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Title: Suggestions To Save TCW
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Silent - June 14, 2004 03:50 AM (GMT)
Anyway, being desperate for help and wanting to save TCW, I conversed with a friend of mine on another board, the Frointer. This friend is a forum eltile, and is a famed guy over there. He was moderator for several games, and I invited him to check out TCW, and come up suggestions. Here is our resulting conversation.

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dood where's my car? says:
Silent: Hello How did you like TCW, a simulation into the dark and dismal future of Europe?
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Well, I guess its not bad lol
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
but it will most likely die very soon.
dood where's my car? says:
I know, I am trying to prevent it
dood where's my car? says:
...btw, where you "A Person"
dood where's my car? says:
who spammed The War Board
dood where's my car? says:
oh, nm.
dood where's my car? says:
Das Kaiser, tell me the high points of TCW, and the low points
dood where's my car? says:
I need to keep some notes and tabs just to make my ego high or low.
dood where's my car? says:

dood where's my car? says:
but also to see if I can futiely improve TCW
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
I think you should first try to READ these books or whatever that this game is based on. You cant run a game without knowing what its about. So I suggest you either scrap it and do something you DO know, or
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
wait until you do know about it and restart it.
dood where's my car? says:
I know, it is strnage
dood where's my car? says:
but TCW has taken off beyond the series
dood where's my car? says:
and I added important events
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Exactly, but then its not really keeping with it anymore, is it? And I think the fact that it IS based on the series is makign a lot of people avoid the game.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
You should make something more simpler.
dood where's my car? says:
Explain.,
dood where's my car? says:
Plus, the game takes place some 50 odds years after the series.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
beyond the point.
dood where's my car? says:
but, still, please explain on this simplicity
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Okay - basically, the game has been running with a restart for AGES now, right?
dood where's my car? says:
it never had a restrat
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
sorry, I meant WITHOUT a restart
dood where's my car? says:
yes.
dood where's my car? says:
Nobody here ever heard of restarts expect me.
dood where's my car? says:
and, remember, there are not just nations, the focus is on players too.
dood where's my car? says:
They would not approve of a restart unless they keep their items they gain in the last round. Therefore, they can never be a true restart in the current mechincis of the game
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Well, people dont usually like joining games that have been going for ages because they dont know what the hell is going on, and dont like to read too much. Its like coming into the middle of a movie youve never seen - no fun.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Then they are stupid.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Restarts are good for everyone. It allows new players to come in, and it allows them to do things different - different events, different attacks, different alliances. Better for everyone.
dood where's my car? says:
I c.
dood where's my car? says:
proberly, you should post this in the Main War
dood where's my car? says:
all these comments
dood where's my car? says:
The fourm administartion might look into it
dood where's my car? says:
I fully support the idea, but it will do a lot of tearing down, and Alteven may get angry
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
They dont know who I am. Hell, I havent even been in the game.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
I might be a Frontier Elite, but on this board, I am nothing.
dood where's my car? says:
I'll post the conversation for u then
dood where's my car? says:
approve?
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Yep, thats fine. Just be sure to explain who I am, otherwise they'll go "WHo the hell does this guy think he is?!?"
dood where's my car? says:
lol
dood where's my car? says:
Since it is being recorded, what else is needed?
dood where's my car? says:
Or is that your only complaint?
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
There needs to be a PROPER Moderational staff. A heirarchy - a Head Mod, an Economics Mod, a Military Mod, and an NPC mod.
dood where's my car? says:
Again, these people never heard of them, expect me.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Well, time you introduce this into the game, boy.
dood where's my car? says:
ic
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Have budgets running, have a proper espionage system, bla bla bla
dood where's my car? says:
there are 4 moderators running 10 gamers...
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Thats the way.
dood where's my car? says:
I never know
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
lol
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
sure you do!
dood where's my car? says:
It sounds wasteful.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
But remember - after the restart, there might be more people willing to join. So youll have 4 moderators for 15 - 30 people.
dood where's my car? says:
ok. I think thats all, right?
dood where's my car? says:
This might revoluntiareze gaming
dood where's my car? says:
NOO!
dood where's my car? says:
I closed out
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
When the game is dying, you need a jumpstart.
dood where's my car? says:
the IM.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
lol.
GiMmE a cAlL iF (U cUd) yOu WaNnA cOmE rOlL (rOlL wIt) wIt Me (Me!) Im OnLy OnE cAlL aWay (If U wAs MaH bAbY!) - Das Kaiser says:
Good oen!


I need the approval of Alteven to change this game into a geopolitical game. But this is promising, and I think only a restart can save TCW. This means everything that happens in the game is earsed, and start over. I think this is a good idea. Any ideas? Please appect.

Silent - June 14, 2004 11:05 PM (GMT)
A restart earses all stats. That is what a restart does. However, in DasKasier's ideas, we would ALL be running nations, not warriors. This means that if we follow DasKasier's ideas, warriors would not exist. We would be generals. Of course, we could be generals who could attack each other, but after the restart, we lose everything but the great memories. :)

There is a second opionion. We can do the HW apporch, (only Altevin and Ben would know what HW is), which is restart often, but always keep stats of the warriors....DasKasier, a veteran in running games, do not agree, however. So, if we are going to approve this suggestions (which we have no other choice since if we don't, we wont get any new members), get ready to run your own empire!

Altevin - June 14, 2004 11:10 PM (GMT)
"more better"?

Ick. A "restart" would help nobody. It might spur existing members to reclaim what was theirs before, but it would attract nobody new, and we would be back to square one. This is already a Geopolitical game, with relations between the empires and wars, and trade in the works. However, TCW is stretched to breaking point due to Benandorf's point-blank refusal to do anything involving work. I suspect he has some kind of "control thing" which is why he won't turn over power to anybody despite his obvious unwillingness to do his modly duties. But it is killing the game. Every day I am forced more and more to consider the possibility that this game has been on borrowed time from the start. We simply cannot hold up the game without benandorf and/or a very large supply of fresh blood.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Gelrog, check your PMs.

Back to my other point. We, the same mods, cannot hold this game up with the same material inddefinately. We need a revolutionary new step, someone who can make this game the best it can be without destroying the existing foundation. We need a new mod.

Silent - June 14, 2004 11:22 PM (GMT)
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.


Which is why I talked to DasKasier. He is an expert in running games. What he is telling me to add new moderators and change the focus of the game. Then again, Altevin, you are right. Changing the foundations will be hard. It is right to say that we need a new modeator, but tell me...where? I think maybe DasKasier might help us out. We do have to erase the Artiemus Flow books-based storyline so Kasier might be able to help us. He is an expert at fourm games and can help us get us succesful.

If we can't get Das Kasier to help us, then what else? We know of no messiah person, and we don't have enough time! TCW is dying.

Desperate times call for desperate mesaures...too desperate.

Benendorf, the true and inactive head mod has given me premission to restart, but not to change the rules.

bloodelfraider - June 15, 2004 12:04 AM (GMT)
I got a suggestion, why dont we just CHANGE THE HEAD MOD <_< ? i dont wanna by a general. the game just wont be the same :unsure: . Alvtion and Gelrog are already generals. I what about the fariys? 2 people are playing fariys (me and alvition). If we became generals we would rule to diff areas. I want to play with frinds as well aganist them. This is my only MMORPG (even if its not really a game). I have a bunch of stratigy games already. You have to consantly add new units, make maps, write rules for cover, etc. I like strat games, but they take alot of constant work.

IT WOULD BE EASYER TO CHANGE HEAD MODS THAN RESTART is my point


BENNEDORF DO WORK OR HAND OFF POWER

Silent - June 15, 2004 10:39 PM (GMT)
DasKasier ran sevarl games, and was an infulencal modeator. He work long and hard and I seen his work. He came up with rulesets, and...he has the most time. DasKasier is a Frointer Elitle on the Frointer Fourm so he is well-resepectd.

My idea is to bring in DasKasier as the head modeator and allow him to do what he think can save TCW. He is our only real hope. If anyone else want to take up the cursed mantleship of modeatrion, speak up, and offer references. DasKasier ran games and had experince. Nobody who appiled does.

According to DasKasier, restarting is better because nobody has to browse through the required data to learn, and it is hard to attract new people. New blood is the lifeline for TCW. A restart is the only thing we can do. Nobody wants to go through a game with much history. If we restart, we can help attract more people. That is why I agure for a restart. There is nothing else to really do.

Silent - June 17, 2004 09:36 PM (GMT)
Well, I give up on TCW. if I contact DasKaiser, he never gets on, I'll tell him to come, but I doubt he will.

Anyway, I formally resign. I belive this game has no future, unless DasKasier take up the throne, or someone more compenemnt does.




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