Why was peter petigrew in Gryffindor......all the marauders were Gryffindor..........

and why is hermione not in ravenclaw??.....i think i know

and why was flitwick in ravenclaw......when he was a duelling champion???

but mostly why was petegrew in Gryffindor???

and if you think.. that qualities of houses have to be mentioned or compared
then its great... cause i think they do matter...

Because he had the guts to go over to the other side and decisive his friends??? I dunno he was kinda a whimp.

Maybe because he wanted to be? If Harry can choose Gryffindor over Slytherin, then why couldn't Peter choose Gryffindor over another house? Maybe he saw his other friends get into Gryffindor, and wanted it so badly, that the Sorting Hat gave it to him? As for Hermione, yes she's smart enough to be Ravenclaw, but she's even more couragous and stubborn which are very much Gryffindor traits. The Flitwick question, I have no idea, because I dont remember reading it. However just because you're a good fighter doesn't mean you should be a Gryffindor or a Slytherin... Maybe he was good at duels, but lacked courage or determination?

Wow Dream...Nice explanation...Hehe I'm Back!!!
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Yeah...I agree with Dreamy. I don't really remember reading about flitwick being all that stuff that you said...But just because people don't remember doesn't mean it's not in there...Anyways...Petigrew probubly DID want Gryffindor so badly...But anyway this kind of stuff might be clarified a bit more in the next and final (I'm gonna cry...) book.
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I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE LAST!!! Maybe JKRowling'll make a new series like this or something...Or if not...You could just watch out for my book...It's eithier gonna be called Gammot...Or October...Anyways I'm off topic sorry...

I've wondered about Peter, too, nikhil. He's too spineless and sleazy to be in Griffindor! Maybe the Sorting Hat didn't know where to put a wimp like him? But there's a lot we don't know about The Hat. In addition to sorting, it can talk, compose poetry, and it surprised us by coughing up the sword of Griffindor in CoS. Who knows what it might do in Book 7?

Dream, I disagree about stubborness being a Griffindor quality. I think we Hufflepuffs can lay claim to that one! Badgers are more stubborn than lions any day! :P

Anyway, I think The Hat put Hermione in Griffindor because it knew the boys would need her help.

As for Flitwick, if a Hufflepuff can be a triwizard champion, there's no reason why a Ravenclaw couldn't be a dueling champion. I doubt that dueling skills are limited to any particular house. Go Flitwick! :jumpsmile:

To tell you the truth I dont think Gryfindor or Slytherine are that different thats why they hate each other because they clash too much. I know i know off topic

sorting hat was specifically made to sort..... it wouldnt sort just looking into peoples wishes..... and harry wished that he didnt want to be in slytherin..... as far as i remember..... not that he wanted to be in gryffindor........

harry was difficult to place.......

it took long time before it put neville in gryffindor.....

and ginny i dont think, looking into qualities of houses is out of topic...
and flitwick as duelling champion was mentioned in cos(duel club)..by hermy.

Is it actually mentioned anywhere that Peter was in Gryffindor? I don't remember that mentioned, but I could have missed something.

If he wasn't, couldn't we all just be assuming that he was a Gryffindor based on the other Marauders? It's possible that it was an inter-house friendship.

Otherwise, perhaps he wasn't always so spineless. He obviously was good enough to be such close friends with the Marauders in the first place, enough so that he was in on the Marauder's map as well and the animagus transformations. Maybe after time the war against Voldermort just ate away at him, combined with an amazing offer from Voldermort was enough for him to switch sides.

Also, we don't know anything about his family history. Perhaps he grew up in a family like Sirius did; full of Voldermort supporters.

Or maybe - and this is the hopeless romantic in me coming out - he betrayed his friends for a girl. Either out of jealousy of one of the others (perhaps he was in love with Lily?) or because she was a supporter of Voldemort herself?

There's many different reasons as to why he may have switched sides and why he may have been put in Gryffindor. Think of Neville, for example; in Philosopher's Stone he was basically the spineless twit that Peter is described as (clumsy as well) but the Sorting Hat must have seen a justified reason for putting him in Gryffindor.

[And I don't mean to be insulting to Neville - I absolutely adore him.]

Oh, I agree with hteb on Peter. I think, well, people change. Moreover, war and threats effect how people change. I say Petigrew was likely a tolerable Gryffindor when he was first placed there, not outstanding mind. Perhaps he was more loyal then, but Voldermort or his supporters discovered that he was a character that could be easily manipulated? Now I'm just guessing.

As for Hermoine, her courage and her convictions just seem to over come her stenght in knowledge by a hair, and I'm sure the sorting hat would have taken that into conideration.

After all, Cedric Diggory was a Hufflepuff, and that boy was very corageous. Obviously his loyalty must have beena greater strength, if only by a hairs breadth, than his courage. Or well, myabe not 'obviously' but I'm happy to make that conjecture.

Ah, and yes it was mentioned in the books, hteb that Peter Pettigrew was Gryffindor, I just can't recall which at the moment. (I want to say either discussion in PoA, or in the Flashbacks in OotP...)

Hm, it was? Perhaps it's time for me to read the series again. It's been a while since I've read them all. :)

i dont think it was mentioned..... but it was never mentioned that flitwick was the head of ravenclaw either.
but i think its safe to assume that he was in gryffindor.

Okay then, this is slightly off the topic at hand, but I think I needed to tackle it anyway. For kicks and giggles if nothing else ;)

About Flitwick and Ravenclaw

I don't know about the books, but on J.K. Rowling's official site under F.A.Q about the books if you page through you'll find this question and answer:

About his being a dueling club master, I don't recall one way or the other, but as to being IN Ravenclaw while attending as a student, I also found this on J.K. Rowlings Offical Site under the Book F.A.Q.

I need to re-read further myself, but I could have swore it was mentioned in the books that Pettigrew was in Gryffindor (not saying that I'm wrong of course...) I'll endeavor to look into it closer, and find a page number if I can!

Not that it's terribly important one way or the other... Eh

Right then, back to the regulaly scheduled topic.

Hero-worshipped Black and Potter," said Professor McGonagall. "Never
quite in their league, talent-wise
"Pettigrew... that fat little boy who was always tagging around after
them at Hogwarts?"
Black and Potter. Ringleaders
of their little gang. Both very bright, of course -- exceptionally
bright, in fact
, I had friends, three great friends.
Sirius Black... Peter Pettigrew... and, of course, your father, Harry --
James Potter."

"Now, my three friends could hardly fail to notice that I disappeared
once a month. I made up all sorts of stories. I told them my mother was
ill, and that I had to go home to see her... I was terrified they would
desert me the moment they found out what I was. But of course, they,
like you, Hermione, worked out the truth...."

and they used to go out once every month......... i think that shows that peter was too close..... he had to be in Gryffindor....... why else could they share so much with him

Yes, Peter must have been in Griffindor. But aside from the question of why he was in Griffindor, I also wonder why the other three were so fond of having him in their group? Maybe they felt that they needed him as sort of a "court jester". Or maybe he was different back then. We don't have much evidence to go on.

Nikhil, I forget who declared you "Cheif Investigator", but you really do deserve the title. ;)

:blush: .....Investigator ^_^ ......but 'cheif' investigator...... :huh: ???........ ........i didnt knew that..... but i sure do feel :) .......like percy feels about his badge :wub:
alright....... i think hermione was put into Gryffindor because.....
altthough she is very clever and cunning....... and does not want to be caught in trouble..... she chooses to do something about the problems rather than leaving them to others...... she is very helpful....
there are a lot of clever people who know a lot, know what to do but dont....... cause its a risk and its not their problem...... look at spew for example.....she saw injustice and she knew whats right and she was brave to face ridicule to what she believed in.......... even if harry and ron were not very supportive.

No one has been very supportive of SPEW, not even the elves (except maybe Dobby). But Hermione definately has the courage of her convictions, and she carries on anyway. She's not afraid to act, although unlike Harry and Ron, she usually stops to think before she charges into something.

I agree entierly on Hermoine, though I have to say that on a temper she doesn't always think things through so well. Though she throws a nice punch ;)

Back on Peter.... he couldn't have been all cowardly. Even if they did have to help him along to become animagus, it still took alot of bravery to even want to go through the effort just to go roaming once a month with a werewolf. Yes, I realize in animal form the wolf was less threatening, but I'm sure a Rat still had some definate risks he was taking being in the vicinity of anything with theeth that big.

OT:
Yes, Nikhil really does dig up some fantastic facts :snoop:, I haven't even been here long and am impressed by that ^_^

Peter cut off his own finger in order to frame Sirius, and it must have taken a bit of nerve to think up that plan and carry it out. Or maybe he was just desparate.

And then Peter had to cut off his entire hand for the Dark Lord! They cleaned up that scene a lot for the movie, but in the book the bleeding and moaning goes on for several pages. In the movie, he just sort of slices his hand off neatly (probably so as not to scare the living daylights out of littlest kids in the audience; I can just see them saying, "Hey, we're not filming Texas Chain-Saw Massacre here!").

But I don't think that means that Peter is brave. He was just desparate to save his own skin, and he was willing to sacrifice a finger, a hand, and of course Sirius and the Potters, to do it. Those don't seem like Griffindor moves to me!

And yes, Hermione doesn't always think things through too well, but at least she tries (most of the time).

I agree, Peter has managed some very nervy things indeed strictly to save himself.

But how was learning to become animagus a course for saving himself? True, it could have been his way to continue to fit in, but I think it required some thought of others, some thought of Lupin to want to actually follow through and join the marauders on thier monthly romps. He didn't do it for his own saftey.

Maybe, before the boy found the influence of his dark lord, he really did care for his friends. I dunno.

"Your Lordship is still determined, then?" Wormtail said quietly.

"Certainly I am determined, Wormtail." There was a note of menace in the cold voice now.

A slight pause followed -- and the Wormtail spoke, the words tumbling from him in a rush, as though he was forcing himself to say this before he lost his nerve.

"It could be done without Harry Potter, My Lord."

Another pause, more protracted, and then - "Without Harry Potter?" breathed the second voice softly. "I see..."

"My Lord, I do not say this out of concern for the boy!" said Wormtail, his voice rising squeakily. "The boy is nothing to me, nothing at all! It is merely that if we were to use another witch or wizard -- any wizard -- the thing could be done so much more quickly! If you allowed me to leave you for a short while -- you know that I can disguise myself most effectively -- I could be back here in as little as two days with a suitable person --"

"I could use another wizard," said the cold voice softly, "that is true..."

"My Lord, it makes sense," said Wormtail, sounding thoroughly relieved now. "Laying hands on Harry Potter would be so difficult, he is so well protected --"

"And so you volunteer to go and fetch me a substitute? I wonder...perhaps the task of nursing me has become wearisome for you, Wormtail? Could this suggestion of abandoning the plan be nothing more than an attempt to desert me?"

"My Lord! I -- I have no wish to leave you, none at all --"

"Do not lie to me!" hissed the second voice. "I can always tell, Wormtail! You are regretting that you ever returned to me. I revolt you. I see you flinch when you look at me, feel you shudder when you touch me..."

from gof beginning

is this a sort of proof that peter remembers who saved him and was trying to return back the favour

OT: Nikhil...Your really just full of quotes...

BOT:It did say somewhere that Pettigrew was in Gryffindor...i think it was eithier that he knew he would be in another house than his friends so he begged the sorting hat...Or...He threatened it....Although...He probubly was scared of it because it talked...

OT: Nikhil...JKR would be proud of you...((MY NAME IS NIK!!!))

what is OT: and BOT: ???
and do you think that peter was trying to return the favour to harry ....
he did seem to try to make voldy use someone else in gof...

(OT is off topic, and BOT is back on topic. I googled "internet abbreviations" because I can't remember them either).

It's not clear whether Peter is trying to repay the favor, or just trying to take the easy way out. JKR is really good at leaving scenes like that open to more than one interpretation!

(thanks.... i never got the idea to search the biggest bin.... i mean to say it ina +ve way)


I think that there seemed to be some amount of genuineness in what wormtail said.... i mean to say that jkr's writing ....atleast to me hinted that... in my view.... and also voldemort said that wormtail was lying.

(you could also use OoC, Out of Context, and BiC, Back in Context)

I haven't a clue why Wormtail was in Gryffindor. Maybe he was never truly evil, just a "scardey rat". He only does what Voldemort wants because he doesn't want to get killed. (I totally think he's evil that's just a possibility)