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Title: Muslim runs down daughter for rejecting
Description: "Iraqi values"


joetheismansleg - October 24, 2009 02:29 PM (GMT)
Faleh Hassan Almaleki is still at large. This story doesn't add much to what we already know, but it does typify the lengths to which the mainstream media will go in order to avoid saying anything negative about Islam. The "Iraqi values" that involve honor killings are shared, judging from recent cases, by Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, and Pakistanis. What do all those groups have in common? Hmmm, I can't think of anything! Of course, none of this could have anything to do with the fact that a father who kills his child incurs no penalty under Islamic law. A manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).

In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In accord with this, in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."

An update on this story. "Man accused of running over daughter in Peoria still on loose," by Lesley Wright for The Arizona Republic, October 22 (thanks to James):

Peoria police continued Thursday to look for a Glendale man of Iraqi descent who is alleged to have run over his daughter and another woman in a Peoria parking lot Tuesday.
Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 48, is accused of striking his daughter Noor Almaleki, 20, sending her to a trauma center with life-threatening injuries. Police said her condition had not changed Thursday.

The other woman struck was Amal Edan Khalaf, 43, who was less severely hurt....

A police spokesman said Tuesday that the father reportedly was upset that his daughter had become too Westernized and was rejecting traditional Iraqi values.

Faleh Almaleki was driving a grey or silver 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Arizona license plate ADS-9192. Anyone with information should call Silent Witness or the Peoria Police Tip Line at 623-773-7045.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/arizona-...aqi-values.html

ChampsX5 - October 24, 2009 10:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (joetheismansleg @ Oct 24 2009, 09:29 AM)
A police spokesman said Tuesday that the father reportedly was upset that his daughter had become too Westernized and was rejecting traditional Iraqi values.

When those "values" allow for the killing of your children and/or grandchildren, they should be rejected.

The Iron Sheik - October 25, 2009 02:44 AM (GMT)
Y'all er cuzzin's ain't ye?

wildhare - October 25, 2009 03:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 24 2009, 07:44 PM)
Y'all er cuzzin's ain't ye?

So, this story (and those just like it), don't bother you on some level?

ChampsX5 - October 25, 2009 06:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildhare @ Oct 24 2009, 10:41 PM)
So, this story (and those just like it), don't bother you on some level?

It's not that it doesn't bother him. It's just that white people bother him more than Muslims who run over their children with a car in the name of their religion.

Kali Maa - October 25, 2009 03:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ChampsX5 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:48 AM)
It's not that it doesn't bother him. It's just that he's not a redneck asshole, like myself, Prowl, Oak and Joe - who pretend that lunatics only join the religion of Islam, and not any part of Christianity.

You see... we're not actually concerned with the tragically injured woman in this story - as she's "brown".  We just like being outraged at all things that don't mirror us.

Fixed. :D

The Iron Sheik - October 25, 2009 04:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildhare @ Oct 24 2009, 08:41 PM)
So, this story (and those just like it), don't bother you on some level?

That's exactly it wildhare. Two bigots indicting all Muslims is not the issue, it's not jihadwatch's racist slant, non-Arabic interpretations of a 7th century religious text either.


It's about whether I am bothered by some psycho who tried ran over his daughter. That kind of shit never bothers me . . . . . :logik:

wildhare - October 25, 2009 05:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 25 2009, 09:38 AM)
That's exactly it wildhare. Two bigots indicting all Muslims is not the issue, it's not jihadwatch's racist slant, non-Arabic interpretations of a 7th century religious text either.


It's about whether I am bothered by some psycho who tried ran over his daughter. That kind of shit never bothers me . . . . . :logik:

Miss the point more. Just once I would like to see you (and several others here) stop dealing with the messenger and respond to the message. You aren't going to change Joe or his opinions anymore than I can get Prowl to have better taste in music. Your response to them was no better than what was written because you maintain that you hold yourself to a higher plain. If your goal was to lower yourself to that level, then "mission accomplished".

Go ahead, just once come out and say that a Muslum is in the wrong.

The Iron Sheik - October 25, 2009 06:15 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I lowered myself to their level. Appreciate the lesson on principles.


Why don't you engage them on jihad watch and the reduction of the Muslim world to the actions of one person?

Look at the source. Why do you take jihad watch at face value?

A Glendale man of Iraqi descent . . .gotta be a Muslim right?


Step off the soap box and do some research on the facts.



QUOTE
The "Iraqi values" that involve honor killings are shared, judging from recent cases, by Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, and Pakistanis.


Iraqi values . . . it's not racist. It's not reductive and bigoted.


Clarence Boddicker - October 25, 2009 07:17 PM (GMT)
Look at Sheik defending the subjugation of women under Sharia law.

Adorable.

The Iron Sheik - October 25, 2009 08:52 PM (GMT)
Defending.

We know he is Iraqi and he went psycho because he felt his daughter was too "westernized."

No idea what his motive is but because he is Iraqi he is automagically a Muslim and follower of Sharia law.



ChampsX5 - October 26, 2009 12:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Oct 25 2009, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (ChampsX5 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:48 AM)
It's not that it doesn't bother him. It's just that he's not a redneck asshole, like myself, Prowl, Oak and Joe - who pretend that lunatics only join the religion of Islam, and not any part of Christianity.

You see... we're not actually concerned with the tragically injured woman in this story - as she's "brown".  We just like being outraged at all things that don't mirror us.

Fixed. :D

Tell you what...

The first time I call out all Muslims instead of individual instances, you let me know. Otherwise, you're no better than what you falsely accuse me of.

Clarence Boddicker - October 26, 2009 04:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 25 2009, 01:52 PM)
Defending.

We know he is Iraqi and he went psycho because he felt his daughter was too "westernized."

No idea what his motive is but because he is Iraqi he is automagically a Muslim and follower of Sharia law.

You're right. Americans run down their kids all the time for becoming "too westernized".

:lol:

Something tells me this guy isn't a Chaldean arab, Sheik. I grew up with Chaldean arabs for 22 years back east, and none of them ever acted like this.

And since there's a dearth of Christians and Catholics and Athiests and Bhuddists and Zoroastrians in Iraq, please tell us what religion he belongs to when he attempts do something that muslims have been doing to women and using sharia law to legitimize it for centuries.

Not a lot of honor killings in any other religions the world over, fella.

This appears to be just that. An attempted honor killing.

The Iron Sheik - October 27, 2009 03:09 AM (GMT)
Islam strictly prohibits the killing of innocent people.

[17:33] Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)

Is David Koresh a Christian? What about Jim Jones?

This psycho is definitely a Muslim . . . . :blink:

Clarence Boddicker - October 27, 2009 03:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 26 2009, 08:09 PM)
Islam strictly prohibits the killing of innocent people.


Yes. You and I know that. That's a given.

But religious fundamentalists don't really give a fuck about those "rules". Extremist Muslims kill Moderate muslims. Extremist Christians kill moderate Christians.

And so on and so forth.

Clarence Boddicker - October 27, 2009 03:16 AM (GMT)
The guy's two daughters? Muslim.

But yeah, i'm sure he's not a extremist muslim, Sheik. Those Christian honor killings are just so predominant in today's world.

:rolleyes:

ChampsX5 - October 27, 2009 04:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 26 2009, 10:09 PM)
Islam strictly prohibits the killing of innocent people.

[17:33] Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)

Is David Koresh a Christian? What about Jim Jones?

This psycho is definitely a Muslim . . . . :blink:

Radicals don't think of those they kill as "humans". They're infidels and they cite the Koran when claiming it is their duty to kill.

This is not new.

Kali Maa - October 27, 2009 08:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wildhare @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM)
Miss the point more.  Just once I would like to see you (and several othershere) stop dealing with the messenger and respond to the message.  You aren't going to change Joe or his opinions anymore than I can get Prowl to have better taste in music.  Your response to them was no better than what was written because you maintain that you hold yourself to a higher plain.  If your goal was to lower yourself to that level, then "mission accomplished".

Go ahead, just once come out and say that a Muslum is in the wrong.

That's like asking an intelligent person to go to a Klan rally and tell a tale of when a black person did something hateful.

Why give the assholes any more reason to jerk off to their cross burning?

ChampsX5 - October 27, 2009 09:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Oct 27 2009, 03:43 PM)
QUOTE (wildhare @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM)
Miss the point more.  Just once I would like to see you (and several othershere) stop dealing with the messenger and respond to the message.  You aren't going to change Joe or his opinions anymore than I can get Prowl to have better taste in music.  Your response to them was no better than what was written because you maintain that you hold yourself to a higher plain.  If your goal was to lower yourself to that level, then "mission accomplished".

Go ahead, just once come out and say that a Muslum is in the wrong.

That's like asking an intelligent person to go to a Klan rally and tell a tale of when a black person did something hateful.

Why give the assholes any more reason to jerk off to their cross burning?

Yeah, you're worth the time.

Chin - October 27, 2009 09:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Oct 27 2009, 03:43 PM)
QUOTE (wildhare @ Oct 25 2009, 11:30 AM)
Miss the point more.  Just once I would like to see you (and several othershere) stop dealing with the messenger and respond to the message.  You aren't going to change Joe or his opinions anymore than I can get Prowl to have better taste in music.  Your response to them was no better than what was written because you maintain that you hold yourself to a higher plain.  If your goal was to lower yourself to that level, then "mission accomplished".

Go ahead, just once come out and say that a Muslum is in the wrong.

That's like asking an intelligent person to go to a Klan rally and tell a tale of when a black person did something hateful.

Why give the assholes any more reason to jerk off to their cross burning?

Klan crosses are not 'burnt'.

They are 'lit'

It's a cross 'lighting'.

Just sayin. ;)

Harrison Bergeron - October 28, 2009 07:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Oct 27 2009, 01:43 PM)

That's like asking an intelligent person to go to a Klan rally and tell a tale of when a black person did something hateful.

Why give the assholes any more reason to jerk off to their cross burning?

But this isn't a clan rally. This is Political Deathmatch, an internet message board where Joe and Prowl's right to offend you is protected exactly as much as your right to offend them.


And those guys don't NEED any "more reason" to "jerk off to their cross burning." More or less "reason" won't make a lick-bit of difference to their crucifixophilia. Whatever they do or don't do, whatever their response may or may not be, should have no effect on your willingness and ability to recognize and acknowledge facts. Truth is truth, whether or not it seems to "help" dingbats like Prowling make their case.

Kali Maa - October 28, 2009 06:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Harrison Bergeron @ Oct 28 2009, 01:11 AM)
But this isn't a clan rally. This is Political Deathmatch, an internet message board where Joe and Prowl's right to offend you is protected exactly as much as your right to offend them.


And those guys don't NEED any "more reason" to "jerk off to their cross burning." More or less "reason" won't make a lick-bit of difference to their crucifixophilia. Whatever they do or don't do, whatever their response may or may not be, should have no effect on your willingness and ability to recognize and acknowledge facts. Truth is truth, whether or not it seems to "help" dingbats like Prowling make their case.

I'm not offended by them... rather, I'm numb to their bigotry - fueled by anything and everything regardless that logical people have previously gone out of their way to explain it to them as if they were preschool children.

Should I be logical in every thread, pointing out their everlasting ignorance in regard to race/religion/sexual orientation - as they stick their fingers in their ears and shout, "LA LA LA LA LA!"?


How I speak, very much is affected by whom I am speaking to/with.
I would not speak the same way to an emotionally ignorant bigot, as I would speak to a thoughtful individual who intended on having an actual discussion on the matter.

Neither would you, unless you wanted to waste your time.

bearsfan8558 - October 29, 2009 06:17 AM (GMT)
Have you ever displayed any bigotry here Kali ?

Kali Maa - October 30, 2009 12:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (bearsfan8558 @ Oct 29 2009, 12:17 AM)
Have you ever displayed any bigotry here Kali ?

Probably... right toward the bigots.

I think a taste of their own medicine is a definite good thing.

disinterested_observer - November 3, 2009 01:31 AM (GMT)
The girl just died.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-natio....Woman.Assault/

They caught the father, as well. Hope they fry the bastard.

disinterested_observer - November 3, 2009 01:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Oct 25 2009, 01:15 PM)
Yeah, I lowered myself to their level.  Appreciate the lesson on principles.


Why don't you engage them on jihad watch and the reduction of the Muslim world to the actions of one person?

Look at the source.  Why do you take jihad watch at face value?

A Glendale man of Iraqi descent . . .gotta be a Muslim right?


Step off the soap box and do some research on the facts.





Iraqi values . . . it's not racist.  It's not reductive and bigoted.

QUOTE
By his own admission, this was an intentional act and the reason was that his daughter had brought shame on him and his family," Low said. "This was an attempt at an honor killing."


http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-natio....Woman.Assault/


But there's no indication that they are Muslim, right, sheiky baby?


Now, do your best USTARD imitation, sheik. It's all you got.

:<_<:

Kali Maa - November 5, 2009 08:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ChampsX5 @ Oct 27 2009, 03:13 PM)
Yeah, you're worth the time.

You're replying to me... aren't you. :D

Kali Maa - November 5, 2009 08:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (disinterested_observer @ Nov 2 2009, 07:35 PM)
But there's no indication that they are Muslim, right, sheiky baby?


Now, do your best USTARD imitation, sheik. It's all you got.

:<_<:

Try to stay with the flow of things here, Creep.

Your little posse enjoys pointing at the religion of Islam as a means for all things negative. As though the actions don't have anything to do with the lunatics acting on them.

The point of the thinking side of the board is... It's not the religion itself, it's the religious NUTS interpreting shit in a way that allows for them to behave like shit.

It goes for ALL RELIGIONS.

disinterested_observer - November 6, 2009 02:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Nov 5 2009, 03:08 PM)
QUOTE (disinterested_observer @ Nov 2 2009, 07:35 PM)
But there's no indication that they are Muslim, right, sheiky baby?


Now, do your best USTARD imitation, sheik. It's all you got.

:<_<:

Try to stay with the flow of things here, Creep.

Your little posse enjoys pointing at the religion of Islam as a means for all things negative. As though the actions don't have anything to do with the lunatics acting on them.

The point of the thinking side of the board is... It's not the religion itself, it's the religious NUTS interpreting shit in a way that allows for them to behave like shit.

It goes for ALL RELIGIONS.

Another braindead post from kali.


How surprising.......







not.




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