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l33t_ninja_thug - April 26, 2007 09:34 PM (GMT)
you knew it was gonna happen...

QUOTE (1up)

Ah, Ken Kutaragi. The father of PlayStation probably hasn't had it easy within the walls of Sony as the company's struggled with PlayStation 3's birthing pains. They shuffled him from Sony Computer Entertainment President to Group CEO last November, right around the launch of Wii, and now he's leaving the company as an executive entirely.

Instead, he's becoming an honorary chairman -- what does that even mean? -- senior technology advisor to Sony CEO Howard Stringer. Clearly, however, he will not exert the same influence on the future of the PlayStation brand he once did. What this means for the ongoing development of PlayStation 4 and PSP 2 is entirely unknown.

"I am happy to graduate from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. after introducing four platforms to the PlayStation family," said Kutaragi. "It has been an exciting experience to change the world of computer entertainment by marrying cutting edge technologies with creative minds from all over the world. I'm looking forward to building on this vision in my next endeavors."

Kazuo Hirai, currently SCE President and Group COO, will be taking Kutaragi's place.

The worst part: no more crazy Kutaragi quotes.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159017


dont worry guys, give me 30 years and i can make this:
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blueboy - April 26, 2007 09:50 PM (GMT)
damn, thought this had already happend. kinda sad.....but ah well, that's life for ya.
i just hope he won't be looked down upon by his higher ups. i heard their culture don't smile too well upon "faults and failures" of individuals like kutaragi.

Dan - April 26, 2007 10:36 PM (GMT)
Not to be fanboyish, but peole say it will fail if he is not doing the work.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 26, 2007 11:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dan @ Apr 26 2007, 02:36 PM)
Not to be fanboyish, but peole say it will fail if he is not doing the work.

i dunno, people say a lot. i think it will depend on what new things will get spat out in the post-Kutaragi sony era. if Harai puts out good, new stuff and plays his cards right, then the move will be a good one. if he does stupid stuff..... well, sony will get F'd more.

just as long as he doesn't say RIIIIIIGE RACERRRRR anymore. or retcon Japan's history to include GAINT CRAB BATTLES!!! >.>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYMxpcYrYZE

blueboy - April 26, 2007 11:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dan @ Apr 26 2007, 02:36 PM)
Not to be fanboyish, but peole say it will fail if he is not doing the work.

one of three essential "benefactors" to the gaming hardware medium.

a) person(s)/company with the vision.
b) product presentation, marketing and third party support to boot.
c) consumer appeal and target audience (will we even buy the freaking thing).

QUOTE (l33t ninja thug)
just as long as he doesn't say RIIIIIIGE RACERRRRR anymore.


"WRONG!!!!" :D

Victorthebattousai - April 27, 2007 05:16 AM (GMT)
This one was pretty obvious. Whoever was in charge of the PS3 project really needs a quick kicking. Few Games+High Price+Little Immediate Graphical Update=Not A Good Marketing Strategy. The man was once brilliant, but with PsP and Ps3, he really lost it.

The biggest problem Sony seems to have right now is a lack of real gaming power. Sure, Psp and Ps3 have better(if not by much in Ps3's case) graphics than the competition, but that doesn't mean much if you only release one really good game every 6 months. PsP has only had a handful of GREAT games, and Ps3, only 1(Resistance). All of their exclusives are going away, and now they have Wii and 360 selling for half the price.

It's really sad to see this happening, but if Sony doesn't do something quick, Ps3 is going the way of Dreamcast. And if they fail after that? Sony will become another Sega. And none of us want that. So maybe this was the best course of action.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 27, 2007 05:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 26 2007, 09:16 PM)
The man was once brilliant, but with PsP and Ps3, he really lost it.

Sure, Psp and Ps3 have better(if not by much in Ps3's case) graphics than the competition, but that doesn't mean much if you only release one really good game every 6 months. PsP has only had a handful of GREAT games

on the PSP stuff, i disagree. the only drawback is what sony is doing with it is not putting more effort into it
and if they market it better


then the psp will do better. sony is just playing their cards horribly; the psp is making sony money:

blueboy - April 27, 2007 06:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (victorthebattosai)
The man was once brilliant, but with PsP and Ps3, he really lost it.


i didn't even know kutaragi had an hand in the PsP's development.

QUOTE (victorthebattosai)
and now they have Wii and 360 selling for half the price.

microsoft's not giving any price reductions any time soon on their x360. i will say the x360's got a better run than its competitor the PS3. as for the Wii, good luck finding one......as this's still the current next-gen product that's hard to keep in stock anywhere including every developer wanting to create games for it.


QUOTE (l33t ninja thug)
on the PSP stuff, i disagree. the only drawback is what sony is doing with it is not putting more effort into it.


agreed. the PsP has more potential than the PS3 does still. sony's still jacking around, and that's not winning over any crowds.

Victorthebattousai - April 27, 2007 10:11 PM (GMT)
Microsoft doesn't have to give price reduction. You can go buy a 360 for a little more than half of what you get a Ps3 for, if you get a Memory card. Yeah, it may be hard to get a Wii, but most players would rather wait with what they have(whatever system it is) than go out and buy a Ps3, just because they couldn't get a Wii immediately. I know I'd rather wait for a Wii, than run out and buy a Wii.

As for PsP, all I know is this, I look at the system, it has a few games that I really like, but I'm not sure about paying $200 for just a few games. I'm sure there are many others like me out there. But, really, at the same time, the DS doesn't have a heck of a lot that looks really good either(Good games, but most are really geared towards younger folks). Sony is still messing up, either way, because there just aren't many great games coming out that often for PsP.

blueboy - April 27, 2007 11:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 02:11 PM)
I know I'd rather wait for a Wii, than run out and buy a Wii.

But, really, at the same time, the DS doesn't have a heck of a lot that looks really good either(Good games, but most are really geared towards younger folks).

a) lets hope that won't be too long down the road. i've a group of friends who are still pissed that they're without one still. i've found myself having to bring mine over on numerous occasions just to satiate their hunger for a wii, lol.

b) OBJECTION!!! :D lol, it felt like the right time for it. i currently own the following for my DS Lite:

Megaman ZX
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Metroid Prime: Pinball
Nanostray
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Justice for All
Scurge: Hive

small assortment, yes (being a gamer's an expensive hobby) yet i don't opt for the "kiddie" stuff. while the DS may be lacking in graphics, their titles and funfactor more than make up for it. i play mine everyday, and am glad to feel a sense of "security" when i'm playing to and from work or anywhere inbetween. if i had a PsP, i'd prolly be held at gunpoint because of what "it is"......a form of profit.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 27, 2007 11:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (blueboy @ Apr 27 2007, 03:17 PM)
b) OBJECTION!!!  :D  lol, it felt like the right time for it.  i currently own the following for my DS Lite:

oh thank you, i have been wanting to post this for a while now. Harvey Birdman, Attourny at Law: THE GAME!!!
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/13/phoeni...harvey-birdman/



QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 02:11 PM)

As for PsP, all I know is this, I look at the system, it has a few games that I really like, but I'm not sure about paying $200 for just a few games. I'm sure there are many others like me out there. But, really, at the same time, the DS doesn't have a heck of a lot that looks really good either(Good games, but most are really geared towards younger folks). Sony is still messing up, either way, because there just aren't many great games coming out that often for PsP.

the PSP is actually 170, the DS is 130 now. a 40 dollar difference, which is big enough for 1 game. but the psp has more features and stronger tech, so the difference is understood. at least i thought it was worth mentioning...

im not gonna lie, but the psp can get more credit than that. i mean, Metacritic and IGN have the psp at having more higher rated games than the psp.
metacritic:
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/01/03/debunk...-no-good-games/

and the same for IGN, with listings of games 8 or above for the DS: http://ds.ign.com/index/reviews.html
  • rating 8 = 48
  • rating 9 = 11
  • rating 10 = 0
  • TOTAL = 59
IGN listings of games 8 or above for the PSP: http://psp.ign.com/index/reviews.html
  • rating 8 = 52
  • rating 9 = 15
  • rating 10 = 0
  • TOTAL = 67

and there are sites that try to prove this, like thepsphasnogames http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/11/fans-d...misconceptions/ (wow, its down due to traffic... dang). but if you want to see a good game comming for the psp that you know anyone will like, here is god of war for the psp: http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/25/free-g...ympus-umd-demo/

i don't want to convert anyone to the psp, i hate forcing change. but i think the psp is just getting dissed too hard for its own good (sony has a good chunk to blame for this). and yea, LNT like the DS too. i love pictochat and the IM features. and i will also agree, the younger games are a turnoff.
And yes, i hate crap games, something Nintendo doesn't have a strong history of. every handheld has its pros and cons; im just trying to bash the anti-psp bias in the gameworld. me, pspfanboy, and GI Joe (lol)




wow, long post....
tl;dr version: PSP iz gud

blueboy - April 27, 2007 11:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (l33t_ninja_thug @ Apr 27 2007, 03:23 PM)
oh thank you, i have been wanting to post this for a while now. Harvey Birdman, Attourny at Law: THE GAME!!!
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/13/phoeni...harvey-birdman/


i don't want to convert anyone to the psp, i hate forcing change. but i think the psp is just getting dissed too hard for its own good (sony has a good chunk to blame for this). and yea, LNT like the DS too. i love pictochat and the IM features. and i will also agree, the younger games are a turnoff.
And yes, i hate crap games, something Nintendo doesn't have a strong history of. every handheld has its pros and cons; im just trying to bash the anti-psp bias in the gameworld. me, pspfanboy, and GI Joe (lol)




wow, long post....
tl;dr version: PSP iz gud

a) can't wait for this either! i absolutely love the "wright" series, an i more than certain "birdman" can meet the hilarious courtroom drama no problem. :D

b) kudos. i don't like bashing other products either, yet if i own one, then i'm free to do so....as anyone else can/does, lol.
case in point: microsoft. i'll usually rant about the faults and/or flaws of the console that many may not agree/aprove of, yet i can.....i'm opinonated to do so. i'm a 25yr old gamer, and i own consoles/handhelds that're over 12yrs old....and still work to this day! to know a current console(s) to have hardware flaws that have been rectified (written on paper only) is like a slap in the face to me.

if i'm paying $XXX amout of dollars for this console, then at least give me the guarantee that i won't have to service it evey 6mos. or so......it'll last me even after i'm dead an gone and my children can plug them in an play still.

as for the PsP, i didn't buy one because i still don't see myself owning a large library of titles that'll keep me comming back for more play time. if i'm not gonna play it frequently, then i won't spend the cash for it.

i say "buy and play what you like, despite what any critics may say or warrant on the system". like LNT stated, everything has its pros and cons, and they're marketed towards different audiences regardless.

oh, an my bad if i went off topic. i wanted to show "microsoft" a little more luv. :D

Victorthebattousai - April 28, 2007 05:34 AM (GMT)
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I have nothing agaisnt the DS's lack of graphical advancement. From what I've seen, it has more quality games(from what I've seen, anyway). And I don't have anything against the PsP, either. I've thought of buying one, once I got a job. I'm just not sure, because of a lack of great games, at least the stuff I usually enjoy(and I haven't played God of War, never will, simply because of the minigame in GoW1). That's why I bought a 360, it just looked like it bridged the gap perfectly, not the best graphics of all(though I still think it's almost as good, maybe tie with Ps3, my buddy has one), but it's price is cheaper, better online, and just more games(DoA, Oblivion, Halo 3 coming, and many others).

Still, there's a slight chance I'll get Ps3, at some time. I keep looking at FFXIII and MGS4 lol. Maybe they will port them to 360.

My point: I'm not some fanboy, and I'm not some basher. All the systems are great, but I think, out of all the companies, Sony really needs to kick things up a notch. Lock down those exclusives, drop the price, enhance online. The Ps3 has already been getting down the road for this stuff, it's time they started fixing it. I've always been a fan of Playstation; it's a system for all ages. But now they're alienating their fans that don't have the cash, for a system that only has a couple of great, EXCLUSIVE games.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 28, 2007 05:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 09:34 PM)
Lock down those exclusives

not lock down those exclusives, but Fort Knox them. they have been losing some big game exclusives to Microsoft.

and if you do get a psp, visit here, or ask me for tips:
http://www.pspfanboy.com/



oh, and the minigame is also in GoW2..... figured id mention that

Victorthebattousai - April 28, 2007 05:46 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I once checked out a book on modding a PsP. All kinds of stuff you can do with it.

As for GoW, why on earth do people have to put these kinds of things in games for? Most of the people I talk don't get some kick out of that sort of thing.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 28, 2007 06:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 09:46 PM)

As for GoW, why on earth do people have to put these kinds of things in games for? Most of the people I talk don't get some kick out of that sort of thing.

well.... s3x sells.


QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 09:46 PM)

Yeah, I once checked out a book on modding a PsP. All kinds of stuff you can do with it.

im sorry, there are books out now?!? :jawdrop:
if you liked teh book, you might like this: http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/19/rippin...g-whats-inside/

Victorthebattousai - April 28, 2007 06:13 AM (GMT)
This is true. But I think the great majority of it is developers, media, trying to shove what THEY like, down everyone else's throats. Just like GoW. I bet the majority of people couldn't care less about having that minigame in, but they put up with it, because they like the rest of the game. Same thing with me, I hate DoA's sexuality, but I love the fighting, so I just use the least suggestive outfits and keep playing. At least, for now, until Itagaki pushes it too far(which may be with the "physics" of DoAX2 being added to DoA5).

I will check it out some time. But, I'm thinking of bed now. Maybe in a couple of minutes.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 28, 2007 06:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 10:13 PM)
This is true. But I think the great majority of it is developers, media, trying to shove what THEY like, down everyone else's throats. Just like GoW. I bet the majority of people couldn't care less about having that minigame in, but they put up with it, because they like the rest of the game.

all it does is give you extra points to upgrade weapons and abilities. so its not important at all

Victorthebattousai - April 28, 2007 06:20 AM (GMT)
Yeah, but according to a guide, you have to do it once.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 28, 2007 06:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 27 2007, 10:20 PM)
Yeah, but according to a guide, you have to do it once.

yes. cause i mean..... come on..... thats just wrong, once is more than enough @_@

Victorthebattousai - April 29, 2007 03:43 AM (GMT)
Anyway, back to topic. I hope Sony can pick up the ball. I'd like to have a Ps3, if they would give me more incentive.

What do you guys think they should fix?

l33t_ninja_thug - April 29, 2007 06:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 28 2007, 07:43 PM)

What do you guys think they should fix?

i want Crush to hurry up and come out for the psp
http://www.pspfanboy.com/category/crush/

i want Sony to get off their a55es and let the PSP get ps1 games directly. you need a ps3 to get the ps1 games and put those on the psp
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/03/29/japan-...more-ps1-games/

sony needs to stop making stoopeed stuff. if i wanted an interactive world where id make an avatar, i would get a wii. OR i would get 2 and me and my sister coudl wireless wii-out. or, i could buy WoW... >.>
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/03/07/gdc-07...aystation-home/

sony needs to stop making suck 4ss ape escape games for the psp
http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/04/13/yet-an...eading-our-way/


GAH!!

Victorthebattousai - April 30, 2007 03:27 AM (GMT)
I don't know, the virtual psp sounds neat lol, but if it's that instead of games, go games.

On Ps3:

Price drop
More games
More exclusives
Better graphics. They're nice now, but from what I saw(a few hours of VS games on Resistance on a demo of Motorstorm) they aren't much, if any, better than 360's. Plus, when I look at in-game Halo 3, and supposed in-game MGS4 and FFXIII, Halo 3 looks just as good.

l33t_ninja_thug - April 30, 2007 03:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 29 2007, 07:27 PM)
Price drop
More games
More exclusives
Better graphics. They're nice now, but from what I saw(a few hours of VS games on Resistance on a demo of Motorstorm) they aren't much, if any, better than 360's. Plus, when I look at in-game Halo 3, and supposed in-game MGS4 and FFXIII, Halo 3 looks just as good.

give the producers a while to work up the game graphics. it takes about a year for games to start using a system's graphics power.

a proce drop probably wont happen untill summer. economics and all....

Victorthebattousai - April 30, 2007 03:40 AM (GMT)
I know about the graphics, but they aren't going to get many gamers over with the promise of "better graphics in a year." Kind of like telling someone "Give me $600, and I'll give you a giant beanstalk in a year!"

blueboy - May 1, 2007 12:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Victorthebattousai @ Apr 28 2007, 07:43 PM)
What do you guys think they should fix?

in all honesty, sony should've really thought things through with the ps3 instead of wanting to 1up the competiton and opting to "fixing their product/production" at a later date/when the time is necessary.

sony already had the loyal fans/fanbase, so waiting to make certain their product met the "medium" would've been a no brainer.

instead, in scenario a we've got a failing console/product that's just barely making ends meet as we speak in virtually all areas......

scenario b's picking up the once "exclusive titles" in a effort to expand their own product and consumer base even further....yet hardware "issues", "which version should i buy", the resurgence of "hot titles" found on the "preowned" shelf in a week or less and the lack of any support from our founding "technology-city japan" keeps their product from "assimilating" that's sacred to us gamers......

and scenario c which, despite what anyone says good or bad is killing both competitors in all local and regional territories and has third party developers wanting a piece of the action for better profit sales.....period.

i won't lie, i'm still a fan of the playstation and what it brand it stands for, just not a huge one like i once was. i really feel like the company let me down as a gamer...and i don't know if i can go back to them with open arms......i know for certain that my wallet won't allow it. :rofl:

graphics-wise, ps3 and x360 are virtually neck and neck. it's the other would-be necessities per console that matter (exclusives are one crucial aspect of). eye-popping and jaw-dropping visuals are only one aspect of a game. gameplay is what ultimately "makes or breaks" the title.

we've classics, cult favs, one-hit wonders, sequals, trilogies, sagas, original ip's and timeless epics. some are good while others aren't, yet titles that fall under any of these listed (an any i forgot to add) are what make for your console purchases or ownership of in the first place.

"keeping up with the times" is so strange......as you're just wasting money on something you'll trade in within the next 5 years or less for the next best thing. right now still, there just aren't enough titles that makes me want to proudly say "i own a ps3 and won't sell it for anything". as for the psp, maybe in "08"......just not yet.

l33t_ninja_thug - May 3, 2007 05:02 AM (GMT)
blueboy, that was the I Have a Sony Dream speech.

blueboy - May 4, 2007 06:19 PM (GMT)
either that or the "i wish sony would've....." speech.

Pixel - June 21, 2007 08:22 AM (GMT)
Just as I was thinking of starting a next gen console wars type thread, I come along
and find this "will almost inevitably become that topic" one. I guess that just shows
when an idea is a good one.

:dancebaby:

Back to the quasi-topic. While of course I can't say for sure what Sony was thinking
when they released the PS3, I believe my conclusions are at least plausible, if not
well-founded.

I think they miscalculated how much the draw of theoretical horsepower and brand
would pull a larger audience. Sure Mr. J. Moneybags Techhead will buy one to go with
that 52" plasma HDTV and THX certified theater on a wall.

Here on the planet Reality however, many people are busy just trying to cope with
$3 a gallon gas and other inflation. Sure they can still splurge once in awhile, but
$600 for a game console just isn't feasible.

I also believe Sony thought that since the PS2 was helped out by it's ability to
playback DVD movies, the PS3 would also gain a boost from Blu-Ray.

There's one problem with that. DVD's predecessor VHS was near 20 years old by the
time DVD movies were first being published. Many saw DVD as an obvious step up,
and since the improvements to video on DVD could easily be seen on any decent
CRT SDTV, the benefits of DVD were widely accessible.

Blu-Ray is different however. While one would assume you could use a Blu-Ray
player with an SDTV, there's not much reason to believe it would look significantly
better than a DVD of the same movie. To see any benefit, one would have to shell
out even more money for an HDTV if they didn't have one.

Personally, I haven't seen that many HDTV's that I thought were as many times
better than a good CRT SDTV as they were priced relative to it.

I think the first domino tipped was when "$599 US Dollars" echoed out of the
PA system that year at E3. Had Sony simply left Blu-Ray out and found a way to sell
the PS3 for $300 or maybe even $400, I feel sure it would be a whole different ball
game for them.

Notice I have not actually downed the PS3 itself. I don't own one, and I've never
played one, so I can't say if it's good or bad. I just think expensive decisions in
it's design have made the price of admission too high, for too many people.

The PS3 may succeed yet. If it fails though, IMO it all goes back to the initial price
tag.




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