Due to my playing Tekken 5 extensibly, I've gotten sucked into the whole tiers thing. So my question is, how are the characters ranked here? Bass=low tier? Kasumi=top tier? If you can, can you list them in Top - High - Mid - Low tier order, pretty please? :D

It all depends on what game.

Which game?

Ah, yes, of course. SORRY. >_<

Both 2U and 3, if possible. :yes:

I myself don't really go by tiers, but it's nice to know....


For DOAU, I think it's like this: Top tier goes to both Ryu And Ein for obvious reasons. It is still undecided. In the middle, you got Gen-Fu in 3rd, Kasumi in 4th and I think Ayane in 5th. Bass and Tina are near the bottom, while Leon and Bayman are at the very bottom.



In DOA3, Bass is the top tier character, mainly cause of his ground pick-up move which gives him an insane amount of frame advantage. When near a wall this creats an unbreakable death combo. Nice. Hayate is 2nd for his unholdable mid kicks, an increadible 2-in-1 that comes with frame advantage, a lot of other moves that comes with frame advantage and GREAT use of the wall. Gen-Fu is 3rd again for about the same reasons. Ryu ended up in 4th, due to the fact that he was knocked down a few knoches.....for some unknown reason. Kasumi and everyone else pretty much moved up and down the list a few times, but no real difference.



I would advise that you go to doacentral.com for more info on this, it's been a while since I've been there.


~M_D~ Tiers? Pheh! LOL! ^^

I have thought about this actually and I think you only have a few that are really better then the rest meaning Kasumi, Ayane, Hayate and Ryu

I believe the rest could and should be at around the same level

Crap, Bayman and Leon bottom tier?! Blowz. Can you tell me why they rank so badly?

Huh????
Xcuz, I don't understand :pinch:... the characteres are ranked???? O_o
It's a personal ranking, no?

No, no. They aren't ranked. They're set up in tiers. Tiers basically show how their moves stack up against the other characters. For instance, Ein is high tier because his character has a lot of priority and is easier to use, while Bayman requires a lot more thought to even be a challenge.

Ok thx :)

Yay for him!!
:rofl: ;)

well it also depends on the player that is using him/her

If someone would say to me that Helena would be difficult to use or that her moves wouldn't be good enough to beat a good Ryu or something, then I'm sure I could prove them wrong :yes:

Helena is a very good fighter :)
It's always difficult when she's the opponent.

Just because a character is low tier doesn't mean that they can't be competition. Tiers have to do with a character's moves list and move properties rather than the player using them.

But if someone would tell me that Helena's move list would be difficult or something I would have to disagree, so how do they make up the Tiers then ??


I mean there are always going to be people that don't agree right ??

All true.... however, I would have to disagree with the last post. This is one of the reasons the tiers exist. Put a good Ryu player and a good Helena player together and the Ryu player would almost always win. Why? Ryu has a truckload more power and speed priority than Helena does, which means he'll literaly break through most of her moves. He has better and more damaging throws than her, better holds, and better launchers. The only real thing Helena has is her strange way of fighting, and some nice mix-ups here and there, but that's about it. Helena also has WAY too many mid attacks, which is easy to predict and hold.


I'm not saying there is a "bad" character, cause all the chars in DOA are well balanced. But some chars are just better. That's no guarantee that they will win, cause both people can usually play the same game as far as tactics, but when a char has a lot of one thing or the other it obviously gives them an edge over those that don't. Simple and annoying, lol.


Brad Wong, for example, was like a better Helana. He had more priority, better launchers, better throws, better holds....you get the idea. LOL!



~M_D~ Funnnn time!!! ^^

But see here is were I don't agree


I always use my mid attacks as an advantage when fighting because people expect so many mid attacks, but a good Helena fighter (being arrogant now lol) can fight ten rounds without even using a single mid attack, difficult, yes, but not impossible

I now agree that this is the reason why Ryu would be a higher tier because he is easier to use

But I don't think that my Helena would lose to a good Ryu simply because he has more power, but I see your point :yes:

Heh, well yes and no to the whole post.

Here's the catch with tiers: to be supreme competition with a low tier fighter, you have to work harder. Now, if you were to say if a Ryu player and a Helena player practiced the same amount and the same way, then yes, the Ryu would always be the victor. Now, if the Helena player was aware of the character's faults, then he/she would work harder to find a play style that'll give anybody competition. That's what makes tiers to fun and to easy to hate at the same time.

I'll use Tekken 5 as for example. One of my top players to use is Asuka, who is a mid-low tier fighter. And then there's Devil Jin, who's pretty much top tier in 5.1. If I were to practice the exact same way with the exact same amount of time as the Devil Jin player, I'd get murdered every time. Since Asuka stacks so low against some characters(in terms of moves and properties), I have to play way harder and exploits weaknesses flawlessly. Just like using grenades to stop a tank; it's possible, but damn hard. So, the best way to play with Asuka is to be completely unpredictable. She has infinite attack strings that can be mixed up, a slow but decent(and unpredictable in the right hands) poke game, a great amount of throws(especially for someone that isn't King or Nina :p) and a plethora a launchers. She also has some decent staple air juggles that take around 55 damage average, plus a hellish wall game that literally chops the opponents life down depending on how they hit the wall and what attacks are used. Now, Devil Jin is supremely fast(EGWF are teh suck -_- ), so to play fully offensive is asking for death. In order to beat a formidable DJ, I'll use her mix ups to the fully, watch for obvious highs that can be reversed, wait for parriable low attacks, etc. in order to win.

This is why a lot of people don't listen to tiers, because they see it as who's can't beat who, which is the wrong way to look at it. Tiers basically show you how easy characters are to use, who requires more concentration to master, etc. Top tier character are, by no means, undefeatable. They just require more work.

Exactly. I wasn't saying that Helena didn't stand a chance, not at all. I have actually been beaten by some good Helena players who made use of pretty much everything. Helena is actually one of the few chars I hate, simply because it's so hard for me to read her moves....which is something I do very well.

In fact, Ryu isn't really top tier because he's easy to use. Ryu is probably one of the harder chars to master. A button masher "Can" play with Ryu, but it will most likely be a very short fight. Ryu is top tier for many reasons, but it's mainly cause he has great power and speed priority over pretty much everyone in the game. Ein is probably the only other one who is blessed in this way (46P, anyone?), which is why he's also top tier.

I myself never really believed in tiers cause I always thought that it ruined the game and pretty much made it impossible for anyone to have fun or even have a drop of originality. How many Ein players are there again? Yeah, lol! ^^


Also, since you know so much about Tekken, perhaps you can tell me Where King rests in the tiers list? I haven't played Tekken for a VERY long time and I'm wondering if he's still any good in T5. XD


~M_D~ My favorite little saying: "Even a novice can defeat a master." True dat, lol

This is the tier listing for DoA3:

01 - :hayate:

02 - :bass:

03 - :genfu:

04 - :hayabusa:

05 - :ayane:

06 - :christie:

07 - :ein:

08 - :leifang:

09 - :kasumi:

10 - :janlee:

11 - :tina:

12 - :hitomi:

13 - :helena:

14 - :zack:

15 - :bradwong:

16 - :leon: & :bayman:

The tier listing depicts the "effective tools" vs the rest of the bunch. Every character has their strenghts and weaknesses, the only aspect that defines the classes are the tools per character. For example, :helena: vs :bass:.
Due to bass being ranked at #2, he has a much more effective arsenal at his disposal between :helena:. Opponents of different skill levels depict the outcome of the match...:helena: CAN beat him, if the :bass: user is a poor combatant. However, if both players are of the same high-level play...:helena: still has a chance against :bass:, only the :bass: player has a GREATER advantage because of his "tools". :helena: has about a 20% chance at beating :bass: head on. His grab range/game is just too much for the diva, leaving all victories won by :helena: a serious reward for the taking.