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toomanyhondas - December 26, 2007 05:35 AM (GMT)
i run at shadyside when i can i have had a few differnt hondas and a bike or two run there and the last was a mx3 the last day the track was open.. i got this thing finished later that week and i been drivin it a lil hopin the track will be done soon lol

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Blueridge_Motorsports - December 26, 2007 03:07 PM (GMT)
Looks good but whats with the multi color spark plug wires?!? And please, screw the bumper back on before you take some shots man. If you need a hood also, we have one here for you....

Glad to see more imports participating at shadyside - Always nice to see a variety of cars.....

toomanyhondas - December 26, 2007 06:22 PM (GMT)
they were the only wires i had sittin around.. the front end is wrecked it was that way when i bought it.. were prob doin a 97 front end on it... i need to take the bumper off and take the bent support out to make that one look right but everything else is still bent.. i have been following your car for a while.. what can you do wiht ob0 tuning?

Blueridge_Motorsports - December 26, 2007 08:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (toomanyhondas @ Dec 26 2007, 02:22 PM)
....i have been following your car for a while.. what can you do wiht ob0 tuning?

Best thing for the OBD0 chassis is use the OBD0-OBD1 jumper harness and convert. There are alot more possiblities with OBD1 ECU standalones, tuning wise...

See this thread:

Blueridge Jumper Harness Sale!!

Just give us a call and we can work you in to do the conversion and tune session if need be :D

toomanyhondas - December 27, 2007 02:49 AM (GMT)
im gonna see what i can do with obd0 b4 i make a jumper harness to run obd1.. somone made me a offer on my swap that is really good so i may take it and go turbo single cam

Blueridge_Motorsports - December 27, 2007 03:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (toomanyhondas @ Dec 26 2007, 10:49 PM)
im gonna see what i can do with obd0 b4 i make a jumper harness to run obd1.. somone made me a offer on my swap that is really good so i may take it and go turbo single cam

your wasting your time with OBD0 electronics - Especially if you go turbo SOHC, OBD1 is the ONLY way to get the full potential out of the setup....

toomanyhondas - December 27, 2007 06:04 PM (GMT)
yea if i go turbo its deff gonna be obd1 i did alot of research and you cant even get a good a/f read with obd0... does anyone do obdII tuning because i have a engine harness for a 97 civic ex... the last one i had sold on ebay in about 15 min is there any market for it?. and also do you take trades on parts.. i have alot of stuff from obd0 cars to some k20 stuff

Blueridge_Motorsports - December 28, 2007 03:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (toomanyhondas @ Dec 27 2007, 02:04 PM)
yea if i go turbo its deff gonna be obd1 i did alot of research and you cant even get a good a/f read with obd0... does anyone do obdII tuning because i have a engine harness for a 97 civic ex... the last one i had sold on ebay in about 15 min is there any market for it?. and also do you take trades on parts.. i have alot of stuff from obd0 cars to some k20 stuff

OBDII tuning is limited to piggy back style systems (greddy e-manage, perfect power, Haltec, etc..) - Piggy backs are ok, but in the Honda world, OBD1 is the only thing to utilize. Your gonna need to use a full stand-alone management system - which is just chipping the OBD1 ECU and having the correct program on a laptop and a dyno/tuner/wideband (eCtune, Hondata, Crome, Neptune, etc...).

Why are you using a 97 harness OBDII in your OBD0 chassis? No matter what the swap is, use your factory OBD0 harness and modify. That OBDII harness would work, but thats over complicating the situation and a wiring nightmare....

And unfortunately we dont do any trades on used parts - if you need a clean OBD0 harness just call us up and we can source one for you....

toomanyhondas - December 28, 2007 04:27 PM (GMT)
i had a obdII harness layin around i havnt installed it but i thought it would be easyer to install sense it is a harness from the ecu to the engine and then into the harness and i could lay the harness over... i have a Crome, uberdata, 2 eprom burners, data link.. pretty much everything to a tune except a dyno... everything i have learned about tuning i have learned on my own.. alot of companys dont want to tell too much info on tuning because it would cost them business so i used pgmfi.org which had alot of information but i think it has been closed

Joseph Davis - December 30, 2007 06:45 AM (GMT)
The forum is still up and active; I should know, I'm one of the moderators. :P

http://forum.pgmfi.org/

BRMS is giving you good advice. OBD2 for D/B/F/H series engines is a dead pig. The distributor and all sensors on the OBD2 engines are OBD1-compliant, so all you need to to tailor an engine harness to the swap and get the OBD1 conversion harness + ECU.

OBD2 engine harness into your chassis car is a very advanced - and pointless - swap... however, most 88-91 engine harnesses have dry rotted to the point they are complete crap. For my personal car I cut an OBD2 harness off where the OBD0 plugs on the passenger shock tower would be on an OBD0 harness and grafted it into the OBD0 tower plugs. That sort of wiring is still fairly advanced, and if you don't have the patience to neatly and cleanly solder and heatshrink the wiring so it looks OEM you will have issues from it as your wiring harness IS your tune on an EFI vehicle.


toomanyhondas - December 31, 2007 05:35 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the extra imput.. i made the trade today they are putting a stock d15 in my as we speak... im gettin a d16y7 that im gonna go threw and put new bearings in and put arp rod bolds and arp head studs in and just prep it.. i have a td05 and a ram horn turbo manifold.. alot of it is no name like the bov and the intercooler and it has a internal wastegate i was told that the people b4 me got 12lbs out of it.. i dont want that at all so i will turn it down about half for the street.. im in the process of making up my mind on stayin obd0 til i get a harness or just make a harness... also im happy to hear that pgmfi is still up and running i didnt kno with the legal issues they had going on if they were still online or not.. im a big fan of it so il keep goin to them

Joseph Davis - December 31, 2007 06:22 AM (GMT)
Don't waste money on the rod bolts; rod bolts are not a weak link on the Honda rod, they all break across the beam when they let go.

If you are going to go through the engine a set of Tunertoys.com rods and Vitara pistons from FJT on HT/eBay are silly cheap, and a known good combo for 400+ whp. Add an OBX LSD and you've got a drivetrain that will handle that power.

Y7 has a wussy cam equivalent to a B7. Call up Delta and see if they can get you one of the mild 272 regrinds that's compatible with the stock valvetrain. You'll still idle smooth and get good fuel efficiency, but the midrange and top end of the engine will be a LOT better.

OBD0 has serious problems due to William Brown's abandoning development of TurboEdit and injectors past 450cc are not recommended as IAT and CTS corrections do not exist. If you want to stay OBD0 your best bet is to get an OBD0 PR3/PW0 and run BRE, I've only tuned two cars with it but they were both pretty stable, and Ben seems like a decent guy willing to put in the development work on his end.

I really doubt pgmfi is going anywhere...




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