than anything else I've read in a long time.

Hopefully this trend does not continue. A nation unable or unwilling to defend itself is doomed.

Bill Maher WAS right about Americans. I don't know why people gave him so much shit about what he said. He was 100% correct.

AMERICA is great. It's Americans that stink.

Who cares about "defending America"... lately that hasn't meant what it says AT ALL.

It's the fact that these children are unhealthy that's disturbing.

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Easy to say when it isnt your job to do so I guess. Personally I dont have the luxury and must pass the torch to these kids at some point, which scares me. Whether you believe it or not our military keeps this country safe regardless of what you think of the missions they are given. The military doesnt get to pick which wars it fights.

It's in quotes, internet dater...

At this point we've neither "defended America" in Iraq OR Afghanistan.

Are you being intentionally stupid/attempting to make this thread some indictment on the operations in Iraq/Afghan? I'm not talking about nor do I wish to argue with you over those specific missions as that's not the point of this thread. The fact that our youth is either too dumb, too fat or too morally bankrupt to serve in our nations armed forces is. What you think of the OIF/OEF doesnt factor into the fact that the US Military keeps this country safe.

I apologize, CP. I didn't realize that you were on your period and felt like being a bitch.

Regardless, my point stands. You see our nations children as "future defenders of America", while I see THE CHILD. It's not all about the job YOU picked. Their health is important whether they choose to join the military or NOT.
So, their health's state is SAD.

...and yes, both wars are fucked up and I'm not really concerned whether you care to discuss it or not. It's a point I'm making. America hasn't needed to be "defended" for some time now. Get off your military high horse.

qft

Do me a favor and shut up about asians eating dogs. K? Nobody cares about that.

I think the military should accept more fat kids. It would be a good way to cull the herd.

Geography keeps America safe - the military props up friendly dictators and expands Uncle Sam's decaying economic empire.

I guess I just fail to see what your opinion of OIF/OEF has to do with what the article is talking about. Specifically that 75% of the nations youth is ineligible because of their lack of physical fitness/education/law enforcement involvement before they even get to make the choice of whether to serve their nation, and what impact that will have on our nations future. Maybe you can clarify that for me. BTW I already knew you didnt agree with our presence there so no need to expound on that point.

Right. 'Cause what I said what to "shut up". :logik:

My point is that you and the article don't actually seem to give a shit about the health of America's youth, but rather the idea that they become fit SO THAT they can serve in the military.

In this context yes. My greater concern is that as a country will be unable to defend ourselves in the future because of the lack of fitness/education/inability to abide by the law, of our youth. It's a sad commentary on the overall condition of the youth of this country.

You on the other hand seem to want to turn this into "who cares, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, blah blah blah" which has nothing to do with the overall health of our youth whether they choose to serve or not.

The reason you believe that "America has not needed defending" shows you are either naive or just willfully blind. You have that luxury I guess. Not to go all Col Jessup on you but

"Son, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. "

:B):

No. I'm not "turning this into" anything.

I've openly stated my opinion on your article and it's focus in regard to children's health. Your opinion shows absolutely no interest in the children for the children's sake, but rather because they are apparently you hope they'll shape up to become tools to "defend America".

When I put quotes around "defend America", it's because I don't view any recent/current war to live up to that definition, regardless that you need to make YOURSELF believe it for whatever reason.

I don't know what that comes from, but it doesn't hold any water in regard to my views.

I've never knocked down the military. I've always looked at the individual.
Nor have I thought it right that we continue sending people to war to die NEEDLESSLY.

I don't get the whole 'puffing out your chest to prove something' thing... maybe because I'm a woman and don't have any ego issues. Then again, neither do any of the men in my life have that problem... probably because they're not insecure.

So, keep puffing out your feathers and feeling as though your job is the only important job... the most important job.

While you're at it, I hope you're telling the garbage man, "thank you" everyday, for removing your trash. Without him, your lot would stink.

Yes you are. If not why even bring up OIF/OEF? What does that have to do with the conversation?

My concern is most definitely about the health and well being of our youth, and certainly about their ability to defend our nation in the future. The fact that you are not concerned a bit scary in and of itself. I hope that you are in the minority. The simple fact is, while you may not want to believe it, we need a certain percentage of our youth to be willing and able to take up arms against those that threaten us. If we cant find those that will or that are able this country is in deeper trouble than I think you are willing to believe. If you believe otherwise, you my friend, are bat shit crazy.

isnt it one of the same, you know,samantics.....

but hey what do i know

Yeah pretty much, but Kali wanted to turn this thread into another OIF/OEF bitch session.

naw

she just felt she had to defend her team mates

kali is a despicable cunt. :whistle:

Jeez Louise.

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I brought them up because the men and women fighting and even dying in both those wars, signed up to "Defend America".

My point still stands. I'm concerned about the health of the children FOR THE SAKE of the health of the children.

You're concerned with the health of the children for the sake of hoping they'll join the military and "defend America". :logik:

You know what semantics means, as well as you know how to spell it. :D

Oh, I see. Thanks Bill.

I'm sure that character in that movie had every "Conservative" male's panties moist. :lol:

That isnt even close to what I said Kali. The point is that 75% of our youth is currently ineligible before they get to make the choice. Of course I have a vested interest in this, I've worked in the field my entire life, so I would like to think there will be someone there who is qualified to take my place when I leave.

As far as the military defending America if you dont understand that regardless of OIF/OEF the US Military most certainly defends this nation you are just stupid.

why shoud i learn how to spell something when i have my own personal spell checker here


gosh kali, how do i get as much meaning in my life as you have being the boards spell checker