are gonna whine about today?

The Refs. Go check the ESPN boards. I think they just cut and paste from week to week.

A crappy kick after a huge comeback and a great quarterback duel..............impressive game for both teams

not so impressive for the vikings. their defense, especially pass defemse, didn't look so good.
and it's pass defense more than rush d that matters.

Defensivly it wasnt impressive for either team. Whether your team gives up 31 or 33 I dont think anyone would say it was a good outing for the D.

I would say loss was worse for the Raven's than it would have been for the Vikes. They have dropped 3 straight now, and for a team that hangs it's hat on having dominent D's year in and year out their D has been very suspect the entire season.

The Ravens are in a transition away from hanging their hat only their D. Flacco and Rice are making them a much more dangerous team.

They lost 3 in a row that were highly winnable........refs gave the game to the Pats, Ravens self destructed with penalties vs bungles and a missed field goal against the Vikings. Right now they are just barely underachieving; nothing to make me worry about the big the picture. The D is weaker, but the offense is many many many more times improved.

There's no doubt that the O is vastly improved, that said the D has swung (seemingly) as far into the bad column as the O has into to good. You need balance on both sides of the ball to win championships, and I would argue the D is more important, which has shown itself in the last 2 games. Put up a ton of points but if the D is swiss cheese it doesnt matter.

The D is still way above average so I'm not worried. I dont think there is anyway you can argue the D has declined anywhere near as much as the O has improved. Horrific officiating, penalty meltdown and allowing 30 pts from Favre and Adrian Peterson are not signs of a bad defense.

The Ravens should have kept Leonard instead of letting him slip away to the Jets. Otherwise, they are doing fine.

The biggest problem with the defense is the same problem they've had for a a few seasons, just worse now that McAllister and Leonard are gone, their secondary. Pass attacks have always been their weakness and run defense continues to be their strength. Nothing to get worried about

Dude they are giving up and AVG of over 20 pts a game. that's a HUGE drop off for that D.

They are top 10 on run D. Their secondary got worse, but that was always their weakness and nothing new to anyone who has been paying attention.

Yes, the D is CONTINUING its gradual decline but overall the team is wildly improved. Also, the D normally starts out slow each season and clamps down as the season wears on.

3 perfectly winnable games barely slipped away early in the season. Not worried.

Just looked it up. 19.4, and thats with almost pitching a shut out against the Browns and also playing the Chiefs. Last year they avg 15 pts a game (2nd in the NFL). The Ravens have maybe 3 "gimme" games left on their schedule. Browns, Detroit, and Oakland. Other than that they play
Cinci in cinci
Pitt X2
Indy
Chicago
GB at GB
and Denver.

If the secondary doesnt get it's shit together they are going to lose the majority of those games.

FYI, the O avg 24pt/game last year 27 this year. The difference is greater on the D side of the ball, and not in a good way.

The O had Flacco last season as well.......when I say the O is improved I'm talking Flacco years, not just this season.

They need to improve the secondary especially after losing Leonard. But there is no way they lose most of those coming games. Cinci is a fluke that will evaporate, GB and Chicago are not contenders. Pitt and Denver are the only ones that will be tough.

Ravens are an 9-7 or 8-8 team.

Book it.

Seriously? You dont think Indy is a threat? You dont think P Manning is going to destroy the Raven secondary? I never said they would definitely lose all those games but if their secondary doesnt improve drastically I would say they lose at least 80% of them. You will be facing B Roth, who's having a great year throwing the football, P Manning having a career year, A Rodgers who is also lighting it up, Cutler who while schizo sometimes has the ability to torch defenses, and an extremely tough Denver D. Not to mention Cinci who has already beaten the Raven's in Baltimore this year. Why you think the Raven's win the majority of those games playing like they are now is beyond me.

Denver's winning streak certainly came to a screeching halt.......their mini-belicheat coach looked like he might cry there at the end as Orton futily tried to put a few points on the board in the last 3 seconds, even though he was down by 23.


Of all those teams, Indy is the biggest threat and always has been. Rather than continue explaining why I think the Ravens win the majority of those games, I'll just let you figure it out for yourself as it happens. :P

So they are 1-3 over the last 5 weeks. Im supposed to be impressed? They played a good game today and their D didnt fall apart in the 4th quarter today like it had been over the last few weeks. Still not sure why you think they win the majority of the games against, Pitt, Indy, Cinci, Packers, and Chicago. They have 3 "easy" games over the next 9 weeks. BTW they are 50% since I made that post, going into Cinci off a bye in Cinci's house. If you look at the Raven's schedule so far they have struggled against good QB's, they will face 6 in the next 9 weeks.

1-2 since my post, 1-2 in the division, 4-4 on the year, 9-7 the best they can hope for this season.

You were saying???

Choke on it space mutt.

Sweeeeeeeeeep.

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1-1 brainiac. You posted your prediction and list of teams on 10/19. Ravens win the majority of those. GB and Chicago are gimmes. Then the Ravens beat Pitt once and your prognostication is wrong.


Humoring you, your 1-2 were both losses thanks to the field goal kicker. The Ravens achilles heal seems to be that piece of shit Hauschka who can't hit a 38 yarder.

Damn you


Cinci will still evaporate, except now it will be in the playoffs.

That and the porous secondary they keep trotting out week in and week out.

BTW how is it the FG kickers fault when you lose by 10? Did he miss 4 FG's yesterday?

The Raven's are done this year. Deal with it. The best record they can hope for is 9-7. They lose to the Colts the Steelers at least once and either Chicago, or GB.

They had the lead with 3 to go, the D let the Vikes drive the field and retake the lead. Missing a desparation 44 yd FG isnt all on the kicker.

Eh, I don't know about that. Neither of those teams looks very impressive right now, Chicago is in disarray and GB's O-line is awful. I can only imagine how eagerly the Ravens' front seven must be to play against them. Both of those seem like very winnable games for Baltimore, even if their D isn't on the same level it used to be.

44 yards should be hit more often than it is missed. Watch Hauschka's kicks; it is obvious why Denver released him and he's only 8/11 this year. His missed field goal against Cinci sucked away all the momentum, not to mention failing to turn the game into a 1 score game. The game wasn't necessarily lost until he hooked that kick.

The Ravens secondary has been my concern and is more of a concern after last game. Ed Reed is trying arm tackles when he normally would destroy the ball carrier; I think there is a good chance he retires after this season. Not letting Leonard slip away to the Jets with Rex Ryan would probably have been the difference in a lot of these losses.

Normally I would agree with you but if you look at who the Ravens are losing to it's teams with good QB's. Cinci X2, Pats, and Vikes.

Rodgers is having a good year and though Cutler is hit or miss he has the ability to light up a defense.

For whatever reason the Ravens cant seem to put 2 good season together in a row. I fully expect them to be back in the hunt next year.

But those teams also have good O-lines, something the Bears and Packers don't have. Also, neither of those teams has a very impressive defense right now.

It's possible Cutler will have one of his good games, and lead the Bears to an improbable victory, but it's just as likely he'll throw three or more interceptions trying to force passes into double and triple coverage.

The Ravens should be able to score on both of those teams, and should be able to sack Rodgers multiple times while forcing him to scramble and throw the ball away a bunch more. Barring an exceptional game from Cutler, I'd expect the Ravens to win both those matchups at this point.

Maybe. We shall see I guess. Either way the Ravens dont make the PO's this year, without other teams imploding.

Raven won a game against the Chargers that they should have lost. Ravens could easily be 3-5 right now and not 4-4 had Norv Turner not had his head up his ass.

That is probably true.

Ravens drop another. Too bad the fucking Steeler's decided to not play in the second half of the Chiefs game.

Barely lost to the Colts in a game nobody expected them to have a prayer in. Steelers cough one up to the Chiefs............looks like the Ravens still have hope.

"Did you ever have a dream or two...........?"

WTF does that mean anyway? Barely lost? Does that factor in somehow at the end of the year? The Steeler's losing their game today kept the Ravens in the hunt for a WC I guess but they still have to play the Steeler's twice (which I figure they will split) and still have to play the Packer and Bears which I think are going to be tougher games than you think. The reality is neither the Steelers and especially the Ravens can really afford to drop another game.

The Ravs are a game behind 4 teams atm (could be 5 if Houston wins tmw), and even with 1 for a WC berth. I get it you are a Ravens fan and homer. Face facts, the Ravens are likely done, and every game I said they would lose they have lost so far. .

DENVER

You have very selective memory.



Homerism is thinking a loss to the lowly Chiefs isnt worlds more destructive than a surprisingly good game against the Colts where the Ravens controlled the game and shut down Manning. When the Ravens cough one up to a 2-7 team I'll be concerned about a lurking fundamental problem.

I never said the Ravens would lose to Denver only that the Denver D WAS playing well. My prediction was that they would lose to Cinci, Colts at least 1 to Pit and either the Packers or Bears game. My point is/was that the Baltimore secondary cant contain a good QB. My point is/was that the Ravens have to play 4-5 of the top 10 QB's in the league this season and their prospect of beating them given their proformance so far this year isnt good. We will see I guess, They've now lost to Palmer and Manning since I made that prediction. Just Roth X2 and Rodgers to go. If they drop 2 of those 3 they are done, with no chance of making the post season, it's likely they dont make it if they drop 1 of their last 6.

Manning was shut down and the Ravens controlled the game....too bad the offense couldnt get into the endzone despite numerous chances. Yet again, a missed field goal was the difference although this kicker finally did more good than harm.

At this point, neither the Ravens nor the Steelers has a good chance, but after yesterday the Ravens look like the better team.


Your prediction keeps mutating so here's a reminder of what you said so hopefully you'll stop trying to tweak it; 1-2 by my count:

Face it couch, yesterday was very close to being a big unexpected win for the Ravens.........the Steelers collapsed.

I didnt predict a loss to Denver in what you quoted only that the Ravens would lose the majority of those games. Which btw has happened, unless the fucked up schooling in Baltimore has you believing that 1-2 isnt a majority of losses.

I still believe that the Ravens will drop at least one game to Pittsburgh, and the game to either GB or the Bears. Which would be 3-4 and a majority of losses.

:thumb:



Good, now we're on the same page again with a score of 1-2. You better be careful about that education comment, I went to college in Steelers country.


BTW, you didnt originally predict this either:

But you did mention this.........all other predictions conveniently came after the Ravens had beaten Denver. Quoting you never gets old