As a Viking. Anyone else getting tired of this drama queen?

I like the guy, I like this move. Even at 40, he's better than half the QBs out there.

O yeah. I don't mind him wanting to keep playing, for as long as he feels he's able and there's a team willing to give him a contract. But I sure am sick of his constant yes-no-maybe-so drama queen routine.

I like old good-to-great QBs trying to squeeze a few more wins-Warren Moon, Cunningham, Esiason to name a few-kind of a nostalgia thing. But yeah, watching Favre and the press milk each other every year is infuriating. BTW, as far as money and expected performance goes, Vick to Philly is a better deal for the Eagles.

I wouldn't trade away Favre for McNadd and Vick combined.

Up above I mentioned that Favre is better than half the QBs out there. McNadd and Vick are easily in that group.

McNabb is a top-5 QB in the NFL. The only reason you don't acknowledge that is because he's black. Any non-racist with half a brain would trade Favre for McNabb, and know they got the better end of the deal by a wide margin.

No. The only reason YOU choose to overestimate McNadd is because he's black.

McNadd may be the best of the current crop of black QBs, but that's not much of an accomplishment. That's why geezers like Kerry, Garcia and Favre are not only in demand, but starting.

Then why do I not tout Vick or Tavares Jackson? Favre is an upgrade over Jackson and Rosenfels, for sure, but only a brainless racist nitwit would say that Favre is better than McNabb at this point. It's just such a blatantly stupid thing to say.

There's not coach in the NFL who wouldn't trade Kerry, Garcia, or Favre for McNabb without thinking twice. Nor is there a coach in the NFL who would trade McNabb for one of those guys.

Note, also, that Russell is still the starter in Oakland, Garcia's only there to provide a veteran backup in case he gets hurt. If he DOES wind up starting, he won't fare any better than any other QB in recent Raiders history, due to the miserable suckiness of their O-line, and dysfunctional nature of their organization as a whole.

Top 10. Not top 5. jmo

Yeah? Who's ahead of him, then? I got Brady and Peyton Manning as the top two, easy picks. Big Ben is in there. Then McNabb and Rivers. Matt Ryan may well be there soon, but I'll wait and see him keep up the good work for a few more seasons. Drew Brees is good, but I'd still take McNabb over him. Eli Manning, not in the top 5, not yet anyways.

(FWIW, ESPN's Scouts Inc has McNabb at eight, behind not only Brees and Manning, but Carson Palmer and fer chrissakes, Matt Cassell. I'd definitely rate McNabb ahead of all of those guys.)

I like your top 5 but I'd substitute Brees over McNabb.

I'd take a healthy Carson Palmer over McNabb.

Call me crazy, but I'd take Warner over McNabb.

Like I said, its jmo.

:blink: Wow, you really ARE crazy...

Brady
Peyton
Eli
Warner
Big Ben
Flacco
Matt Ryan
Rivers
Palmer
Collins
Favre


McNabb is getting old, a proven choker and not even top 11. Hell, if Vick comes back quickly he could be better. No coach in their right mind would choose McNabb over some of the talented up and coming guys. McNabb has peaked, and it wasnt terribly impressive.

Warner has a super bowl win and took the AZ Cardinals of all teams to the super bowl. McNabb doesnt compare to that.

So does Trent Dilfer. And I don't really know how much of AZ's SB run should be credited to Warner. He had a great end to the season, obviously, but he's nearly done. Larry Fitzgerald is definitely one of those WRs who makes a QB's job much, much easier, and their defense really played well over that stretch as well. Well see what happens this year, but I think that run was probably of the "lightening in a bottle" variety, and they'll finish third in their division, behind SEA and SF. Won't surprise me at all if Leinart winds up starting by the end of the season.

Note, also, that I'm talking about who's better right now. Even if you want to make the argument that Warner has had the better overall career, McNabb can do more for you right now than he can.

:rofl:

If you think that Favre, at this point, is better than McNabb, then you really should stop watching a sport you know nothing about. Kerry Collins?!? Seriously?!? Holy guacamole, wtf are you smoking, and where can I NOT get some?!?

That remains to be seen. So far I have no reason to put money on McNabb over Warner.

Collins took the Giants to the Super Bowl and led a suprising Titans last season. Neither Warner nor Collins have had the luxury of having a team built around them like McNabb, yet they both have managed to be successful.

I'll give you Favre though, only because he's old as dirt.

Sweet jesus, where to begin.

Eli 3rd? Guy had a good year last year, a nice run in the playoffs, and that's it. And his career last year still isn't as good as McNabb's while McNabb is supposedly on the decline.

Flacco? Why am I even answering that? He might get there someday, but he's still firmly in the ultra-restrained "don't fuck up" stage of his early career. Matt Ryan at least had a stronger year where he was allowed to do more, but it was only 1 year.
Rivers is almost in the same boat as Ryan, though I trust him a little more. AS far as I'm concerned, Palmer, at this stage is Daunte Culpepper in 2006, only the great year right before the injury wasn't as great. Favre had one resurgent year, the rest of recent history suggests average to disaster. Collins has the same number of conferences championships as McNabb, but significantly fewer otehr playoff accomplishments, let alone regular season.

I'd put McNabb battling Rivers and Warner for 4-5-6, behind P Manning, Brady, Brees, and Ben (he might be in that mix too).

Brady is a cheater

Rivers is overrated

Getting tired of him?

Regards,
Me three years ago

Warner should get a lot of credit for the Cards' run last year. Remember, that offense couldn't do dick with Fatty Matty Leinart at the helm.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?s...son=2&year=2008

End of this silly QB debate. Oh and you're welcome.

Didn't look all that great with Warner at the helm either, excepting their post-season run.

McNabb took the Eagles to the NFCC five years in a row, and the SB once. I suppose you'll be telling me that Marino sucked too, since he never won one? You want to talk about a "choker"? How 'bout Peyton "regular season" Manning? Yeah, he won one, and he played exactly one half of good football that entire playoffs.

The Eagles aren't "built around McNabb". If you build a team around a QB, you need receivers. For whatever reason, the Eagles have not seen fit to get good receivers for McNabb to throw to. One year with TO, and that's it. Not a whole career with a Marvin Harrison, not a few years with a Randy Moss. One year with a legitimate #1 receiver. He's got a good O-line, and Brian Westbrook and that's about it. LJ Smith was a decent TE, but not a superstar.

Good news for the Bears and Packers

You were evidently watching a different team than the one everyone else was.

How's that? Favre is well past his prime, but he's still a good deal better than any other QB on the Vike's roster.

And bearsfans are going to have more important concerns watching the Jay Cutler implosion...

How's that? Favre is well past his prime, but he's still a good deal better than any other QB on the Vike's roster.

Still good news for Bears and Packers fans


And bearsfans are going to have more important concerns watching the Jay Cutler implosion...


He's beter than Orton

Explain to me how the best team in the division getting better is "good news" for you and Packers fans.

He's more physically gifted, but he's emotionally unstable and fragile. He's the next Terrell Owens, unless he REALLY flames out, in which case he's the next Ryan Leaf.

Well, granted, I didn't see much of them last year. And, looking at their team stats for the season, they were much better than I'd thought. So I guess I was wrong on that specific point.

Nonetheless, I'd still say anyone who thinks that Warner- even in his prime- is a better overall QB than McNabb is out of their f*cking tree.

Explain to me how the best team in the division getting better is "good news" for you and Packers fans.



Minny being the best team in the Div is your opinion. It's good news because we know BF is washed up, we've seen it.


He's more physically gifted, but he's emotionally unstable and fragile. He's the next Terrell Owens, unless he REALLY flames out, in which case he's the next Ryan Leaf.

I have yet to see evidence of any of this. He's been well excepted in Chicago, and he very well may flame out just like Favre and the 'best team in the division" might flame out, and we've seen plenty of evidence of that already

You can say it all you want. Doesn't make it true.

Those who cast votes for NFL MVP have a different take than you. I realize you're trying to build up McNabb, but there are better ways to do that than to argue Warner wasn't/isn't as good as he was/is.

I'm not saying Warner isn't good. Obviously he's very good. What I AM saying, however, is that McNabb is better. Better than Warner, better than the vast majority of QBs in the NFL.

Kurt Warner's career thus far (9 years):

2-time NFL MVP (1999, 2001)
1-time Superbowl Champion (1999) 2-time Superbowl Runner-up (2001, 2008)
1-time Superbowl MVP (1999)
4-time Pro Bowler (1999, 2000, 2001, 2008)
182 Touchdowns
28,591 Passing Yards
2,327 Completions
65.4% Passing Accuracy (2nd alltime in NFL history to Chad Pennington's 66%)
93.7 QB Rating (3rd alltime in NFL history to Peyton Manning's 94.3 and Steve Young's 96.8)
109 Games Played

Donovan McNabb's career thus far (9 years):

1-time Superbowl Runner-up (2005)
5-time Pro Bowler (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
194 Touchdowns
29,320 Passing Yards
2,534 Completions
58.9% Passing Accuracy (42nd alltime in NFL history)
86.2 QB Rating (18th alltime in NFL history)
3,109 Rushing Yards
26 Rushing TD's
134 Games Played

Both men are incredible athletes, but if I want a pure QB and not a RB built like a linebacker who plays the QB position, i'll take Warner.

Keep in mind with these numbers, Kurt was a backup in New York for a few years. Donovan's been a starter since day 1. Kurt also spent 4 years sharing time between NFL Europe and the Arena Football League, not to mention several years working in a supermarket.

Donovan became a starter straight out of college with no layoff.

Yeah, but again, let's not forget that Warner, in SL and AZ, has had great receivers. That makes a huge, huge difference for a QB's stats. (See also: Tom Brady w/o Randy Moss vs Tom Brady w/ Randy Moss).

Kurt Warner has excelled in situations that allowed him to, but there are reasons why he started off in Arena Football, and why he was a backup in NY, and originally supposed to be in AZ. Donovan McNabb has excelled since he came into the league. He's had some struggles in recent years, and injuries are clearly starting to catch up with him, and it's all downhill from here, yet he still remains a star QB, as he has been his entire career. Kurt Warner has not been consistently great over the course of his career, McNabb has.

McNabb has also choked in the playoffs more times in his career than most QB's, save Brett Favre.

Well, last year it was a matter of fact. And there's no particular reason to expect any different this year. They've still got the best D in the division, and by a decent margin. And the best O-line. Not to mention the best RB probably in the entire league. Even before the Favre signing they were favorites to win the division and be a factor in the playoffs. Much like the Steelers are the best team in the NFL until proven otherwise, the Vikings are the best team in the division.

As for Favre being "washed up", I'd agree, however, that doesn't change the fact that he is an upgrade over Jackson or Rosenfels, or Gus Frerotte for that matter. So, as I said, the best team in the division just got better. And, honestly, I have higher expectations for the Packers than the Bears at this point. Sure, who knows what will happen, lots of crazy unpredictable stuff happens in the NFL. But my point is that the Bears beating out the Vikings and Packers would be just that.

We'll see. His tantrum when he was mentioned in the Matt Cassell trade talks says a lot to me. It ain't all about talent and physical ability.

That is in no particular order. If it was I'd put Roethlisberger much higher. It probably wouldnt hurt to add Brees too.

Flacco and Matt Ryan are young and upcoming QBs. McNabb is past his prime and his prime wasnt terribly impressive. McNabb is going the way Cunningham, and Stewart.......which means if Brian Billick ever gets a team again he'll play for him someday.

Well, when you only make the playoffs 4 times, you can only choke 4 times, and Warner lost in 2 of those years. Warner does have an excellent playoff record of 8-3, and McNabb's is 9-6. But by my count, Peyton is 7-9.

More to the point, since the tone of the rankings is "what can I expect in 2009", Warner is about where Favre was a year ago (minus the drama queen thing)-injury prone an erratic, but coming off a resurgent year. McNabb is a better average performer over the last few (he doesn't run as often as he used to, but he still uses that weapon way more effectively on occasion than Warner), and he has less potential for an abject decline.