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joetheismansleg - September 3, 2009 11:40 AM (GMT)
A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.

Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality.

In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."

At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.

Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.

"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."

One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."

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OakBan - September 3, 2009 12:17 PM (GMT)
but as long as none of them had smoke blown in their face or were waterboarded its ok.


Kali Maa - September 4, 2009 06:07 AM (GMT)
:lol: :lol: :lol: The two of you are so ruined, it's hilarious.

joetheismansleg - September 4, 2009 11:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Sep 3 2009, 10:07 PM)
:lol: :lol: :lol: The two of you are so ruined, it's hilarious.

kali condones the raping and torturing of women as long as it's done by muslims :yup:

OakBan - September 4, 2009 12:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (joetheismansleg @ Sep 4 2009, 03:51 AM)
kali condones the raping and torturing of women as long as it's done by muslims :yup:

and we are 'ruined!'

don't worry, according to her, if it wasn't done by them it would have happened anyhow

Kali Maa - September 4, 2009 08:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (joetheismansleg @ Sep 4 2009, 05:51 AM)
I'm only outraged over the raping and torturing of women when it's done by muslims :yup:

Fixed. :D

Kali Maa - September 4, 2009 08:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (OakBan @ Sep 4 2009, 06:17 AM)
and we are 'ruined!'

Agreed... you're both ruined. :D

Space Monkey - September 4, 2009 08:45 PM (GMT)
Kali is just in to this kind of thing

Kali Maa - September 6, 2009 05:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Space Monkey @ Sep 4 2009, 02:45 PM)
Kali is just in to this kind of thing

How's that, genius?

Chin - September 6, 2009 05:46 PM (GMT)
Perhaps the ACLU could bring a suit in the Ninth Circus Court of...oh, wait...

Nevermind.

They have a right to their religious beliefs and practices.

I'm sorry for being so insensitive.

Kali Maa - September 6, 2009 05:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 11:46 AM)
Perhaps the ACLU could bring a suit in the Ninth Circus Court of...oh, wait...

Nevermind.

They have a right to their religious beliefs and practices.

I'm sorry for being so insensitive.

Your sarcasm is noted...

This is disturbing to anyone with a conscience - but let's not pretend that our own back yards aren't in need of some work, before traipsing into the yards of our neighbors to point at what needs cleaning.

Chin - September 6, 2009 05:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Sep 6 2009, 12:53 PM)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 11:46 AM)
Perhaps the ACLU could bring a suit in the Ninth Circus Court of...oh, wait...

Nevermind.

They have a right to their religious beliefs and practices.

I'm sorry for being so insensitive.

Your sarcasm is noted...

This is disturbing to anyone with a conscience - but let's not pretend that our own back yards aren't in need of some work, before traipsing into the yards of our neighbors to point at what needs cleaning.

I don't think anyone said our stoop was completely clean.

We just don't allow state sanctioned rape of virgins.

Kali Maa - September 6, 2009 05:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 11:56 AM)
I don't think anyone said our stoop was completely clean.

We just don't allow state sanctioned rape of virgins.

No... "we" don't. I'm happy about that. Still, we have much to work on... don't you think?

Chin - September 6, 2009 06:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Sep 6 2009, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 11:56 AM)
I don't think anyone said our stoop was completely clean.

We just don't allow state sanctioned rape of virgins.

No... "we" don't. I'm happy about that. Still, we have much to work on... don't you think?

Sure.

You and I probably just disagree on what it actually is that needs work.

OakBan - September 6, 2009 06:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Sep 6 2009, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 11:56 AM)
I don't think anyone said our stoop was completely clean.

We just don't allow state sanctioned rape of virgins.

No... "we" don't. I'm happy about that. Still, we have much to work on... don't you think?

Sure.

You and I probably just disagree on what it actually is that needs work.

thats easy----

give each of these people chicken and vitamin C ---


Kali Maa - September 6, 2009 06:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 12:00 PM)
Sure.

You and I probably just disagree on what it actually is that needs work.

Maybe so... but I'm willing to acknowledge that in both of us, our drive comes from the thought that we're doing what's right for the country we want to live in.

Chin - September 6, 2009 06:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kali Maa @ Sep 6 2009, 01:02 PM)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 12:00 PM)
Sure.

You and I probably just disagree on what it actually is that needs work.

Maybe so... but I'm willing to acknowledge that in both of us, our drive comes from the thought that we're doing what's right for the country we want to live in.

That remains to be seen.

The Iron Sheik - September 6, 2009 06:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 10:46 AM)
Perhaps the ACLU could bring a suit in the Ninth Circus Court of...oh, wait...

Nevermind.

They have a right to their religious beliefs and practices.

I'm sorry for being so insensitive.

You accepted the article at face value.


You do that a lot.

Chin - September 6, 2009 06:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Iron Sheik @ Sep 6 2009, 01:15 PM)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 10:46 AM)
Perhaps the ACLU could bring a suit in the Ninth Circus Court of...oh, wait...

Nevermind.

They have a right to their religious beliefs and practices.

I'm sorry for being so insensitive.

You accepted the article at face value.


You do that a lot.

I made a reference to the righteous indignation in another thread to point out the selective outrage of certain posters.

You missed the connection.

You do that a lot.

Kali Maa - September 6, 2009 07:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chin @ Sep 6 2009, 12:17 PM)
I made a reference to the righteous indignation in another thread to point out the selective outrage of certain posters.


...all while missing the selective outrage of certain posters in THIS very thread. ;) :D

Chin - September 6, 2009 07:43 PM (GMT)
There already seemed enough people who had taken up that mantle. :<_<:




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