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espatepeppen - May 19, 2008 12:11 PM (GMT)

IMHO, i disagree with this bishop...Population explosion should be controlled nowadays.

>"Families should not be told to resort to artificial contraceptives to stop population growth and have lesser mouths to feed. They don't understand that the poor have more children because they help in the farm and they will take care of their parents in old age," Aniceto said.

He recommends forced child labor...tsk tsk tsk

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Graft causes hunger--bishop
May 19, 2008 17:22:00
Tonette Orejas
Central Luzon Desk

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO, Philippines -- Graft and corruption in government, not a growing population, is among the reasons why poor Filipinos cannot buy enough rice and other food to eat, San Fernando Archbishop Paciano Aniceto said in a homily here on Sunday.

"It is graft and corruption ... that is causing hunger in many of our families, not the growing population," Aniceto, 71, said in Kapampangan during the Mass for the Feast of the Blessed Trinity.

Aniceto, chair of the family life committee of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, tackled what he called the "crisis" of Filipino families as policymakers and legislators renew calls to arrest the country's population growth in order to avert a rice shortage.

The bishop did not cite specific corruption issues in the Arroyo administration, but said government leaders "must instead exert more institutional policies and political will" to deliver basic social services, ensure the land tenure of farmers, spend more public resources on agricultural production and raise wages.

He called House Bill No. 17 "disastrous," lamenting that it was following the "wrong stand" of the United Nations.

The bill, called the "Reproductive Health, Responsible Parenthood and Population Development Act of 2007," has been pending in the House committee on health since July 2007. Its principal author is Albay Representative Edcel Lagman.

"The proponents say it is for reproductive health and for the freedom of women. When substances poison [the] body of a woman or kill a baby, that is not healthy, that is not freedom. That is death," Aniceto said.

He cited a recent encounter with a woman who confided to him that she bled when she took pills.

"Families should not be told to resort to artificial contraceptives to stop population growth and have lesser mouths to feed. They don't understand that the poor have more children because they help in the farm and they will take care of their parents in old age," Aniceto said.

He said the government's food security program "must not kill families but should focus on giving lands and support for farmers and workers."

A "culture of life" should be the policy adopted amid the tight rice supply and high prices of food, he said.

Lagman had recently said the population growth rate of 2.36 percent "outpaces" the annual growth in rice production of 1.9 percent recorded from 1990 to 2000.

"The country's inordinately huge population growth rate threatens food security and aggravates the looming rice shortage," Lagman said in a statement.

"The politics of rice is a numbers' game -- the number of mouths to feed and the number on the price tag," he said.

The Philippines' population in 2007 was pegged at 88.7 million, and is projected to reach 90.4 million in 2008.

Rafael Mariano, chair of the Kilusang Magbubukid ng Pilipinas (KMP, Peasant Movement of the Philippines) and president of the Anakpawis (Toiling Masses) party-list, said the "rice crisis cannot be solved easily by increased rice importation and by pouring money on agriculture."

In a statement, Mariano warned that the "second wave of the rice crisis will be felt by July and will last for three years" because palay prices are still low and government funds are lost to graft.

Rostan - May 20, 2008 04:18 AM (GMT)
agree...... there are a lot of stupid freacking filipinos nga wala na gani ubra, pamata pa nga pamata.....daw kanami duklun ah...!!! :lol:

Borbor - May 20, 2008 08:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rostan @ May 20 2008, 12:18 PM)
agree...... there are a lot of stupid freacking filipinos nga wala na gani ubra, pamata pa nga pamata.....daw kanami duklun ah...!!! :lol:

sakto gd eh kung di-in pato^ ang mga wla ubra kag wla iniskwelahan amo pa ang damu bata..
tapos mag sagi welga nga gna gutom na sila wla sila maka-un kalulu-uy man ang mga bata piru sala gd sang ila ginikanan na wala common sense *mad

dugangan pa gd sa mga pari da na mahilig man sa pulitika ga kadula respito ko sa ila ah!!



chram - May 20, 2008 09:02 AM (GMT)
Indi sila kabenchmark sa china ah(tag-isa lang bata)....damu di pigado pero daw ka tawhay man lang ka life sang mga pigado diri..wala man gakagutman!!!

Paano magbag-o ang kalakaran sa atun man???


OT
Did you know that most of political leaders here in china are Engineers...even the Prime Minister....someone told me he is a Hydraulic Engineer...

Rostan - May 20, 2008 09:15 AM (GMT)
hmmmmm because engrs are analytical?....

chram - May 21, 2008 12:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rostan @ May 20 2008, 05:15 PM)
hmmmmm because engrs are analytical?....

Dapat Islan ta mga Enhinyero ang mga political leaders ta....subong daw halus abogado!!

Rostan - May 21, 2008 01:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (chram @ May 21 2008, 08:52 AM)
Dapat Islan ta mga Enhinyero ang mga political leaders ta....subong daw halus abogado!!

we still need economist..... like ... :naughty:

ismagel - May 21, 2008 04:13 AM (GMT)

Partly yes, Graft and Corruption.

And For the most part of the problem... were putting a lot of JUNK and STUPID politicians, nga
wala na pasa na policy para sa aton nga Economic Development. Plus pa guid nga
na left behind na ta compare sa iban nga countries.

And I dont think Population Explosion is the Cause of Hunger or Poverty,
I think Its the other way around. Poverty Causes Population Explosion.
For Example Japan. They are economically developed, thats why their Population is shrinking (To the point that it becomes a problem lately).







espatepeppen - May 21, 2008 05:14 AM (GMT)

Maayo pa tuod kun Diktador ang Presidente sg Pinas...ang mga tawo ga-unite dayon whehehe! Pero kun corrupt sya, useless gyapon...e.g. Marcos, una lng ang maayo. Kay nabulag sa kwarta nag law-ay ang iya nga pag manage sg Pinas


How about Cuba? It looks like they are more stable than Pinas... And they are also a Christian nation... :wtf

Rostan - May 21, 2008 05:39 AM (GMT)
Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..

Marcos pa rin!..









la lang. :lol:

espatepeppen - May 21, 2008 06:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ismagel @ May 21 2008, 01:13 PM)

For Example Japan. They are economically developed, thats why their Population is shrinking (To the point that it becomes a problem lately).


I disagree with you bro...

Pinoys and Japanese are very much different level. May disiplina ang Hapon, ang Pinoy ya wala kag tamaran.

hindi sila gusto mag bata ya kay they pamper themselves with all the conveniences can offer them.

besides, legal bala ang abortion dri sa Japan...

ismagel - May 21, 2008 06:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Pinoys and Japanese are very much different level. May disiplina ang Hapon, ang Pinoy ya wala kag tamaran.


- I agree with you bro... But let us give ourself a break... Our Society here in the
Philippines is a way to young compared to the more Developed nations like,

America Takes Centuries to become a great nation,
As well as China, and Japan...

Meron pa tayong pag-asa... hehe

ismagel - May 21, 2008 07:05 AM (GMT)
Hehe...

And I would really disagree on dictatorship... :D

... Theres this documentary on National Geographic about a
Body builder from Cuba... They really have a hard time on eating
meat like Beef and Pork... All they could afford is Fish...

And heard that its only around this time that their government consider their people in Cuba to own cellphones... hehe

So, Way to Go Democracy!... :cheers:

iceman - May 21, 2008 03:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chram @ May 20 2008, 05:02 PM)
Indi sila kabenchmark sa china ah(tag-isa lang bata)....damu di pigado pero daw ka tawhay man lang ka life sang mga pigado diri..wala man gakagutman!!!

Paano magbag-o ang kalakaran sa atun man???


OT
Did you know that most of political leaders here in china are Engineers...even the Prime Minister....someone told me he is a Hydraulic Engineer...

China is huge in terms of population, and they are under the communist rule. Punishment are harsh. May abortion, death penalty by firing squad, no respect for human life...

What I like most, may divorce.... hehehehe. But that is beside the point. Why is China have developed so rapidly? Because Deng Xia Peng opened China for foreign investment. Thru foreign investment may ara technology transfer... and besides labor in china is cheap. Companies are mandated to provide housing and food for their workers, that is why labor is cheap.

There is much food supply in our country. The price is high that is why our poor cannot afford to buy. Its because the farmers spend much to produce, then dugang pa patong when it goes to the market... so the price is getting higher... and besides our farmers don't get that much support from the government. Wala food sufficiency program ang gobyerno ni gloria. They wanted to import because each cheaper and they can get some commissions out of it...

I won't take part of the blame, I have never voted the motherf$%^&r.

espatepeppen - May 22, 2008 02:34 AM (GMT)

One Pinoy trait i hate is tayo ay mahilig sa mga short-cuts kay tamaran.

tsakto ang hambal ni iceman...

They wanted to import because each cheaper and they can get some commissions out of it...

sa LTO naman, gusto nila instant ang lisensya...

sa Quiapo, instant ang diploma...

sa BIR, suhol para maka tipid sg Tax

Ang iban, grabe ang pila nila sa mga Wowowee kay maka instant kwarta...still remember the Ultra incident???

ismagel - May 22, 2008 05:42 AM (GMT)
Aware naman ta sang problema ta... :)

Ang Question na lang... Panu ta solutionan... Kag ano ang solution... *:shrug:
Balo lang ta nga Long term Problem needs a long term solution... =)

We must and need to start somewhere, :huh:

chram - May 22, 2008 06:00 AM (GMT)
I agree to all of you mga amigo!!

Jerim - May 22, 2008 12:58 PM (GMT)
well, iron fist rule ang singapore and they're doing fine... much better than the democratic USA, i suppose.



sucre - May 22, 2008 03:18 PM (GMT)
Some quotes that maybe related in one way or another:

QUOTE
Morality is simply the attitude we adopt to people we personally dislike.


QUOTE
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.


QUOTE
Some people just can't understand that they can't understand what they can't understand.


QUOTE
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.


:smoke

ismagel - May 22, 2008 11:04 PM (GMT)
Just in case na we will undergo reforms in our society...

Can we please implement seriously the Quote in our constitution:

"Separation of the Church and the State..."...

Everytime there is a National Issue, The Catholic church will always have something to say!...(Catholic Bishop Conference of the Philippines)

Sometimes I doubt kung may ma bulig bala sila sa problema ta, or dugang lang...

The KG - May 23, 2008 08:55 AM (GMT)
this is an invalid argument which appeals to false cause...daw paryo lang ni gahambal ka para mag damo engineers sa pilipinas, aton dapat pagamyan ang passing mark sang board exams...hehehehe...

ang cause sang gutom sa Pinas ang wowowee...nyahaha

Borbor - May 23, 2008 11:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jerim @ May 22 2008, 08:58 PM)
well, iron fist rule ang singapore and they're doing fine... much better than the democratic USA, i suppose.

i hope makita kita leader na maka implement sini nga stlye
not realy at the point of dictatorship.

baskug lng gd dapat ng pag patupad sang rules!! tig-a ulo da-an ang mga pinoy.
parehas sang family planning this a big factor nga ga apekto sa poverty kag hunger
apply nyo ang rules sang economics.

damo demand less ang resources = hunger

About sa CBCP = showbiz na sla...




*mad




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