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Title: We Need To Have Something Like That.
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vins84 - May 12, 2008 12:02 PM (GMT)
I want to say THAT:
user posted image
:D
or thatuser posted image
:ph43r:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyra...tion_techniques
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Because trees are really heavy!
(It is just a suggestion B) )

Another Duck - May 12, 2008 12:46 PM (GMT)
You are aware that you're basically using the trees to lug around the large stone block? Using it for trees would be fairly redundant, and probably take more effort than you get out from it, which is not a good thing about a work-saving idea.

On a semi-related note (which was brought up elsewhere), it actually makes sense to have tons of lumber on your raft without it sinking, if you consider that you'd likely have the lumber floating in the water on its own. Now, unless you're going down a river, it doesn't make sense to be able to pull all that on your own, but that's a slightly different issue. :)

jtgibson - May 12, 2008 06:57 PM (GMT)
Actually, in B.C., the old loggers used to make roads out of logs, then drag other logs across them with ropes -- assuming they couldn't just float them down a river. Because the logs made channels between each other, dragging the other logs was easy. It amounted to:

Drag a pair of logs.
Set those logs into the mud -- lengthwise facing the destination, beside one another.
Drag a pair of logs across the channel between those logs, one at a time.
Set each of those logs into the mud past the first logs, end-to-end with the first logs.
Drag a pair of logs across all of the logs, one at a time.
Set each of those logs into the mud past the other logs.
...
When the last log has been dragged, pick up the very first logs that have been set in the mud, and drag them over the rest, setting them into the mud at the end as usual.
If you drag a log all the way to the destination, just stack it there.

Naturally, as the log chain got longer, they would bring more people so more and more logs could be moved simultaneously over distance (no point in leaving all of that distance unused at once). Since the logs only move in one direction, there were never any traffic collisions to worry about.


By cutting down old-growth trees, you would be able to drag logs over many kilometres with less effort than it would take to load them onto wagons and ship them. Mules would typically be used for the hauling, walking along the sides of the log road.

AbNo - May 12, 2008 09:40 PM (GMT)
That's actually pretty neat, Gibson. :)

n9103 - May 12, 2008 11:17 PM (GMT)
Back to the original purpose, realistically lessing workloads...
Such things generally are less time efficient when there's only one person doing the work.

Should we ever get to the point that you're creating a whole Village with help from NPCs, then that would be far more useful.

Alternatively, should we get to the point that the mobility numbers are more absolute (i.e. someone with 100% moves 100x for each step someone with only 1% moves) then again, that would be far more useful. (but that's a different topic altogether...)


Slightly off-topic: If you're interested in a game that will probably eventually be the most realistic, in terms of game mechanics, then perhaps you should check out Dwarf Fortress?

Paul - May 13, 2008 02:00 AM (GMT)
Speaking of npcs helping you do things, a pretty viable way to implement something like that would be the ability to hire npcs to help you work. You could hire a worker in a village, and as long as he was with you manual labor jobs (like cutting trees and building houses) would take less time, similar to the way the wife makes cooking take less. You could be required to give them food, water, and X value of trade goods per week to work with you. The more workers you hire the faster you get the jobs completed. That way if you wanted to clear cut an island or build a massive house, you could go to the local village and get it accomplished much quicker with a few hired workers.

bobsmyuncle - May 14, 2008 01:02 AM (GMT)
I would like a cart of some kind. I'm in the process of deconstructing a njerp village and using the materials to build my base closer to a water source, and it's time consuming to ferry a small amount at a time. Maybe we could be able to build one and then hitch a cow/horse/reindeer to it and thereby increase carrying capacity.

n9103 - May 14, 2008 01:22 AM (GMT)
you could go buy several pack animals, and load them up...

bobsmyuncle - May 16, 2008 01:57 AM (GMT)
Well, they're of limited use with the weight I'm trying to move. Plus I've been wary of the bug I posted about earlier, where I lose some things on some animals and other animals' inventories get duped. It's just me and my dogs right now with a single bull to carry heavier stuff.




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