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petervonnostrand - November 5, 2009 08:56 PM (GMT)
wife and littlest one got their's today, arriving early at the site and waiting 1 1/2 hours inside before injections started at 2 pm...

it's 4 pm now and I just drove past the sports arena site and it looks like the superdome in the week after katrina...

local news site reports over 4,000 in line now, which means they don't have a dose for everyone in line...and there is a criteria to be met...

absolutley shocking, in a mid-sized u.s. city in 2009... :nope:

Just Plain Bill - November 5, 2009 09:08 PM (GMT)
They're lucky. Can't even get the seasonal where I am. My grandson got his(seasonal) a couple of weeks ago.

No sign of the H1N1 yet.

JohnDough - November 5, 2009 09:13 PM (GMT)
The vaccine was rushed into production. There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects. I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated.

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza. No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig. IMO


Kali Maa - November 5, 2009 09:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 03:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production. There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects. I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated.

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza. No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig. IMO

Agreed

Just Plain Bill - November 5, 2009 09:39 PM (GMT)
The WHO has said millions of doses have been given in the 20 countries that have started vaccinating with no serious side effects.

Over 100 children have died in this country from H1N1 that weren't vaccinated.

My daughter and her husband have decided my grandson will get the shot.

Whenever the fuck it gets here, that is.

Prowling - November 5, 2009 09:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 09:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production. There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects. I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated.

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza. No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig. IMO

Agreed.

This is a manufactured crisis. Like global warming.


no one in particular - November 5, 2009 09:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Just Plain Bill @ Nov 5 2009, 05:39 PM)
The WHO has said millions of doses have been given in the 20 countries that have started vaccinating with no serious side effects.

Over 100 children have died in this country from H1N1 that weren't vaccinated.

My daughter and her husband have decided my grandson will get the shot.

Whenever the fuck it gets here, that is.

CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of seasonal flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_fl...ated_deaths.htm

JohnDough - November 5, 2009 10:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Just Plain Bill @ Nov 5 2009, 02:39 PM)
The WHO has said millions of doses have been given in the 20 countries that have started vaccinating with no serious side effects YET.


Fixed.

Just Plain Bill - November 5, 2009 10:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (no one in particular @ Nov 5 2009, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (Just Plain Bill @ Nov 5 2009, 05:39 PM)
The WHO has said millions of doses have been given in the 20 countries that have started vaccinating with no serious side effects.

Over 100 children have died in this country from H1N1 that weren't vaccinated.

My daughter and her husband have decided my grandson will get the shot.

Whenever the fuck it gets here, that is.

CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of seasonal flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_fl...ated_deaths.htm

No doubt. The seasonal flu kills.

I'm saying that as far as I'm concerned the H1N1 vaccine is safe, our family doctor told my wife and I to get the vaccine due to underlying health conditions and my grandson's pediatrician told my daughter to have him get it due to his age.(13 mos)

koppzilla - November 5, 2009 10:08 PM (GMT)
The H1N1 vaccination is the same as the season flu one basically. It is made the same way and just as safe. I will get it if it becomes available enough in my area where there aren’t long lines. Otherwise I figure there are others who need it more.

USTA4 - November 5, 2009 10:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production. There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects. I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated.

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza. No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig. IMO

The vaccine is safe, it's grown the same was as other vaccines.

JohnDough - November 5, 2009 10:39 PM (GMT)
The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

Prowling - November 5, 2009 10:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (USTA4 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production.  There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects.  I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated. 

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza.  No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig.  IMO

The vaccine is safe, it's grown the same was as other vaccines.

Obama was elected the same way as other presidents.

There goes your "safe" theory.

Couchpotato - November 5, 2009 11:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (USTA4 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production.  There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects.  I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated. 

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza.  No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig.  IMO

The vaccine is safe, it's grown the same was as other vaccines.

You're assuming that the other flu vac is "safe".

koppzilla - November 5, 2009 11:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Couchpotato @ Nov 5 2009, 05:24 PM)
QUOTE (USTA4 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (JohnDough @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 PM)
The vaccine was rushed into production.  There has not been enough testing to ensure the safety and long term effects.   I will not have any member of my family get vaccinated. 

The flu can be stopped at the onset of symptoms with Tamiflu or Relenza.   No need to be a Govt and big pharma guinea pig.   IMO

The vaccine is safe, it's grown the same was as other vaccines.

You're assuming that the other flu vac is "safe".

People get the regular flu vaccine every year with very few problems.

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 01:21 AM (GMT)
Last flu shot this year. Never again.

Seasonal flu shot and got mopped by the flu anyway. 2 of past 3 years got the flu shot and got the flu both years.

no one in particular - November 6, 2009 01:25 AM (GMT)
never gotten a flu shot... and never will. I was born with an immune system that I'm perfectly happy with.

OakBan - November 6, 2009 02:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (no one in particular @ Nov 5 2009, 05:25 PM)
never gotten a flu shot... and never will. I was born with an immune system that I'm perfectly happy with.

you'll be dead before you're 40 clown.

petervonnostrand - November 6, 2009 03:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (no one in particular @ Nov 5 2009, 09:25 PM)
never gotten a flu shot... and never will. I was born with an immune system that I'm perfectly happy with.

ditto

USTA4 - November 6, 2009 02:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (no one in particular @ Nov 5 2009, 09:25 PM)
never gotten a flu shot... and never will. I was born with an immune system that I'm perfectly happy with.

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you in one of the low risk groups anyway?

Frank Pentangelli - November 6, 2009 02:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (no one in particular @ Nov 6 2009, 01:25 AM)
never gotten a flu shot... and never will. I was born with an immune system that I'm perfectly happy with.

I had never gotten one until this year. Finally did the flumist last weekend and have been sick ever since. Was considering getting an H1N1 but now I'm not sure about that.

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 06:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Frank Pentangelli @ Nov 6 2009, 07:04 AM)
I had never gotten one until this year. Finally did the flumist last weekend and have been sick ever since. Was considering getting an H1N1 but now I'm not sure about that.

Sucks. I am just getting over it.

Never again.


Hope it passes soon dude. Do not wish this shit on anyone. Get well soon.

Clarence Boddicker - November 6, 2009 06:45 PM (GMT)
Last time I even got sick was 2004 when I came down with bronchitis.

The hell with getting a flu shot. Overrated government hype.

Kali Maa - November 6, 2009 06:52 PM (GMT)
While I fully expect the aftermath that will come with my usual explosive post... you all should take high doses of Vitamin C. It'll help those of you that are ill, and getting over it as well as keeping those of you that are well, healthy.

Take 2 - 3 thousand milligrams with each meal at least.
It's water soluble, so what your body doesn't use, it will make waste with.


The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 06:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clarence Boddicker @ Nov 6 2009, 11:45 AM)
Last time I even got sick was 2004 when I came down with bronchitis.

The hell with getting a flu shot. Overrated government hype.

Not sure about the whole government hype thing, but the more I read from you all here, the more it seems the shit is bad man, reaaally bad.

Wife, kid and I all got whacked this year. Wife and I got the flu shot at the behest of our pediatrician.

This feels like malaria sounds.

Kali Maa - November 6, 2009 06:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:55 PM)
Not sure about the whole government hype thing, but the more I read from you all here, the more it seems the shit is bad man, reaaally bad.

Wife, kid and I all got whacked this year. Wife and I got the flu shot at the behest of our pediatrician.

This feels like malaria sounds.

Vitamin C, Sheik. I know that the fucking morons on this board will just ignore me... and suffer for it. But I hope YOU won't. :)

petervonnostrand - November 6, 2009 06:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Nov 6 2009, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:55 PM)
Not sure about the whole government hype thing, but the more I read from you all here, the more it seems the shit is bad man, reaaally bad.

Wife, kid and I all got whacked this year.  Wife and I got the flu shot at the behest of our pediatrician.

This feels like malaria sounds.

Vitamin C, Sheik. I know that the fucking morons on this board will just ignore me... and suffer for it. But I hope YOU won't. :)

amen...youre mother was right...

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 07:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Nov 6 2009, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:55 PM)
Not sure about the whole government hype thing, but the more I read from you all here, the more it seems the shit is bad man, reaaally bad.

Wife, kid and I all got whacked this year.  Wife and I got the flu shot at the behest of our pediatrician.

This feels like malaria sounds.

Vitamin C, Sheik. I know that the fucking morons on this board will just ignore me... and suffer for it. But I hope YOU won't. :)

On it.

Crushing the vitamin C.

Thanks Kali.

My advice is to avoid the flu shot like a loan shark.

Clarence Boddicker - November 6, 2009 07:02 PM (GMT)
What sucked about the bronchitis was that it got reallllllly bad on Saturday, and then I had to get checked into a hospital on the next day.....which just so happened to be Superbowl Sunday.

They gave me fluids and ran me on oxygen for 36 hours (as it turned out I only had about 20% oxygen in my blood as a result of the phlegm in my lungs and I could barely breathe), and I was let go afterwards and felt like a million bucks, even though I had missed all the football parties. :(

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 07:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clarence Boddicker @ Nov 6 2009, 12:02 PM)
What sucked about the bronchitis was that it got reallllllly bad on Saturday, and then I had to get checked into a hospital on the next day.....which just so happened to be Superbowl Sunday.

They gave me fluids and ran me on oxygen for 36 hours (as it turned out I only had about 20% oxygen in my blood as a result of the phlegm in my lungs and I could barely breathe), and I was let go afterwards and felt like a million bucks, even though I had missed all the football parties. :(

Are oxygen bars still around?


I could use about 48 hours of oxygen and a full time nanny for about a month.

Clarence Boddicker - November 6, 2009 07:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:07 PM)
QUOTE (Clarence Boddicker @ Nov 6 2009, 12:02 PM)
What sucked about the bronchitis was that it got reallllllly bad on Saturday, and then I had to get checked into a hospital on the next day.....which just so happened to be Superbowl Sunday.

They gave me fluids and ran me on oxygen for 36 hours (as it turned out I only had about 20% oxygen in my blood as a result of the phlegm in my lungs and I could barely breathe), and I was let go afterwards and felt like a million bucks, even though I had missed all the football parties. :(

Are oxygen bars still around?


I could use about 48 hours of oxygen and a full time nanny for about a month.

Ya know what? I occasionally see them at kiosks at local shopping malls. They charge X number of dollars for X number of minutes with various flavors of the O2.

They're also starting to sell pressurized cans of them in places like QT and Circle K's and 7-11's, but i've never gone so far as to try one of them. It's something like 8 bucks for 100 breaths or something like that.

Kali Maa - November 6, 2009 07:15 PM (GMT)
Now here is a well traveled highway:
sniffle > cold > flu > pneumonia

Vitamin C can help stop this series before it starts.

The further you've gone down the path of sickness, the more "C" it will take to heal. The faster a locomotive is going, the more braking power it takes to stop it. Dr. Linus Pauling says to start taking more C at the very first sniffle. Good idea.

It is common for people to raise their eyebrows when many therapeutic claims are made for a single vitamin. "Vitamin C for colds, maybe. But pneumonia? C'mon!"

My central thesis may help explain it: The reason one vitamin can CURE so many conditions is that a deficiency of one vitamin can CAUSE many conditions. Disease is often the aggravated result of vitamin deficiency. If this seems to be too much emphasis on nutrition and not enough on microbes, we must remember that we live with viruses and bacteria all about us, all the time. Yet everyone is not sick all of the time. Differing nutritional status is at least as important a consideration as any other. A deficiency of any one vitamin can eventually cause death. Still, the aggressive use of vitamins to cure disease is seldom advocated.

Take vitamin C, for example. Because it is so good for so many illnesses, to the medical profession it is seen as TOO good for TOO MANY conditions. What a nice problem to have. This substance is too useful. Mmm. Can't have that, now, can we!

Of course, doctors use the same antibiotic for dozens of different infectious diseases. Their argument is that there is cause (pathogenic bacteria) that must be stopped. Antibiotics kill bacteria like an A-bomb. Vitamin C stops bacteria in a different way: it works through the body's immune system, like the French Resistance. You can probably win the war either way, but I'd rather avoid the negative effects of both the Bomb and the antibiotics.

A discussion of bacteria here is not entirely off-topic. Doctors (including a board-certified internist friend of mine who treated me, long ago) will give antibiotics for viral illnesses, such as pneumonia, to treat or prevent a secondary infection.


Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D., writes:

“Massive doses of ascorbate assist the immune system to kill bacteria within the body but also have the ability to kill bacteria by some mechanism, which does not seem to involve the immune system. These bacteria and L-forms of bacteria hide out in cells, especially when antibiotics are used, and explain some of the resistance acquired by bacteria against antibiotics. I have yet to see bacteria that can become resistant to massive doses of ascorbate in combination with first and second-generation antibiotics. Admittedly in a private practice, I do not see the most resistant bacteria, but this combination has been impressive and deserves to be tried against the most resistant bacteria. It may solve the impending problem of increasingly resistant bacteria.”


COLDS AND FLU

Dr. Robert Cathcart says vitamin C works exceptionally well as an antiviral (and antibiotic) if you take enough. "Enough" is called "saturation," and is indicated by loose bowels and/or intestinal gas. Try taking vitamin C until saturation is reached.

Additional suggestions:
0,000 IU of Vitamin A daily and a few grams of bioflavonoid supplements will also help. When sick, I drink lots of carrot juice and don't need to take extra vitamin A. During illness, if you eat almost entirely fruits and vegetables, you won't need the bioflavonoid supplement either.

The biggest difference you will find in treating influenza is that your saturation level of vitamin C will be higher (perhaps MUCH higher) than with the common cold. Dr. Linus Pauling has been saying this for decades, starting with his classic book, Vitamin C, The Common Cold and The Flu (Freeman, 1970). His more recent book, How To Live Longer and Feel Better (1986, revised 2006 and reviewed at http://www.doctoryourself.com/livelonger.html ), is even better. It is practical, clear, and contains hundreds of supporting scientific references.

BRONCHITIS AND PNEUMONIA

Preventing is obviously easier than treating severe illness. Immediate use of hourly gram doses of vitamin C up to saturation will usually stop bronchitis or pneumonia from ever starting. But if they have, treat serious illness seriously: in the very young or the very old, pneumonia can kill. Do not hesitate to seek medical attention.

Here is a second opinion. Dr. Cathcart advocates treating pneumonia with up to 200,000 milligrams of vitamin C daily, often intravenously. You and I can simulate a 24 hour IV of Vitamin C by taking it by mouth very, very often. When I had pneumonia, it took 2,000 mg of vitamin C every six minutes to get me to saturation. My oral daily dose was over 100,000 mg. Fever, cough and other symptoms were reduced in hours; complete recovery took just a few days. Bronchitis clears up even faster. That is performance at least as good as any antibiotic will give, and the vitamin is both safer and cheaper.

May I suggest consulting the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine for additional support for mega-vitamin therapies? The research is done, the write-ups are out there, and you can read hundreds of papers free of charge right now at http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/ .

Treating respiratory infections with massive amounts of vitamin C is not a new idea at all. Frederick R. Klenner, M.D. and William J. McCormick, M.D. used this approach successfully for decades beginning back in the 1940's. You will want to consult their works, listed in the Bibliography under "Vitamin C," or do a website search for their names. Doctors who think that vitamin C generally has merit, but that massive doses are ineffective or somehow harmful will do well to read the original papers for themselves. Clinical evidence confirms the powerful antibiotic effect of vitamin C when used in sufficient quantity.

Speaking as a parent, I can confirm that vitamin C works as well as antibiotics since our children have never needed antibiotics, not even once. That is not because we did nothing; we used vitamin C instead.

Vitamin C can be used alone or right along with medicines if one so chooses. Prescription drugs are not doing the job. 75,000 Americans die from pneumonia each year (Vital Statistics of the U.S., Department of Health and Human Services, Vol. 2, 1989). There is no question that aggressive use of vitamin C would lower that figure a great deal. There is no excuse for excluding it.


An interesting if not downright revealing article at medicinenet.com (1) says, in part:

"According to a study appearing in the Sept. 22 online issue of The Lancet, vaccines against influenza are only "modestly effective" in people in long-term care facilities and even less effective for elderly people still living in the community. . . "The vaccine doesn't work very well at all," said study author Dr. Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist with the Cochrane Vaccines Field in Rome. "Vaccines are being used as an ideological weapon. What you see every year as the flu is caused by 200 or 300 different agents with a vaccine against two of them. That is simply nonsense." Dr. Marc Siegel, author of "False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear," agreed. "We have set up a situation where a fear is created, and then we try to create the treatment for this fear. The public gets the idea that the flu is going to kill them and the vaccine will save them. Neither is true," he said."

For the record, both these critics are medical doctors.

With our century's worth of accumulated scientific hindsight, we must today ask this: Was a lack of vaccinations really the cause of those flu deaths, or was it really wartime stress, and especially war-induced malnutrition, that set the stage in 1918? And now, once again, we have an alarming and rather similar scenario: between nutrient-poor processed convenience foods, McNothing meals and TV news scare stories, we have the basic ingredients for an epidemic.

But we now also have a simple, safe and effective answer. First, the nutrition solution: eat a good, healthy, whole foods natural diet, and take lots and lots of vitamin C. And second: relax! De-stress your life, take it easy, and cheer up. It has been very well said that you are of much more value than any number of birds. You are factory-equipped with a kick-ass mammalian immune system that is a true marvel of nature. To maximize your resistance to any viral disease, including any strain of flu, I think you would do well to stop eating processed junk food, and load up on ascorbate.

You too can be chipper and chirping away, ignoring swine flu hype, SARS scares, bird flu panics, or any other viral bogeymen being used to scare you into a coerced relationship with a flu shot.

Reference:
1. Gardner A. Flu vaccine only mildly effective in elderly. HealthDay Reporter, Sept 21, 2005.

MEDICAL DOCTOR CONFIRMS: VITAMIN C CURES BIRD FLU
The best presentation I have ever seen on just how vitamin C megadoses prevent and cure avian influenza is posted for free reading at the website of Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.:
http://orthomed.com/bird.htm



Link

Why flu shots don't work

Vaccinations and Children

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 07:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clarence Boddicker @ Nov 6 2009, 12:10 PM)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:07 PM)
QUOTE (Clarence Boddicker @ Nov 6 2009, 12:02 PM)
What sucked about the bronchitis was that it got reallllllly bad on Saturday, and then I had to get checked into a hospital on the next day.....which just so happened to be Superbowl Sunday.

They gave me fluids and ran me on oxygen for 36 hours (as it turned out I only had about 20% oxygen in my blood as a result of the phlegm in my lungs and I could barely breathe), and I was let go afterwards and felt like a million bucks, even though I had missed all the football parties. :(

Are oxygen bars still around?


I could use about 48 hours of oxygen and a full time nanny for about a month.

Ya know what? I occasionally see them at kiosks at local shopping malls. They charge X number of dollars for X number of minutes with various flavors of the O2.

They're also starting to sell pressurized cans of them in places like QT and Circle K's and 7-11's, but i've never gone so far as to try one of them. It's something like 8 bucks for 100 breaths or something like that.

Wonder if the OTC stuff works as well as the treatments you got though.

I'd pay the 8 bones to be able to breathe without coughing.


The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 07:17 PM (GMT)
Kali, does ultra vitamin c make the symptoms go away quicker?

I am about to go buy a fucking pallet of it.

petervonnostrand - November 6, 2009 07:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 03:07 PM)
I could use about 48 hours of oxygen and a full time nanny for about a month.

thought you were married...

;)

Kali Maa - November 6, 2009 07:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 01:16 PM)
Wonder if the OTC stuff works as well as the treatments you got though.

I'd pay the 8 bones to be able to breathe without coughing.

Take a shot of whiskey if you're that bad.

I'm serious. I have really horrible asthma, and before trying high doses of vitamin C, I was taking "preventative" prescription medicine as well as my rescue inhaler on the average of 7 times every day. I struggled to breathe regularly, but especially if I had any sort of cold or flu. I learned everything I could to help me breathe.

Hot tea helps a tiny bit. Mentholatum on the chest and neck, a tiny bit too.
Nothing less than either a half a shot of something like whiskey (or my rescue inhaler) helped me to take in a decent breath. The vitamin C WILL work, you just have to give it time. It'll get to the root, while everything else just masks the symptoms for the moment.

I hope you feel better. Not breathing fully is the worst.

Kali Maa - November 6, 2009 07:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 01:17 PM)
Kali, does ultra vitamin c make the symptoms go away quicker?

I am about to go buy a fucking pallet of it.

If you take it regularly (even every few minutes) it WILL make the symptoms go away faster.

I would never preach about anything concerning health if I didn't actually try it myself.
I was NEVER about vitamins... but asthma forced me.

QUOTE
Here is a second opinion. Dr. Cathcart advocates treating pneumonia with up to 200,000 milligrams of vitamin C daily, often intravenously. You and I can simulate a 24 hour IV of Vitamin C by taking it by mouth very, very often. When I had pneumonia, it took 2,000 mg of vitamin C every six minutes to get me to saturation. My oral daily dose was over 100,000 mg. Fever, cough and other symptoms were reduced in hours; complete recovery took just a few days. Bronchitis clears up even faster. That is performance at least as good as any antibiotic will give, and the vitamin is both safer and cheaper.

Clarence Boddicker - November 6, 2009 07:24 PM (GMT)
Hot chicken soup or hot matzoh ball soup++++

Just Plain Bill - November 6, 2009 07:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 03:00 PM)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Nov 6 2009, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 12:55 PM)
Not sure about the whole government hype thing, but the more I read from you all here, the more it seems the shit is bad man, reaaally bad.

Wife, kid and I all got whacked this year.  Wife and I got the flu shot at the behest of our pediatrician.

This feels like malaria sounds.

Vitamin C, Sheik. I know that the fucking morons on this board will just ignore me... and suffer for it. But I hope YOU won't. :)

On it.

Crushing the vitamin C.

Thanks Kali.

My advice is to avoid the flu shot like a loan shark.

Crush it and snort it. Gets into the system faster. ;)








j/k

The Iron Sheik - November 6, 2009 08:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Nov 6 2009, 12:21 PM)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Nov 6 2009, 01:16 PM)
Wonder if the OTC stuff works as well as the treatments you got though.

I'd pay the 8 bones to be able to breathe without coughing.

Take a shot of whiskey if you're that bad.

I'm serious. I have really horrible asthma, and before trying high doses of vitamin C, I was taking "preventative" prescription medicine as well as my rescue inhaler on the average of 7 times every day. I struggled to breathe regularly, but especially if I had any sort of cold or flu. I learned everything I could to help me breathe.

Hot tea helps a tiny bit. Mentholatum on the chest and neck, a tiny bit too.
Nothing less than either a half a shot of something like whiskey (or my rescue inhaler) helped me to take in a decent breath. The vitamin C WILL work, you just have to give it time. It'll get to the root, while everything else just masks the symptoms for the moment.

I hope you feel better. Not breathing fully is the worst.

I don't drink and inhaling cheeba is probably not a good idea.

Going with the Vicks mentholatum and lots of vitamin c.

We only have white grape juice and apple juice in the house and a multivitamin. Just don't feel like walking to the pharmacy right now.

130% vitamin c = how many mg? Should I just pound the whole half gallon?




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