Hi all just me again, feel i have to write this and see if anyone has any advice as Jake went alittle weird, I was giving him his night time brush when normally he will lay down and enjoy but tonite he sat, which i thought was great as i could get to underneath, i did his front paws great and even underneath, then i turned the brush round for the softer part for his tail as he is still not letting me get close but normal he just grumbles about it and in the end i normal get alittle brushing done but tonight he went weird and started using his paw to push me off, i could see he wasnt comfortable with me brushing there so i stopped but then he started jumping up at me and head butting me, i got really weird about it so took him in the kitchen.
I dont know if he was just playing or trying to over power me.
It was just little worrying that's all he is such a big dog and it did hurt when he jumped up as i was off guard.
Any suggestions?

Without actually seeing what heppened it is difficult to second guess what he was trying to do , if he was trying to play he will need to learn you instigate the game not him , he may well be trying it on just to test your reactions , if he does it again i would try telling him firmly NO or OFF . We all have different ideas of what is acceptable behaviour and what is not acceptable , if you got a bit of a fright when he did it he will have sensed that so maybe taking him into the kitchen for a little bit of time out was the sensible thing to do on this occasion

Pyr's are sensitive dogs who do get the message very quickly if we are not happy with them , you are still getting used to each other and Jake will test you to see how far he can go , thats why training is so important so that he soon learns what you will put up with and what you wont you might have to go right back to basics with him , eg when you play with him make sure you start the game and you finish the game when you are ready , never give him a command you can not enforce as all that will teach him is that it is ok to ignore you , once you give a command dont keep repeating it if he does not do it the first time you have to be able to make him do as you ask , which is not easy with a dog this size but with a lot of patience and hard work you will be able to teach him how you expect him to behave :D

Fiona xx

Thank you so much for that reply, i have since brought him from the kitchen, he came running in bouncy and still alittle jumpy with me so i ignored him and sat down he has just decided to chill out and moan and groan about it.
I have been making him do as i ask him to do as he does try to push his luck with me but i stand firm on that one, sometimes will take me 3 go's to get him to lay down but i wont give in with him, maybe i was just being alittle daft but have never seen him act like that and found it totally off character.
but thank you for that reply it has set my mind at ease.
Sam xx

Taking on any dog with out knowing very much about them and their wee quirks can be hard work but with a full grown male Pyr i think it is sensible to take your time to really get to know them :D

I have had Storm for just over a year and it has taken me a lot of time and patience to really get to know him , what makes him tick , what he will react to and when i can push him and when i cant , it has not been an easy road and i know some people think i have taken things over slow with him , but i would rather take things slowly at a pace we are both comfortable with than try to push him too far too soon , as Vera said when i first got Storm he is stronger than me and a lot faster so there was really no point in putting him into a position i did not know how he would react to it and where either myself the kids or Akira could have been hurt by me getting it wrong .

I have put in a lot of work with Storm and on the whole i have enjoyed it but there were times especially at the start when i did wonder if i had bitten off more than i could chew , but i was determined to make it work as he had a crappy start in life and i wanted him to be a happy well mannered part of my family , he was a very misunderstood guy when he first came here but because of the issues i was told he had i did take things very slowly but i am glad i did as introducing toys for both Akira and Storm to play with and being able to give them treats together could have went badly wrong if i had not learned to read him very well first , it has only been over the last few months that i have allowed them both access to toys at the same time and now they have them lying around all the time , not that they play with them much , but i have had no problems with them and its the same with chews its only been the last few weeks that i will give them a chew out in the garden at the same time , as before i kept them seperate as the one and only time they had a bit of a spat was over a chew months ago and as Storm is twice Akira's size that could have went badly wrong .

Just take your time with him get to know him really well and build up a good relationship with Jake and i am sure you will be able to work through any problems you might come up against :D

Fiona xx

Its possible that he was telling you he wanted more and when you didnt oblige he got a bit pushy. Polar does the head nudging thing and quite forcefully too!!! we tell him no firmly and he does get the message its usually at walk times or when he wants fusses!! maybe its a male pyr thing but they are rather large dogs and they can catch you off guard occasionally :D how is jake with his barking now ?

Still the same with his barking and i have also received my 4 weeks notice from the landlord :( so im having to find Jake a new home, the behaviourist i was receiving help from has put me in touch with another behaviourist who knows a lady who owns a doggy hotel and has 3 pyrenean's, she is going to phone her tomorro and see if she has anyone she knows who will be willing to take him in, i have also contacted the Pyrenean mountain dog club and spoke to a gentleman who has said he has noone suitable for his barking but will keep Jake in mind when someone calls.
I dont want him going to just anyone, he has melted my heart and i totally adore him but im gonna have to stay with family till i find somewhere now and all my family already have dogs :( i tried my nanna but she has 2 bitches and was worried about the sessions and stuff.
I rang the lady i got him off and she was like "well i dont want him back" she even admitted she had problems with him, yet none of this was mentioned when i got him from her.
I feel i have let him down, all he needs is securety and someone who loves and cares for him and cause he has been moved around alot i feel he is going think its his fault, sounds daft that dont it.
Im hoping someone close to me will want him so i can do a homecheck and an interveiw, i would also like to stay intouch with them and see how he is.
Thank you all for your support and help in the times needed :D im so very proud i have owned one of the most beautiful dogs eva.

:o I have to say i am quite shocked at that comment to be honest , Tony and Lorna Ireland are an amazing couple who know Pyr's very well and have rehomed a lot of dogs through the PMDC Rescue and that does not sound like a comment Tony would make Pry's are barkers no if or buts about it it is one of their breed traits as protectors of the flock.

I am so sorry things have not worked out for you with Jake and i hope you can find him a suitable home with people who really understand the breed , a lot of people like the look of Pyr's but not a lot of people would be willing to put in the time and training Jake is going to need , or even understand what he does need , which is really sad :(

I know you will be on a tight deadline to find him a new home as you are having to move but i would still recommend getting back in touch with the PMDC if things get desperate for you , as i have said they do know the breed extremely well and i am sure they would be able to find somebody willing to take him on , even if it means he has to go into rescue for a wee while , better that than he gets rehomed to somebody else who then realizes they cant cope with him or understand what he needs

Fiona xx

Hi Fiona I think he ment with his constant barking the gentleman said it would prob best for someone in the countryside for Jake and he didnt have anyone suitable like that at the moment. I have full explained everything about Jake as i want someone who knows what they are getting with him.
The gentleman said he would read through some files and get back to me, putting him in the rescue is my very last resort but i will only let him go to someone with experience and also time and maybe not fussy neighbours <_< I will also giv my behaviourist number to them just incase :rolleyes: Im goin to view a property on Monday but its very small house and No pets allowed.

Hi Fiona, it probably wasn't Lorna or Tony Ireland that Kittania spoke to as they are both experiecing very health at the moment and having to rehomed their dogs.

Sorry things aren't working out. Hope he finds a home soon.

Do you know his pedigree, sometimes the breeder is obliged or wants to take th dog back.

Gaynor

Have you tried www.dogpages.co.uk

Hi
I phoned the breeder and she said to phone the lady i got him and get her to ring her, so i did and the lady didnt want to know so i thought best not to pester the breeder again. i havent tried them but i will now thank you.

what advice did the behaviourist give you? its really sad he has to go perhaps try advertising him in the papers or on the internet and state you will be wanting to do a home check that would probably attract genuine people only. unless you could find a property suitable for jake where he wouldnt annoy anyone which may be difficult. are you living in the uk?

yeah in the North East, i only have a limited time to find somewhere as i dont want to stay with family longer than i have to, my daughter is a special needs child and can be to much for ppl.
i got loads of advice from the behaviourist and loads of information to read through that i will pass on to his new owner.
i have advertised him on the internet and will do local papers next wk but im so worried about the home he might go to, even home checks cant tell u enough about the person.

have you tried any of the advice it might be worth a shot although you do need lots of time and patience and time is not alot you have but i wish you luck finding him a good home i would love to have had him here with us but i have 3 and it would be too much!!!! all the best give jake a hug from me and keep us posted :)

Thank you Fizzy, im sure he will find a new home soon but im going to be so picky about who he goes to :)
Im looking to find him a home with dogs as i think he will enjoy the company of other dogs.
Thank you all again for your help.
Sam

good for you i would be picky also let us know how you get on :)

I just want to say a big thank you to vera for your post on the dogpages :rolleyes: the breeder who breed Jake phoned me today after the behaviourist rang her and has said she will have Jake and keep him for the rest of his life, Im so pleased he will be going home where is parents are and i feel alot better that he will be going to someone with experience and alot of knowledge of his breed.
I have also found somewhere i can move into before i need to leave here, but owning Jake has been worth everything as he is fab and is loved dearly.
Many Thanks all
Samantha

Glad its all worked out

regards

Gaynor

So glad it's worked out.

I wasn't sure about the post on DP, but I felt that it was important that a new home knew about this "bad habit" of Pyreneans. I am glad that you were happy with my post.

Vera

thats excellent news and that you have another place is double good news :) give jake a big hug from us and good luck in your new place :) :)