Not sure where Debate #1 went but here's the second one! Got this idea from my good friend!

So let's get started!

Now personally, I'm thinking that there will be little payoff. My first problem with Book 6 is that it was slightly predictable. When JK killed off Sirius, I saw what she was thinking in the sense that she had to kill off people who were close to Harry and would ultimately help him defeat Voldey, I suspected that Dumbledore would be next, but I think his death was too forced. He died with too many unanswered questions for me.


NOTE: Let's get some good discussion going here, so make sure to state your opinion firmly and if you can, back it up with some events from the books. ;)

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personally, i think that we won't be able to fully understand what JK is thinking until she actually puts it on paper. i don't particularly think that it was a perdictable book, but perhaps too much. perhaps killing off dumbledore was too soon, and not liked by many, but i must admit, snape killing him was a shock.

and honestly, i still think that sirius will eventually contact harry, not sure how, but somehow, because sirius is the only real family he had left besides the dursley's and lord knows what a treat they were.

Snape killing Albus was definetly a shock for me...I remeber re-reading the Avada Kedavra line about 3 times even though all it basiclly says is Avad Kedavra. I think I was trying to find a loop whole to this ...problem. Though Dumbledores death was no shock...I think eveyone knew it had to happen at some point in time. I guess that was just the time.

I doubt JK has set herself up here...she has said herself that the 7th book is basiclly the second half to HBP. So I get the feeling that the story has only just started to begin and that there is a lot more behind Snape killing DD then 'I don't like you anymore DIE DIE'. DD was an extreamly smart man...foolish sometimes but very smart...I doubt that Snape feeling sorry about Harry's parents was the real reason why he trusted Snape and I would def. like to know why he and Snape were fighting. What exactly was it that Snape couldn't do?

So no I don't think JK has set hersefl up for a fall.

The whole Snape killing Dumbledore was also a HUGE shock for me.I re-read that line about 5 times,then i kept going back to it to make sure I didnt read it incorrectly.
I still think that Snape was only obaying DD's orders.DD iwas a strong,powerful and clever wizard,but without Snape,he wouldnt have been all that,thats why he probably tld Snape that he must kill him (him being DD),to save his(Snape) life,then he must do that.
That was why Snape told that Death-Eater not to kill Harry while they were escaping,because he didnt actually want to kill DD,but wants to kill Voldy.
Snape also probably killed DD to save Draco's life,Reason;Doesnt DD value his students lives more than his own?
Anyway,i still think that Snape and Draco are gonna help Harry defeat Voldy!

To answer the actual question 'Has JK set herself up for a fall?'...My answer is no,she's not stupid,she'll want to make this book last because she's put everything into making Harry Potter,she wouldnt just have some blunt ending.

okay snape killing dd was predicatble i knew that was gonna happen because since jk killed siris i also like proferssor roge belive that she wil be killing more people closer to harry and snape i always thought that he was a 2 adjent always gonig to the winning side(voldie) or to the side that was more useful to him(he could have gone looking for voldie after downfall). i really don't think that snape would want to kill voldie because i guess he is just a person that will hang wuth someone that is powerful at that time. like when they statred to round up death eaters he was on dd side because dd protected him form going to azkaban and i don't really know why he killed dd maybe because he was told to?

The U breakable vow would by why with ur theory afi...if he didnt (coz I highly doubt Malfoy could get the nerve up) he would end up kickin the bucket :P

Both of you make sense.Ok,now my ideas and theory's are gonna be changing quite a bit,cause im reading FanFics,so i get confused with the personaltie of Snape,so dont mind me if my theory is ever-changing!

DAMN FANFIC...I was like that before HBP came out...I got sick of waiting and read a poop load of fanfic

Yeah.
You must see this one SS/HG humour FanFic!Its super funny!Ive just forgotton where i found it...Hmmm...

Ive read a few funny ones about them two....tho my fav eva fanfic was one about if you say Voldies name 3 times he appears....Ron was going all funny about it so Hermione said his name three times and so Voldie appear looking very wet holding nothing but a scrubbing brush. he had been having a shower. it was teh good...:)

Anyway...maybe we should take this discussion else where before we get growled at :P

Ah,who cares?!Where did you find this fanfic Shonk?Do you know of any others?
Mwahaha!!!
Oh,and besides,the Mods cant shout at us cause we need more opinions to carry on discussing the topic.

Dont thinks so nope :)

oh merlin i love your siggy it is tooo good. anyways there are a lot of opions out there and i think that every part of are opinos are right like every lil part.

I found it at Fiction Alley but havn't been able to find it again *sniff* If you find it can you send me the link.

Anyway...This debate doesn't seem to be going anywhere coz no one here has popped up and disagreed yet *mutters* Mebbe I should pretend so you guys can debate back Tee Hee

umm well i have nothing to disagree on i think we are right in our own lil ways

Okay, first of all you guys should try to stay on topic.

I don't think that JK has set herself up for a fall. Infact, I highly doubt that she''l ever be forgotten. I think that people will remember Harry Potter like they did Lord of the Rings and the Narnia series.

I know I'm going to treasure my Harry Potter books, and read them to my kids (if or when I have any).

yeah, that's my side of the debate... ^_^

What are we talking about again?

Shonk,was that FanFic under 'homour'?

Yeah :mellow:

Kaz we have been trying to stay on topic but it's kinda hard to debate when everyone is on the same side. Everyone is agreeing with each other which kinda defeats the purpose of the thread....next time there is a debate methinks we will have to find a topic that people wont agree on :P

I agree with you Shonk!!!
Anyway,i dunno what i can say about this topic anymore...

yeah, next debate, different topic, more sides
and does anyone have an idea for that next topic?

Yeah,ive got one...
Different couples!!!
Like Hermione/Snape.

Excuse my every-changing ideas and quotes!
Hint:FanFics can be bad!They make you change the way you think about Harry Potter!!!But hey,im still reading them!

umm ideas ummm none but i like that one about snape being on two sides sort of wrong or something else like sirius dying or something like that i really don't care about the topic it is just that it has to be a good one

How about this, it has been suggested by even Dany Radcliffe, that Harry might die when he faces Voldemort. What doy you think, would you have him die with Voldemort to save the day or kill Voldemort and live to tell the tale?

ohh lyla very good one but i don't really think peolple would argue but it really worth a try

Well it's just a thought anyway, hope it gets more consideration :D

For me, I think sometimes that JK has set herself up. She's said that she's been working on Harry Potter for years and if you think about it, I'm sure she has it all planned out and such. If she worked on it for that long. But sometimes I wonder if it all makes really good sense to her. Like I read in one of her interviews or something and she called the Harry and Hermione fans "dislusional" because to her, it's painfully obvious that she's setting up Hermione and Ron. Yet to many readers like myself, I saw something with Harry and Hermione.

Another example, from the Order of Phoenix, I never understood why Voldermorth targeted Harry. She set it up so that this prophecy could either go for Neville or Harry who were born around the same time. But why did Voldermoth choose Harry? As JK explained it, Voldermoth made Harry his eneimie and Voldermoth "chose him" But why? I did not understand this at all and I'm sure to JK, it made perfect sense. But what motivated Voldermoth to "choose" Harry? Did he flip a coin between Neville and Harry and Harry won? Surely there has to be a better reason that provoked Voldermoth to seek out Harry so much.

Well at this point in time, it's kind of hard to say what JK would do. Probably not sense the series follows Harry and is named after him, but JK is known for going against popular demand in an effort to surprise readers. So I wouldn't be surprised if Harry ended up dead while, maybe killing him and Harry off at the same time.

I would think that it would be better if Harry kills Voldemort,but gets seriously injured,and is admitted to St.Mungos for ever.
Harry just comes off alive too much.

I would hate it if Harry died, that matrix like ending would be a serious disappointment for me, I agree with Sardine though, maybe in the fight with Voldemort he could get seriously injured. But not die...

No,I dont think he'll die.JK has killed off 2 main characters already,I dont see her oing for a third.
Thanx for agreeing with me Lyla!

nope well i think harry will die

and proffersor i thik it was because voldie thought that the half blood (harry) would be more of a threat then the pur blood(nevvill)

Think of it this way, if he dies then the story of his live can be summed up like this:

Harry Potter was a boy who's parents were killed when he was a baby, he then was known by the whole wizarding world for killing a villain he never even met nor fought. He is sent to the family of his mother. These people absolutely hate him and have him living worse than a dog. He meets his godfather but is ultimately killed. He is in constant danger. He's only mentor is killed as well. And in his final battle he dies to sve the day.

This ladies and gentlemen is "The Tragedy of Harry Potter" a boy bound to suffer his whole life and die like a dog to save the world...


THAT IS JUST LAME!!!! I won't have it he can't die!.........god I need to lay back and calm myself.... :D

But really it would be this way...if he dies it would be bad....but then it's just my opinion :D ;) :)

i think he will die but voldie 2
and um jkr has not ste herslef for a down fall becaus eshe has been planning this all along

Oh well, but I just refuse to think Harry'll die, I can't really accept him dying

i don't think that harry will die. that would be completely stupid. the 7th book is going to explain all, right? all might mystical being that it is. well, if he dies in this book, she wouldn't be able to do an 8th book, because harry would be dead. duh. and also, it would end any other books she might decide she wanted to do

and reggie, you spelled voldemort voldermoth again! gonna have to break you of that habit! and hufflepuff being spelled huffelpuff!

I want Harry to die but that Is mainly because I am sick of happy endings...though i would also be happy if he went insane or somthing like that :P But I don't think she will make him die or anything. I get the feeling that either Ron or Hermione will end up dieing though...something that will REALLY hit harry hard. Bah Ha Ha....anyway

Reggie...I surgest you read OotP again coz it does explain...(quite clearly to me anyway)...why Voldie chose Harry and not Neville. So yeah def. not set herself up for a fall. It took her 5 years to plan all the Harry Potter books up and I doubt she would end up giving us an ending that we are going to be disappointed in. ^_^

Josh,she isnt going to be making a 8th book!Or has she chnged her mind again?
No,Harry cant die,but he should go insane.

she said she may do one for a charity thing, right? also, plus it makes sense to have harry potter chosen. the neville longbottom series just doesn't have the same ring : )

Neville Longbottom and the Half Blood Prince...
Yeah,you're right Josh,Im used to Harry Potter now.
I hope she does one for Charity!

The 8th book (is she does it) isn't going to be another part of the series its more along the lines of the FB&WTF and The Quidditch one that she did for charity a few years back. Basiclly it's just everything about the wizarding world and bits and bobs that weren't in the books ^_^

darn i was getting my hopes up!!!!

m elike shonk i don't like happy endings they are all dumb
i like sad scornful endings! lol i think it will be better if harry dies but they have an epilge(SP?) in the back! i want eiter
ron/harry/hermmione/ginny to die one of them has!!!!! to die!!!!! lol i have a song form my chemical romance in my head!