. Okay... sorry guys. Got a little off subject there... So yeah... Snape=bad. LOL!