i decided to start this thread cause, well, we really don't know, do we? there are those voices behind the veil...

and also because PoB posted a theory in the "introduction of sirius black" thread.

so what are your thoughts? is he dead? or maybe just in another "place"? is there a way to get him back or contact him?

just real quick i wanna say that unfortunitly i believe that he really is dead....but we will hear from him again.

I'd say no, not really. I think JK said that we haven't seen the last of Sirius, but I think she's talking about his ghost or something.

I was really mad when she killed him off cuz to me, it seemed like a wasted death, I dunno. Almost as if she killed him, just to be killing him off. Harry doesn't have ANY family and then when he does get some, she kills him off. No no.

Plus, it's more like in soap operas when a character is presumed dead. I think this goes for Sirius as well.. He went behind the veil and that was it. There as no body and I'd like to think that he's still out there.

I thought that might have been the reason you might have posted this thread. However I too believe he is dead. After reviewing my info, I got two different viels confused, and thus believe he's dead. More sorrow to add to HP life, so that the reader can feal sorry for him i guess.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but I can't really feel sorry for Harry a lot of the time. . . because you're expected to ALWAYS feel sorry for him. And I only have so much sympathy! :P

I'd like to think Sirius wasnt dead, but I know he is. It's sad because he and Harry were pretty close. But, I do think Harry will have contact with Sirius again somehow.

There is more to the veil than we know though and I think JK still has some more explaining to do about it.

i think one of the things that bothers us (at least me) the most about his death - besides the fact that he was a great person, good friend and harry's godfather- is that he just disappeared! there was no blood, no dead body, no funeral or what you might expect when a person dies.

on Jo's Site under FAQ JK answered a fan's question: "why did harry have to forget about the mirror?"

her answer was:

now do you think this mirror might help them get in contact? i'm not sure...i think it might play a part. (it could be there for something totally different :unsure: . maybe kreacher stole the mirror and gave it to the Malfoy's??)

i'm ruling the "ghost" theory out because of what nearly headless nick said at the end of OotP.

i'm not sure about the "picture" theory (that sirius might talk in his paintings like so many others do) cause jk said something on her site that you could take either way. i'll have to post it some other time cause it's really long. :)


the only other thing i can think of is in a dream or vision....but we've already had a lot of dream/vision stuff in the last book. of course there might be more cause harry never did learn occlumency right....but will this help him get in contact with his godfather? they do not have a connection like he and voldemort have.

i believe i read somewhere that we will hear from sirius again. but how? if he's dead? and not a ghost?

This is one of my favorite topics. Although I always feel a little torn. I do not believe that we've seen the last of Sirius. I'm not sure how he will be coming back...if it will be through the mirror, or a dream...or some way we don't know of yet. But here is my reasoning. First off, his death was very mysterious. We know next to nothing about the veil, not to mention his death took place in the Department of Mysteries, need I say more? ;)

Second, we weren't given much time with his character. We spent the majority of the 3rd book thinking he was an insane killer, then once we finally realized we loved him, we were on to the fourth book, in which we didn't see too much of him. So, we finally get to spend some quality time with him in the 5th book...and then...he's gone. It just doesn't seem right.

I really do think that Sirius is dead. But I do think we will see our favorite dog in Harry's dreams

How do u kno? And I'm sure he'll be back! I 'mean wat, she only brings in a characterr for like 2.5 books!

like i said in my earlier thread i wanted to post jk's quote on the talking pictures. again, it's a quote directly from her site. she answered this question at the edinburgh book festival:

question:

i dunno, i guess i don't think we'll see Sirius as a painting. the quote was about harry's parents, but it could apply to Sirius as well. then again, sirius' "catchphrases" wouldn't be so outdated, cause he just died recently. but nah....i don't see him coming back in a painting.


just had another idea!
wouldn't it be smart for harry to keep a pensive, too? to keep thoughts away from voldemort? remember how DD questioned his pensive after harry had the dream about arthur being attacked? he asked like "yes, yes. but in essence divided?" (which btw i think was something important!) and then the snakes that rose out of the pensive kinda seperated or something.nah never mind. but i'll leave this thought mainly cause i typed it and cause i thought it was brilliant at first :P i thought maybe harry could see sirius in his pensive (like trewlaney in DD's) and get some hints from him..... :unsure:

I don't really know... it does seem like a wasted death... and I read in a Half Blood Prince Thread that J.K. said that something good was going to happen to Harry... maybe Sirius will come back and Harry can go and stay with him... It is seriously about time that something good thats permanent happens to Harry!

Well, i don't know but i hope some strange miricle will bring him back, sirus is an awsome character. Harry definatly wishes he hadn't died

i dont want to believe it, but I do think he is dead. i wish she wouldnt have just killed him off like that, it really stinks.

I think he MIGHT some back. Maybe he communicates with Harry somehow. :blink:

I hope that's not the last of Sirus. He's such a cool character, maybe harry will be able to talk to him again, somehow, i hope so. Sirus will be a well missed charactor in the next book. I really hope that jk rowling brings him back. :(

Sirius was So awesome! I hope she'll bring him back somehow! I can't wait til the 6th book comes out!!!

SIRIUS DID NOT DIE
HE WAS HIT WITH A RED JET OF LIGHT (A STUNNER)
HE WAS STUNNED
AND I KNOW HE DISSAPPEARED BEHIND THE VIEL
BUT WHO KNOWS
MAYBE THE VIEL WAS A PORTAL TO ANOTHER DEMENTION
THE POINT IS HE DID NOT DIE :blink:

Good point there! However you're not supposed to write in ALL CAPS!
Anyway, wat if the "killing curse" is red sometimes?

sorry :unsure:
i think they are consistant in color :(

I think the spells are definately consistant in color. I personally have never doubted the fact that if Sirius is dead - it was not the actual spell that killed him. The spell is what knocked him into the veil. So I guess thats one of my points as well, Sirius' cause of death is an artifact that we know nothing about. We don't know what the veil really does - therefore its hard to make predictions about it. And the small bits of info we have on it come partly from Luna. If we are to go by what she says, there is even more reason to hope. She mentions that those behind the veil are merely "hiding," thats why Harry could hear their voices.

In all honesty, I'm not quite sure what I believe. Because there is also the DD factor - he states that Sirius is certainly dead - and I have a tendency to believe everything that DD says. lol - but I honestly think that we will "see" Sirius again. Whether its in a dream, a crazy wand connection, or something else. Even if he doesn't come back in human form, I don't think theres any reason to believe we won't hear from that guy again.

Whoa! How come you're not in Ravenclaw? You're really smart! (in my world)
Anyway, I wonder if it is possible to just go up to the veil, and talk to the voices inside. Theen Harry could easily keep in touch with Sirius! :P

Thanks hun! You always make me smile! :)

Nice idea though - although its prolly not that easy, nothing in the HP world ever seems to be! :P Plus, Harry would have to find a way to sneak into the Department of Mysteries all the time - he's clever, but prolly not that clever. ;)

:jumpsmile: *bouncy*

God, i hope sirius isnt dead! i cried when i read book 5. if he is, i think that he will be there in one way or another.

:) you don't know how great it is to have another sirius-obsessed person like myself here on this board!! :jumpsmile:

i was wondering....do any of you have some quotes from JK herself specifically on sirius' death? and if any of you happen to see one somewhere could you post it here? pleeeeaaase :D ?

i wonder if it could be as easy as talking to sirius through the veil. sure, harry would have to sneak in again, but unless they've changed security there, it shouldn't be terribly hard with arthur's connections, fudge's mess up and harry's invisibility cloak. there's probably gonna be a bit of chaos at the ministry for a little while. and maybe sirius' death will change harry's carrier plans.....maybe it makes him want to be an unspeakable? but that's for a different thread. just wanted to throw that ou there in reply to li's post :)

I understand what you're saying - and I suppose it could work. Its just one of those ideas that seems too easy...ya know? Not much in the land of HP usually ends up being easy - JK is just too original for that! But as for a career change, thats an interesting thought? Although, he might want to vanquish death eaters all the more now!

oh i don’t know bout taking everything from DD as gospel i
mean he does conceal stuff - he hides stuff JK even said he
has other plans and he didnt tell hwarry the whole truth.
and i thought the spell that hit sirius was green!!!! i’ll check
that!
I think there's deffo a way of making contact - prob another one of those 'obscure' branches of magic- channelling the dead! come on - makes sense!!!
:wizard:

Ok, I'm confused. Everyone I've ever talked to and everything in the book said that Sirius was dead, for sure. Someone please helpun-confuse me!

Well some people don't think that Sirius is really dead. Because we didn't see him die, he just fell threw the vail.


But IMO I do think he's dead. But I do think we will hear from him again, most likely by a dream of some kind.

I think that he's really dead too. . . whether or not we will see or hear from him again. . . I think that it's definitely likely that we will. At least I hope so anyways, cause I loved Sirius too!! :)

I think deep down everyone knows he's dead, but they want to believe he's alive. (If you get me.) :(

Oh I definitely get you, and I agree wholeheartedly!! :(

I just don't want to make any rash decisions on his part. Mainly because I have no clue how we will be hearing from Sirius again - I just think that we will! So, who's to say that the way JK decides to bring us Sirius' message won't have something to do with his not really being dead.

i think i get wat ur saying. it makes sense. i think sirius is goin 2 come bak eventually becuz sirius just went behind the veil like harry said. he heard voices behind the veil so maybe that will hav some importance in future books? who knows? im just guessin!

For the funeral thing, well, then the ministry would have made a big event of it, so i guesse they decided not too. I hope harry gets to see sirus again, its really to bad, he loses his last wizard family, in a sence that if black wasn't considered a murdurer, then harry would probably have went to live with him after his first year at hogwarts. Only after his first year, because dumbledor didn't want him to know he was famous, until he was ready.

He's so going to be back...

If he's not back, then he'll totally be heard more of, there has to be something more to him...

listern he's dead ok he wont come back but u never know i could be wrong but u all gotta prove me wrong in the next book

I don't think he's DEAD dead, ya know what I mean? He might be dead, but he might not like stay dead in the book itself. I mean like we're definitely gonna hear about him and stuff, so if you still remember and think and talk about someone, they're not 100% dead are they??? :unsure: Did I make any sense whatesoever there?? :unsure:

Not really...
Well, i don't think he really is DEAD, unless the veil kills people. Like his soul is still there, just materialy he's GONE! But, we've gotta hear from him, just because he's that type of character who doesn't just die and thy're done. do uu get me?

i also think he's dead :(. like in the sense of never returning in flesh and blood. yeah, i agree, we'll hear from him again....i can't wait to find out how, and it's gonna make me happy temporarily, but it'll probably be even sadder when we get told he's really really gone - again.

i wish he didn't have to die, but now that he is dead it wouldn't be good for the story to make him "magically" (lol) come back to live again......unless there's a totally great way that JK pulls it off. we know she could, but i have this feeling the story would be a better one without bringing poeple back from the dead. i hope y'all get what i mean.....it's not that i wouldn't love for him to come back! he is my absolute favourite character...just what's done is done and to make it undone could turn out kinda cheesy :(. if there is a way in which he would be able to come back in a way that totally makes sense he has to come back!!

i'm sure JK used that green spell on purpose. we were supposed to know that the spell didn't kill him. just does falling through the veil actually kill you? i can't quite believe that either. i guess i mainly believe he really is dead cause if JK hasn't said so directly she has hinted at it enough i think. when it's about Sirius her quotes are not very hopeful :(

i think he's dead unless the next book proves me wrong then i think he will not come back