Do current students in TUPV have UNIX/LINUX included on the computer classes?

If no, I highly recommend it because it would be very advantageous for graduates when looking for their fist jobs.

I dont know however, to which body or proper forum in TUPV should it be raised.

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I heard from a friend that TUPV have switched to Ubuntu Linux but reverted back M$...

Sang tiyempo nga sako dakpanay sg pirated OS

pirated ang ginagamit sa computer lab sng tupv mig?...

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@sucre, as a computer tech student sang tupv before, we had some overview of the OS. pati linux intra man. but that was just overview, way gid kami kadelve down deeper sa OS. thats actually a very bright suggestion which in fact is already in the minds of the trainos themselves. a problem is adding it to the curent curriculum. in my time sa tupv, we just have 2 years sa computer tech. kulang pa gid ang curriculum para sa akon. dapat may ara gid OS subjects like microsoft and linux, kung pwede pa gid macOS galing wala ta apple hardware.

one of my "handums" in life is to go back to tupv and be a trainor myself sa computer tech department. gusto ko makashare sa akon nabal-an di sa industry. by the way, tupv computer tech curriculum is already out-of-date para sa akon. way na sila gani nagtudlo .NET framework sa amon at our time. the programming languages taught by tupv is somewhat phased out na. VB6 for example, microsoft does not support it now since they already released VB 2008. VB6 is already more than a decade old.

agree!!

nami gid taneh kung may background ang tupv grads naton on linux and unix os..

kay sbng.. damo companies in need of IT personnel nga knows linux and unix.. even mac...

not all companies gasalig sa mswin...

nami guid tani eh. galing ti kamahal man kun kada tuig mag-update ang tup-v sa mga bag-o nga M$ development softwares. amon to gani sang una turbo basic, worperfect kag dbase III ok na. kun linux kag unix pedi na siguro kay libre man na ma download kag magamit tapos may baskug nga maestro ok na.

may mga development tools na ang microsoft nga libre kun tawagon nila "Express Editions". may ara na visual studio 2008 express edition kag sql server 2008 express edition which are all free. very practical for hobbyist and students.

it is correct that not all companies are using microsoft products but mostly are. maybe about 40-50% cguro the rest butang na sa OS/2, mac, unix/linux operating systems.

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agree gd ko.. dapat priority gd unix/linux ky amo na nga mga OS ang ginagamit sa mafacturing systems

windows purpose lng d sa amo para sa report

dapat i tudlo gd ang mga unix text editor pareho sa pag tudlo nla sa DOS

i disagree to the idea nga i-prioritize ang unix/linux over windows. not all machines run at unix/linux. they should be given the same respect they deserve (windows and unix/linux). i have seen mga fico molding systems that run on windows. and aside from that, not all students in TUP-V go to manufacturing companies like semiconductor companies. as a computer tech myself, mas gusto ko sa commercial companies ko magkadto kaysa industrial companies. where i build and develop softwares for systems.

indi man sa siling nga microsoft-fan gid ko but i do find more development opportunities sa microsoft than unix/linux. let's just accept the idea nga mas widespread ang microsoft kaysa unix/linux.

sakto ka mig, pero when it comes to studying Operating Systems, mas hapos itudlo kag tun-an ang Linux since nga pwede mo siya masipad-sipad up to the last detail. Unfortunately indi ta pa masarangan magbayad sa microsoft siguro for this privilege.

Also based on personal experience, mas tahum ang Linux especially for embedded devices kay mag-an katama. amo pa ni ang daw indi gid makuha sang windows for now.

mas hapos tun-an ang linux kaysa windows? hhhmmmmm.... daw disagree gid ko haw. maybe sa imo side kay basi exposed ka na gid sa linux that's why you can say na mas hapos. i have tried several linux distros like mandrake, ubuntu, fedora and knoppix, i still wanted windows over them. very user-friendly gid katama ang windows. the DEFAULT START button says it all. hehehe.

hhhmmm....as of now, microsoft is already planning to increase its market share in terms of software by creating operating systems para sa embedded systems. ano nga embedded systems ang gagamit linux mig? i'm sure damo katama. i think nokia celphones run symbian OS which are (as far as i know) derived from linux. Playstation 2s (don't know sa 3) run linux OS too. there are also many embedded systems using microsoft windows CE or windows XP embedded. take a look at PDAs many of them use windows CE and industrial PCs (ang mga gagmay gid) run windows xp embedded.

but here is a disadvantage of linux. pero indi man gid ah. sa kadamo sang major distributions sang linux like Mandrake, Red Hat, Ubunto, SuSe, and fedora core just to name a few. they usually have different user interfaces. so which actually states that microsoft windows operating systems are still very far superior to user-friendliness kaysa linux regarded in general. why? because microsoft releases just one OS at a time. while linux has just TOO MANY major distros that release versions and at the same time. so in general, if you are into linux, you should have to familiarize one distro at a time to be fully knowledgeable on it. although all linux systems have common OS kernels and shells, they have different GUIs.

again i state, i'm not against linux here. actually i like linux because of its open source nature which makes advanced programmers modify and have the actual copy of the MILLION-LINED source code. it is really customizable.

but here's another, there are already commercialized linux distros like the red hat linux which you actually have to pay for it. of course they have support to their products. so linux is now NOT 100% FREE at all.

now back to topic. i'm really after the idea na dapat matudlo gid linux/unix ang TUP-V. but it's not as easy as it goes. they (TUP-V) have to undergo some steps so that they can change some of the curriculums.

want a very nice linux distro that's free? UBUNTU is the answer. :)

sa tuod lang cellphone ko subong is a windows mobile device and i like it very much :D ang point ko regarding linux for embedded devices is for school use, not the commercial devices we would usually see being sold in the market. i'm not sure kun may windows based modules naman subong nga available for students, kay sang estudyante pa ko pure linux based lang ang ara. i believe mas cost effective ni siya nga solution especially for us sa TUP for learning purposes.

oo budlay tuod ang user interface sang Unix/Linux distros as per the reasons stated, especially kay naanad na kita sa Windows. ako man gani ugtas sa linux sang una ko nga gamit sa iya. imagine floppy disk na lang gid kinahanglan pa i-mount hehehe.

but since the study of Operating Systems in general does not constitute the interface alone, once you have peered open Linux's hard to use facade, dira mo makita ang beauty of learning about operating systems, which would apply both to windows and linux. as i said before mas hapos sipad sipadon ang linux if you want to know what's goind on behind the scenes, and what you will learn there can be applied to almost all operating systems you can find. i can say this from experience kay mas naapreciate ko pa gid ang Windows because of my learnings from linux.

so para sa akon, linux would be the better option as a teaching tool for TUP taking into consideration our budget constraints, but this would not mean nga exclusive linux na lang ta. let's enjoy the best of both worlds.

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@ jerber : my Point ka gd mig...pero nd gd ko ya mag dayaw sa Windows pareho sa imo
bal-an mo gd na mig kung ma experense mo gamit ang windows kag unix sa adlaw2 nga tanan..ma compare mo gd..
in terms of security,processing speed,stability...Web hosting 90% unix gd.

balik sa TUP issue bal-an mo kung magita ka ubra tanan na employer ga assume na kabalo kana sa window pero advantage kung may background ka sa Linux/unix indi tanan may opportunity na mag tu-on Linux/unix
may ara command sa windows na sa computer shop ko na tun-an antis pa sa eskwelahan amo na nga dapat Priority gd. user friendly man na ayhan ang windows self study nalang na.joke lng

sakto man. there are lots of hosting service providers using linux (debian which was the best for web servers daw). its kinda rare to look for windows hosting solutions. mostly kung may makita ka man, it would not be free unlike those who run linux servers.

budlay man gid para sa akon as a .NET developer to look for free ASP.NET hosting services. laka lang gid and its very rare to find free ASP.NET hosting. sa linux tam-an kadamo.

@bahaw2x, as of these days, you can't tell which OS or servers give the most security, speed and stability. microsoft has already unleashed too many servers that are very easy to configure and is very secured. think about sharepoint, server 2008 (longhorn), server 2003, etc. ako mismo i can't compare. both are not worth comparing in terms of services. the only disadvantage to use microsoft technologies? ITS NOT FREE. dira lang na siya mabalda. imagine, if every server uses microsoft? ambot kung nalang kung ano kamanggaranon ang microsoft subong. hehehe.

and about user-friendliness, sakto ka mig, self study nalang na ang windows. that's why maski mga manol sa computer mas dasig makabalo kung windows ang gamiton.

ako gani, im not closed minded na indi gid ko magtuon linux. nagbakal ko gani libro nga "Linux Bible" para lang makatuon linux. hehehe. and its my responsibility to learn new things ranging from commercial to open-source technologies. as a computer tech, i can't afford na mabyaan ko on both fields. update2x lang gamay. hehehe.

hehe migo mapa ubra nlang ta gro treand Windows VS Unix/linux

info lng not all unix and linux os are Free ex:solaris running on unix flatform(indi lng ko sure mas mahal pa kay sa sa windows)
sa linux naman ang iban free ang software pero maybayad ang support.ex: redhot enterprise.

windows vs unix/linux? sa subong its not a very ideal topic to discuss. each has its own advantage and disadvantage. this is a very long war. this has been around since the 1980s. halin pagbutwa sang windows 3.0, amo na na pagsugod sang arguments on which was better. neither one will be satisfied by each side. never will each OS go down for the other to go up. its a competition gani nga gnatawag. pareho lang na sa nokia vs sony ericson, indi tanan masatisfied na mas nami ang sony ericson kaysa nokia and vice versa (by the way, nokia person ko. hehehe).

don't attempt to start such thread. kay damo na ko nakadto-an nga forums nga amo na ang topics, sa ulihi, wala man gyapon patungohan ang storya kundi untaton nalang.

again i emphasize, each has disadvantages and advantages. so let's respect it that way.

mig, just read these if you are really into windows vs unix debates. im tired of it.

http://unixsucks.com/default.aspx
http://www.bostoncomputing.net/webhosting/unix-vs-windows/
http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/a/linux_2.htm
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-So...Windows-Server/

may forums pa. ari ho: http://groups.google.com/group/Windows-vs-UNIX/

ari baskog ho: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/...39272293,00.htm

it has some of the facts about both OS. so just read for yourself. happy reading!

okey daug unix.hehe ericson VS nokia naman ta ah...kapuy na ang windows

maski daug pa ang unix/linux (sa imo lang na ya), you will still find windows everywhere you go. you will still end up using a windows machine anyway. :P

agree man ako nga kinanlan itudlo ang unix/linux sa tupv, sa rason nga jutay lang ang sagad dri compared sa windows nga familiar na halos tanan nga gagamit computer (sa pinas).

based sa experience ko.. most servers /storage / network apps , linux or unix flavors ang ginagamit. (ara ko sa networking.. indi sa programming or embedded systems)

also free ini.. indi na kinanlan manago kung may dinakpanay pirated nga OS , like sa ng natabo nagligad :D

lastly , may mga apps maayo performance sa windows compared sa linux. example bi ang webcam appli , plugins para sa firefox for embedded videos, games. kung nagapadlagan ko simulator etc.. fedora linux ang gamit ko, pero kung magamit ko sang mentioned applications sa babaw, sa windows xp ako.

conclusion: teach linux/unix in tup, but let's not forget the fact that windows is still the common man's OS :thumb:

sakto ka migo aubrom. anyways, indi ta na pagdal-on ang war sg OS sa diri. way gid na resulta nga manami. hehehe

unix/linux at tup-v is a very good idea. kaso, liwaton gid ya ang curriculum. pero kung may ara club sa tup-v (link, technowatch, etc) na more on linux studies, maybe mas mayo pa gid without modifying the curriculum.

no offense intended ha, honest inquiry lang... may trainors ta sa tup nga proficient na sa Linux teaching? if not, i guess this is one major obstacle nga kinahanglan ma overcome before we could go full blast on linux. kag sakto ka migo jerber, if we could start small sa mga organizations mas baskog pa gid. maayo gid nga masuguran ang "core" group which would in turn teach other students. i have some learning materials here that i think they could use kun gusto nila :D

mayo na migo istroy. unfortunately, sa paglantaw ko lang....medyo wala pa gid trainors na sagad pa gid sa linux. don't know lang kay sir berenia kay nagkadto na siya sa japan and trained for mandrake linux.

sige mangkuton ko lg si Sir Jojo magkitaay kami di. Hopefully kita nga mga alumni could start something for TUP. :thumb:

:thumb: :thumb: dugang naman nga pogi points sa mga TUP-V graduate...specially para sa future nga mga ComTek..

hahaha! comptech gid ya? hehehe cyempre para man sa iban like ECE or ME or sa iban nga tech. para makabalo sila nga may ara pa OS aside sa windows.

Yes, there is one. A trainor currently with the BSECE Dept. He's name is Christopher Faciolan. He was a classmate of mine ( batch 98 ). In fact he has already set-up an internal mail server using Redhat Linux where in trainors, were given there own email ID's and an internet server, kag kung ano pa... Before entering TUP-V as a trainor, he was an systems administrator for a company located sa Carmelray Industrial Park 2...

Your plans to create a core group that would facilitate Linux education sa TUP-V is excellent, he could be the guy you can contact. I believe he is also very eager to spread linux into TUP-V's system... wala lang sya support....



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ah, ok, siya ni guro ang na mention ni Sir Aljo last time. thank you gid mig for the info. sige kay mangayo lang ko sang iya nga contact details.

ano na company nung?? kay ari man ko d sbung ga ubra sa Carmelray Industrial Park 2...basi lng bla diri man sya halin haw..

@jerber para sa tanan man sling ko galing special gd sa comtek kay mainly dira ta manga-buhi..hehe :thumb:

Storage Test Solutions Philippines, Inc... HDD drive test equipment manufacturer. Pero nag shut down na ini nga company.... :(

ah. speaking of linux para sa tup-v, it would be better kay libre.


@bahaw2x: ok man na mig. agree man ko.

aw ah...shutdown na gli HDD manufacturing d sbung amon kami gru nag bulos sa ila company ay!!. :D