Wow.

The best part? He means it.

Shine on Lord Stern, you crazy diamond.

Quoth the Lord, "People change their notion of what is responsible. They will increasingly ask about the carbon content of their food. ”

The notion of anyone asking about carbon content of their food should rightly get them laughed into an embarrassed silence, but just what praytell does Lord Stern think plants are made of? Silicon?
I'd love to take this guy to dinner here:



Salt Lick

(drool smiley)

Now THAT made me hungry.

You have to love a place where you can get a heaping plate of ribs with a 'side order' of chicken.

:o

You know it. Looking a bit closer at the menu, I note that you can get a plate of chicken "in season". I wonder when the hell chicken season is. Maybe just after fiddler-crab season?

I saw that too. Pretty funny.

i think you have to assume he means carbon footprint, as in environmental impact.

and he's right, meat production is normally very wasteful and it does put tremendous pressure on critical limited resources like soil, water, and fuel.

no need for him to make it about global warming though, that will only confuse the issue. nor is there a need to completely eliminate meat consumption either.

but let's face it. there just aren't enough resources to sustain the global growth in meat consumption humanity has been experiencing.

but let's face it. there just aren't enough resources to sustain the global growth in meat consumption humanity has been experiencing.


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Dude, you've fallen over the edge.

which part are you disputing? the global increases in meat production and consumption over the last 50 years, or the lack of resources to sustain it?

this should be fun.

I'm not disputing either. I am more questioning when you became a one worlder, everything must be managed guy.

I guess if i were to question something, it would be the sustainability aspect.

i'm not saying everything must be managed. but with so many people many things must be. particularly resources, and especially ones that are limited, stressed, degraded, and/or improperly valued.

it amazes me how people are able to convince themselves that current resource use and consumption patterns as sustainable. or they grudgingly admit there are "issues" but they claim technology will come to the rescue. please don't tell me you're one of those technology will save us assholes.

Might I suggest Lord Stern donate himself to this food shortage experiment?

He's the perfect guy for it.

Maybe he can convince all his lunatic buddies to sign up with him.

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No.

I'm one of those good world war, massive famine, global pandemic will save us assholes.

;)

Climate change is just another lever for the same old busybodies to run people's lives.

This Lord Stern douchebag explains that his tastes and philosophy have changed since he was a student, and apparently assumes therefore he has the right to dictate everyone else's choices.

No surprise that global warming nutjobs want to use this as an excuse to gain control and power for their idea of a benevolent despotism.

Yes, well, he's enlightened now, you see? He knows better than you, so you should not only willingly but happily give up eating meat. It's for the good of the planet, Clarence. Don't you love your planet?

that wasn't his point at all. imagine that, you completely misconstruing and misrepresenting something.

He predicted that people’s attitudes would evolve until meat eating became unacceptable. “I think it’s important that people think about what they are doing and that includes what they are eating,” he said. “I am 61 now and attitudes towards drinking and driving have changed radically since I was a student. People change their notion of what is responsible. They will increasingly ask about the carbon content of their food.”

his point was obviously that societal attitudes towards drinking and driving have changed since he was a student, so similar progress can and will be made on other fronts.

now respond with your usual irrationality and impertinence.

I don't see evidence supporting this. It takes a lot of high sulfur diesel to process soybean. I find it hard to believe that collective cow farts exceed that.

Plus, it's a false choice. The majority of the carbon footprint in food is derived from transportation and manufacturing. Crop selection would do little to lower those factors.

The solution is in locally produced foods.

Except drinking and driving never was a big factor in our intelligence and eventual ascension to the top of the animal kingdom. Meat consumption was.

Lazy and inaccurate analogy.

Except for the fact that there is absolutely nothing that shows any correlation between societal attitudes towards drinking/driving and meat consumption, Lord Stern is right on.

But hey, why worry about facts when you can promote sensationalistic bullshit, right, Sadus?




What an absolute load of crap. No surprise that you think it has any merit whatsoever.


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where was that claim even made?

stern (or at least the article) weakens his position by making climate change the fulcrum. as i said, there is no need to do that, it muddies the discussion. the REAL argument is centered on resources.

that's part of the solution. it'll help, but it's not nearly enough.

it's not my analogy, and i don't think everyone needs to go all vegan. i was just explaining it to clarence. as usual, he was all wrapped up in fallacies.