holy crap I think that I might have solved one of the greatest mysteries in all of science....

how the first multi cellular being came to the planet. and I am 100% serious on this I'm not doing this as a joke or anything like that

this has boggled scientist for years upon years, now this isn't my theory on how life came to be but the explanation on how mult-cellular beings came to be.

you see from 600 million years ago there was something called the cambriean explosion where all these new life forms and phyla's came to be, but everything before that was all single celled orginisms, procariot and nothing more for billions of years now here's my theory using current theories

you see scientist believe that mitocondria at one point were there own life form there own cell so to speak(this will be importiant later) and everything was anaerobic by the way before 600 million years ago....but when these brand spankin new eukariotic cells came along they were different from procariot because they had a nucleus which could store genetic information and allow them to divide (and this is where the division of cells first came into life, because now they have a genetic code to reproduce)

now since they had a nucleus they had new and more functions than the procariot...and this I believe is where heterotrophs came from that eukariotic cells were the very first heterotrophs that ate the procariots, some were able to change to be able to digest the procariots with their orginells but some went on a different path.

thus is where plants come in, some eukariotic cells rather harvested the sunlight that was plentifull in the region, and thus born is algea that started to pump oxygen into the atmosphere

and then mitocondria came along, now the mitocondria I think were procariotic parasites that latched onto the eukariotic cells for food and shelter from the atmoshpere, but when they went inside the eukariotic cell they formed a symbiosis, a mutual one, and both cells were happy, and a new life form was made, the mitocondria for some reason had a huge effect being able to make ATP from oxygen and now that it's in a cel,l the cell is able to produce a lot more energy then ever before, thus is the birth of aerobic respiration which allowed 26 atp to be made rather than 2 using oxygen,

now what was a cell to do with all this energy, it had to burn it all away other wise the cell would die from to much energy, so what better way than to grow and divide even faster

Now since they were able to grow and divide much faster they formed larger creatures and plants, and began to colonize into one huge being (like a jelly fish does) in order to survive. and there you go, you have the first first multi cellular creatures at your disposal, and then there were bigger heterotrophs and autotrophs with each one trying to out do eachother in the arms race for survival, so now they needed a bigger food sorce...eachother and thus gives birth to the modern food chain....and with the other autotrophs making oxygen from the plentiful sorce of carbon dioxide that's in the air, they are able to do just that

now different area's and regions of the earth ment different creatures and each creature would change depending upon the enviorment and what creatures they hunted and what hunted them (that's why the first animals were soft bodied so they can change) and eventually evolution kicked in and you have hard shells for preotection and then more evolution for teeth to crack those shells and it kept going on from there until what we know today......

so what do you think...I am prepared for all critisism if you have any, and I am totally 100% serious on this topic and my theory...now I have put out a thesis, now as science is, science is all about making or breaking thesises, so tell me, what do you say to this

Though most points are valid and using Darwins theory in there whether you knew it or not. A few flaws are apparent

1) In aerobic respiration, the pyruvate first reacts with CoEnzyme A in the matrix of the mitochondrion. In the process pyruvate loses one carbon molecule to form CO2, and a NADH is produced from NAD+. The two carbon molecule left, is bound to CoA to form Acetyl CoA. Acetyl CoA enters into the Krebs Cycle, also in the matrix, where the two carbon component is broken down into CO2. Some of its energy is captured in the form of FADH2, NADH, and ATP. In the mitochondrion, electrons from NADH and FADH2 enter into the electron transport chain which, in an intact mitochondrion, is coupled to oxidative phosphorylation resulting in the production of ATP from ADP..The electron transport chain occurs in the cristae of the mitochondria. High energy electrons taken from NADH and FADH2 are passed from molecule to molecule down an energy gradient and are eventually dumped to oxygen to produce water. Some of the initial energy from these electrons are captured in the form of ATP.

Before i go on i would like to say that you do not recieve 26 ATP but 36 ATP might have been a typo.


Now as for your Cell theory. It seems that it is quite possible BUT for it to enter within the cell and do that is inaccurate due to the lack of proof. I am not saying you are wrong and by all means for you to think of this i think it is actually quite a feet showing your in depth understanding of the world, but again there are a few set backs

2) It is indisputable, given the fossil records, that single-celled organisms with little or no intercellular organization once dominated the earth. At what many believe was the start of life, blue-green algae ruled the planet but went into decline after about 1.6 billion years. Sowing the seeds of their own demise by producing oxygen which, at a critical mass point, could no longer be absorbed by the oceans and accumulated in the earth's atmosphere, the blue-green algae gave way to other cell-based organisms which could grow in an oxygenated environment. These new organisms marked the origins of the eukaryotic cell, estimated to have occurred when the oxygen level rose to about 3% of its present atmospheric level. So your theory with the algae is incorrect due to they destroyed themselves in the process of making this oxygen. Though with a minor change your thoughts are pretty accurate with that.

3) What you have said has been brought up before by scientists and actually this exact thought and idea has been argued back and forth between scientists


Blue-green algae produced oxygen as a by- product of photosynthesis, allowing oxygen to build up in the atmosphere

alongside the blue-green algae, other bacteria (prokaryotic cells) developed and grew, some of them with aerobic capabilities

anaerobic, heterotrophic cells (proto eukaryotes) ingested or engulfed these aerobic bacteria and developed a mutually beneficial relationship


that is what is being said...which is similar if not the same as yours.




Overall...good job trying to define but there are many questions that could be brought up but with my background in this, I would not have such questions to ask. But for me, i like your idea

ah rats and I thought I was onto something...well that's science for you, hye maybe I am onto something, you gave me flaws now I'll have to try and work things out through them, thanks earth realm, well science is based ona a lot hypothises and such like that, probably put to much in there, hey maybe in time well get it......well time to put this aside and start working on the time machine

Hey Joe-

I must say that I had a pretty good grasp on high school biology, and then lost it, but I'm very sure I've heard your theory before, though it probably wasn't exactly the same. It sounds plausible to me, in fact if I had to choose between the theory Earth Realm stated at the end of his post compared to yours, I'd deem yours as more likely.

But on another note, whether you are correct or not, just the fact that you like to sit there and think about these things, and to come up with such an intricate, thought-out theory based on all of your known facts is amazing. I mean, me and Bryan and Rob like to brag all the time how your are a genius, and we're not kidding in the slightest respect. You've got all the potential in the world kid, you're smarter than me and that's saying a lot. You know, Joe, we all know that you're gonna change the world in some profound way someday, maybe not on the scale of Einstein but certainly in the same respect. You just gotta pass English first <_<

On another side note, even if you're theory has been proposed before, this does not make it any less amazing. Not being the first to have an idea means you cannot take the credit for it, but it doesn't change the fact that you came up with this idea all on your own. You just don't have enough information yet in order to know what has been thought of and what hasn't been, but keep working at it. You'll think of somthing that will show everybody up in the scientific world, I know it.

well now I have a new goal in life....and that is to get a good knowledge of chemistry and perhaps I can put my theory into effect but on a different angle, earth realm is a smart person and without him probably would have kept going on the wrong path with this.

thanks for all your support...the 2 of you and I will never ever feel bad about failing science theories for one good reason....the story of bathebius

if you don't know it here it is.

there is a belief called bathiebius which is the belief that this giant blob is at the bottom of the ocean where all life came from, they got this deduction because when they preserved a fish in something called "Spirit of wine" (which is really just wine) all this stuff was flaoting around in the jar with the fish and nobody put anything in there other than the fish and the wine....so these 2 guys I forget the anme I think veneger was one of them made this theory

now one of them is responcible for discovering the phylum protesta A WHOLE PHYLUM and the other guy (maybe veneger) made the common theory of plate tectonics (2 giants of science)....a year later after this theory was put out, it was proven wrong by some one else of the science department, so you know what they did, they shurged their shoulders and accepted it, if they can make a mistake, why not any of us (the stuff in the jar was the mucus and such coming off the fish)

Joe, please don't be insulted, but you are one of the most mature people I've ever met.

what how dare you call me mature why I outta go over to new paltz right now and show you whats what......ho ho ho ho

Wow......

::Stands there speechless, mouth open and gaping.::

Man alive! I always knew Joe was a genious, and I also always knew he liked to hide it from everyone, but I had no idea he was THAT ingenious. You didn't look at anything coming up with that theory? Just poped into your head while you were going to bed or something? Nuts! I mean...I do that with poems and songs, and ideas for aome new art work pieces....but never a scientific theory. Joe, I've been telling people this forever, but what Diane said is absolutly true. You truely are gunna rock the world once you get out there. I bet with every essence of my being that once you get out there and start doing your scientific marien science thing, you're gunna be something else! All I can do is hope I can do the same in my field.

Cheers! ::Holds up a galss of coke::

Thats pretty kool Joe. I was good in Bio and able to follow alot of that. I think with the proper corrections that Earth Realm made you'd have a pretty valid theory. You two should work together or something.

you know you guys keep giving me credit but what about earth realm that guy really helped out a lot too, look at the stufgf he posted, i can't evebn understand like 25% of it.....that's why i'm gunna take chemistry when I get older now...thanks earth realm i owe a lot to you

Good luck with Chemistry man. Its a lot harder then Bio. I have trouble in it I guess because I suck at math and Chemistry is a lot of math. But I will admit that I have the most fun on Chem labs then any other science I've taken.