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Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
Medal game in Men's Basketball. 1:30 AM if I'm not mistaken on NBC. I think I'm going to brew a pot of coffee around 1 and give it a go.

Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 01:16 AM (GMT)
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:rock: ;)

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 02:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sori4Mvp @ Aug 23 2008, 09:15 PM)
Medal game in Men's Basketball.  1:30 AM if I'm not mistaken on NBC.  I think I'm going to brew a pot of coffee around 1 and give it a go.

Of course! We will bring home the Gold!

It will be my early morning birthday present. I'm not out drinking at midnight of my birthday for perhaps the first time since I was 14!

Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 02:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mattingly23 @ Aug 23 2008, 10:03 PM)
QUOTE (Sori4Mvp @ Aug 23 2008, 09:15 PM)
Medal game in Men's Basketball.  1:30 AM if I'm not mistaken on NBC.  I think I'm going to brew a pot of coffee around 1 and give it a go.

Of course! We will bring home the Gold!

It will be my early morning birthday present. I'm not out drinking at midnight of my birthday for perhaps the first time since I was 14!

Happy B Day man. f*ck that we sh*t, you can't tell me a Team USA loss or our womens' table tennis team not winning gold will piss you off as much as the Giants, Yankees or Knicks falling flat on their face. :no: Stop with the silliness. ™

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 02:21 AM (GMT)
Thanks.

Haha, I didn't say that. Of course the Yankees, Giants, Knicks, and Rangers mean more to me! However, I'm not a part of it, other than as a fan. Team USA represents my nation. That's all I am saying with the "we" stuff. I don't use it for pro teams, but I have found that I have always used it during the Olympics going back to my childhood.

Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 02:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mattingly23 @ Aug 23 2008, 10:21 PM)
Thanks.

Haha, I didn't say that. Of course the Yankees, Giants, Knicks, and Rangers mean more to me! However, I'm not a part of it, other than as a fan. Team USA represents my nation. That's all I am saying with the "we" stuff. I don't use it for pro teams, but I have found that I have always used it during the Olympics going back to my childhood.

I've always used "we" for my pro teams, never for the Olympics, I just don't get into the Olympics at all. Never have, I mean I want us to do well (except for those years the Dream Team started to sicken me and like I naturally do at times I root for the underdog when I don't have that much of an interest.) Anyway, I will watch tonight (*this morning*) and hope "we" win.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 02:25 AM (GMT)
Yeah, most people say we for pro sports. I just never have.

I didn't get too into Athens in 2004, probably mostly because of the tape delays, but I got into these Olympics way more than I thought I would. It's really hit or miss with me and the Olympics.

Mantlemurcer - August 24, 2008 03:06 AM (GMT)
doesn't start until 2:30

Giambi_MVP_25 - August 24, 2008 03:10 AM (GMT)
:hehe:

Mantlemurcer - August 24, 2008 03:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Giambi_MVP_25 @ Aug 23 2008, 11:10 PM)
:hehe:

:dunno:

Giambi_MVP_25 - August 24, 2008 03:11 AM (GMT)
They'll never make it.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 03:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Giambi_MVP_25 @ Aug 23 2008, 11:11 PM)
They'll never make it.

I'm a warrior. I can stay up all night.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 08:45 AM (GMT)
The gold is back where it belongs.

This was a great game. Spain is a tough team and hung with USA all game. It got to 2 late in the 4th, but then Kobe took over defensively and offensively. It was a high-scoring, entertaining game. USA won 118-107.

Spain's roster, even with Calderon (Toronto Raptors) hurt, is full of former, current, and soon to be NBA players. Bill Simmons has talked about Rudy Fernandez a lot the past couple of years. He's finally joining Portland this year. They had a good young team last year and this year they'll be adding Oden and Fernandez. Rudy had a sweet drive and dunk in traffic in the 4th. Marc Gasol looks decent and will be joining Memphis this year (his rights were traded by the Lakers for his brother). Then they have Pau Gasol (Lakers), Garbajosa (Raptors in recent years), Navarro (Grizzles last year), and some other guys who will definitely play in the NBA someday.

Wade carried USA in the first half with 21 points with Kobe and LeBron in immediate foul trouble (5 and out in international play). Kobe carried USA down the stretch.

Congrats to architect Jerry Colangelo, my boy Coach K, and the players, who bought into Colangelo's plan of committing three years, took this seriously for a change, and took home the gold.

Yanksfan03 - August 24, 2008 08:52 AM (GMT)
I was thinking they were going to choke at the end but Kobe took over late (unlike the NBA Finals where he was a gutless whore) and the USA finally wins gold again. His four-point play was money. Don't see those two often and in that spot with Spain making a bit of a run I actually jumped up off my couch.

Good job by Coach K. I have to admit I questioned the choice when they first made it but he was able to make it work.

Anyway nice to have the Gold back in the US. :rock:

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 09:00 AM (GMT)
Coach K was perfect. Unlike Larry Brown, who feuded with his star players in Athens, K was able to get everyone to buy in.

A very key, but often unmentioned point, is that Kobe almost player for Coach K at Duke, and K almost left Duke to join Kobe with the Lakers. Kobe has always wanted to play for him. When you have a diva like Kobe buy in, it definitely helps.

Carlos Boozer didn't play one second tonight, was DNP'd in another game or two, and played limited minutes in others, but showed his respect for K as his college coach, and desire to win, by being a cheerleader on the bench.

LeBron and Carmelo were the two young guys who clashed with Larry Brown four years ago. Colangelo and K were smart to include Jim Boeheim as an assistant, which had to make Carmelo comfortable since he won an NCAA title with him at SU his freshman year. LeBron became a real leader this time around.

Jason Kidd, the grandpa and previous gold medal winner of the team, started games, but didn't show any ego when Deron Williams and Chris Paul took minutes from him down the stretch.

Throw in the fact that K is a West Point graduate and former coach, and you knew he'd treat this as seriously as he did.

There was a good article about Coach K taking this job and how he would be perceived on ESPN.com the other day. I will look for it and post it. It was well written.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 09:03 AM (GMT)
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Friday, August 22, 2008
Updated: August 23, 9:50 AM ET

Coach K didn't have to take this gig, which is why he should be lauded for it

By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

BEIJING -- They introduce the United States basketball team before each game, and every time it's the same.

Roars for Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. Enthusiastic cheers for the rest of the roster. Silence for coach Mike Krzyzewski.

It's a long way from the collegiate love bubble of Cameron Indoor Stadium to NBA-crazy China. The idolatry Krzyzewski is accustomed to at Duke is lost in translation here. A billion Chinese really don't give a damn who coaches this collection of superstars.

But that silence is exactly the role reversal he signed up for when he answered Team USA managing director Jerry Colangelo's call to coach America back to its rightful place atop the world. Coach K's mission was to go from college basketball emperor to Olympic facilitator. From the guy with every answer to the guy with everything to lose.

They've called this the Redeem Team, but Krzyzewski needed no redemption. His basketball legacy is secure: three national titles, Hall of Fame membership, status as the most accomplished and authoritative active coach in college basketball. He's in the thick of the debate over who is the all-time greatest college coach not named John Wooden.

Despite all that, the 60-year-old voluntarily stepped out of his considerable comfort zone and put his rep on the line alongside the 12 guys wearing the uniforms.

"He has a lot invested in this," point guard Chris Paul said Friday after the Americans gained vengeance on Argentina, the country that knocked the U.S. out of the gold-medal round in 2004 and changed the way it approaches Olympic basketball. "Just as this defines [the players], it also defines him. Even though he's won a lot as a college coach, he needs to win."

If the U.S. does win the gold medal Sunday against Spain, the credit will go to the players, who have done everything right these Games. They'll deserve it. They've played with passion, togetherness, respect for the ability of their opponents and appreciation for what the Olympics are all about.

Krzyzewski? He'll receive some ancillary praise for his caretaker's role.

But if the U.S. loses, repudiation will rain down on the college guy who somehow found a way to screw up a royal flush of professional talent. These days, the loser always gets killed for being outcoached -- and if the loser has LeBron and Kobe, he definitely won't be the guy with lesser talent.

So that's why it took guts for Colangelo to make the call to K, and guts for K to answer it. He wasn't exactly stepping into a no-win situation; it is a no-credit situation.

He took the job anyway.

"He was up for the challenge," Colangelo said. "He wasn't worried about legacy, that's not who he is. He was trying to right the ship.

"He was my pick because I thought he was the right guy for what we were trying to accomplish. He bleeds red, white and blue, and he was as passionate as I was about what needed to be done. He's done a terrific job."

Putting a college coach in charge of a dozen pros playing against international competition was a leap of faith. It required a belief that the multimillionaires wouldn't tune out a guy accustomed to communicating with and motivating teenagers. It required a belief that Krzyzewski could tailor his message to a different athletic audience and still get through.

And it required a relinquishing of some control. K has always let his Duke teams play without micromanaging every possession, but he's also had his fingerprints on every aspect of the program off the court -- no matter how small.

At the Olympics, as in the NBA, there is no such thing as total coaching control. You must relax your grip, trust your players, go with the unusual international flow.

So far, so very good. The U.S. has won its seven games by an average margin of 30.3 points, and there are no signs of unhappy campers on the American roster. Hell, the All-Star subs are on their feet and cheering as much as the walk-on Dookies Krzyzewski coaches during the winter.

Larry Brown's alienation of a few key players in 2004 certainly hasn't been reprised here. Krzyzewski and his staff have their guys sharing the minutes (eight guys averaging between 16 and 24 per game) and the basketball (only Bryant is averaging more than 10.4 field goal attempts per game). The guy who has taken the fewest shots (Jason Kidd, six) also happens to be a starter and the team captain.

Power forward Carlos Boozer played for Krzyzewski at Duke and is playing for him now. He said that what K does well with collegians is still what he's doing well with Olympians.

"He's more similar than different," Boozer said. "He's extremely passionate, still teaches a great deal."

And now he's 40 minutes away from joining his former mentor, Bob Knight, as the owner of three NCAA titles and one gold medal. Only a monumental collapse could stop the completion of this redemption mission.

When America does beat Spain on Sunday, there once again doesn't figure to be any appreciable applause for Mike Krzyzewski in Beijing. But he'll deserve it, for taking a greater risk and accepting a lesser reward.

Information from ESPN The Magazine senior writer Luke Cyphers was used in this report. Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ESPN4D@aol.com.

Yanksfan03 - August 24, 2008 09:07 AM (GMT)
Getting Boeheim to coach on the team was a good move, I also think getting D'Antoni on the staff was great so you could get a respected and winning NBA coach's voice in there as well.

I saw the article you're talking about concerning coach K. It basically said he won't get much credit but he should and I agree. Taking a group with as many egos as this team has (and lets face it, you have to have a bit of an ego to be as good as these guys are at what they do) and getting them to buy into this, especially after the disaster of four years ago couldn't have been easy. He definitely made Larry Brown look like an ass. Should be a fun trip back to Duke for him.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 09:10 AM (GMT)
Yes, my new buddy Mike D'Antoni and Nate McMillan were good additions from the NBA, plus Coach K had his Duke staff of Chris Collins, Wojo, and Johnny Dawkins (now the Stanford head coach) helping out, as well.

Mattingly23 - August 24, 2008 09:11 AM (GMT)
By the way, it's almost a lock Vinnie drank too much, and fell asleep/passed out.

Yanksfan03 - August 24, 2008 09:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mattingly23 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:11 AM)
By the way, it's almost a lock Vinnie drank too much, and fell asleep/passed out.

:bc:

ONE-BUY-ONE - August 24, 2008 12:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mattingly23 @ Aug 23 2008, 09:25 PM)
Yeah, most people say we for pro sports. I just never have.

I didn't get too into Athens in 2004, probably mostly because of the tape delays, but I got into these Olympics way more than I thought I would. It's really hit or miss with me and the Olympics.

I'm always into the Olympics and even though I didn't like some of the Dream teams ball handling, I wanted the Gold. I was pretty proud of the Water Polo Team (sh*t, did I say that????) Was really happy for the Volleyball teams with a new appreciation for that game than I have ever had. Even though I hate soccer was proud of the American girls beating a number 1 Brazil team. Now they better not cancel baseball for the next Olympics if they keep silly assed "sports" like syncronized swimming :wtf: They should replace that sh*t with Countries that their swimmers can hold the head under water the longest for the gold. If you pay the ultimate price and go all the way, you even become a member of the VC..... :rock:

Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 04:17 PM (GMT)
I was out at about 1:30 :bc: Didn't drink shockingly, but was just tired. Anyway, I woke up at 2ish to take a giant sh*t and table tennis was on, I was very confused. Finally at about 3 I woke up again and there was the game. I listened for a few minutes before I was back to sleep. Glad we won, figured we would.

amit - August 24, 2008 06:09 PM (GMT)
Calderon's injury was a huge blow for Spain. It left them with only one real PG in Rubio, and while he dishes out some great assits, he's not a scorer by any means. Navarro can play the point, but he's a natural 2-guard.

I think the refs leaned a bit towards the Americans in the first half, especially in the first quarter. There were a couple of calls (and no-calls) that left me puzzled.

All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was actually Spain's coach, Aito. I thought he should have started the game with both Garbajosa and Fernandez (who's gonna rock your socks next season), or at least give the former more than the 5 minutes he got.

Strider - August 24, 2008 08:30 PM (GMT)
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All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

Yanksfan03 - August 24, 2008 08:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

People just hate the US basketball team for whatever stupid reason. This team wasn't the same collection of douchebags we had four years ago headed up by a dumbf*ck coach.

Sori4Mvp - August 24, 2008 10:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yanksfan03 @ Aug 24 2008, 04:37 PM)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

People just hate the US basketball team for whatever stupid reason. This team wasn't the same collection of douchebags we had four years ago headed up by a dumbf*ck coach.

No but isn't it pretty much the same team and staff that got beat in the World Championships two years ago?

amit - August 24, 2008 10:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

:-|

Yanksfan03 - August 24, 2008 11:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (amit @ Aug 24 2008, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

:-|

:rolleyes:

This team was criticized by everybody (even in their own country) and they shoved it up all the doubters' asses. :rock:

Mattingly23 - August 25, 2008 12:40 AM (GMT)
Vince Carter is the perfect example of the type of guy Team USA didn't need this time around.

Vin, it's not the exact team that lost the World Championships (Kidd is still undefeated in international play), but the three year commitment from most of the players, even with two previous losses, was key, as was ridding the team of losers like Carter and Marbury.

Sori4Mvp - August 25, 2008 12:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yanksfan03 @ Aug 24 2008, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE (amit @ Aug 24 2008, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

:-|

:rolleyes:

This team was criticized by everybody (even in their own country) and they shoved it up all the doubters' asses. :rock:

I just can't get pumped up about this like you and Matty can, I mean it's nice we won but in the scheme of sports for me the only reason I'm really happy is because one of my guys, Dwight Howard, was on the team. Other then that I don't get off on the Olympics like others do.

Yanksfan03 - August 25, 2008 02:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sori4Mvp @ Aug 24 2008, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (Yanksfan03 @ Aug 24 2008, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE (amit @ Aug 24 2008, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

:-|

:rolleyes:

This team was criticized by everybody (even in their own country) and they shoved it up all the doubters' asses. :rock:

I just can't get pumped up about this like you and Matty can, I mean it's nice we won but in the scheme of sports for me the only reason I'm really happy is because one of my guys, Dwight Howard, was on the team. Other then that I don't get off on the Olympics like others do.

Well I just like watching some of my favorite players on the same team and they're from my country so I'm going to root for them. That's really all it is. And as a sports fan, I can get into great games and last night was a great game.

Mattingly23 - August 25, 2008 02:20 AM (GMT)
Some people would rip on USA for not winning by 30, but like YF03 said, it was actually a great game. It was entertaining from start to finish. I enjoyed it a lot more than I would have a 30 point blowout.

Yanksfan03 - August 25, 2008 02:25 AM (GMT)
No doubt. I think it was more satisfying this way. It's one of those games too that everybody was saying "the U.S. hasn't had a close game, how will they handle it?" Well they got their answer. Everything people said this team couldn't do they did. They represented this country well both on and off the court. This was a real likeable team.

I've got a Gold Medal celebration cap on the way from the website. Looks pretty cool. :rock:

amit - August 25, 2008 06:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yanksfan03 @ Aug 25 2008, 02:12 AM)
QUOTE (amit @ Aug 24 2008, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE (Strider @ Aug 24 2008, 11:30 PM)
QUOTE
All in all, though, I think the biggest reason for this loss was


...a bunch of immature, douchebag Spaniard f*cks weren't beating a well-assembled American team at basketball. All other reasonings and explanations are extraneous. All that was missing was Vince Carter being there to teabag one of those assholes.

:-|

:rolleyes:

This team was criticized by everybody (even in their own country) and they shoved it up all the doubters' asses. :rock:

What does that have to do with anything I posted? The only reference I made towards the American team is that Wade was good.

I still believe that if Garbajosa and Fernandez had started the game, Spain would have been in a better position.




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