Lots of funny stuff between the characters (loved the parallel break-ins) but a lot of it seemed off. I couldn't get into the main plot (Cuddy's guilty, we got it, enough already.)

So, what did you think?

I dunno, it was ok not as good as the past two weeks.


on another note Humpty Dumpty, is actually i cruel nursery rhyme
"humpty dumpity sat on a wall
humpty dumpty had a great fall" Those two line are fine
"all the kings horses and all the kings men
couldn't put humpty together again"

WTF why the hell are soldiers putting him together? I think that if I was Related to Humpty Dumpty I'd sue for not calling an ambulance or proper medical care. I don't know about you but if a soldier was trying to fix me after falling from a wall...you know what humpty dumpty was probably drunk and was being obnoxious that's why it happened. Ok I don't feel to bad for Humpty Dumpty; he probably was a douche bag.

The whole Cuddy/House history thing...loved it. It totally made the episode for me. I want to know more.

As for the main plot (what's wrong with Alfredo), I had problems with it. I know that I have mentioned on this site before (in the spoilers section), the guy that they cast for Alfredo is from General Hospital. And quite frankly, I don't care for him on that soap (yeah, I watch it) and he really didn't do anything for me on this show. He just doesn't do anything for me and that effected the episode for me. Part of me wanted House to call him by his GH name, but that's just my nutty little mind. :lol:

And Audi, you're right about Cuddy's guilt. The writers seemed to go a little overboard on it (still prefered it over anything Cameron).

Now a month without House. :( I have to admit though, in the teaser for upcoming episodes, Ron Livingston (Band of Brothers, Office Space, Swingers) will be on a future episode and I have to say, I just adore him! :wub:

I don't watch general hospital but he was kind of cute. um this episode this episode nothing really stood out but I think at some point probably this season House and Cuddy are going to have a fling. I think Cuddy's guilt was a tad out of character for but then again thats JMO, I can see her feeling a little guilty but not that much.


btw for some reason your post kind of made me crave chicken alfredo

I've been a House/Cuddy shipper from the start, but after this ep, can I just say HOUSE/CUDDY OTP!!!?

:P

I don't think Cuddy's guilt as OOC at all. I think it was already there in "Maternity" in a lesser degree. She's got a strong mothering instinct, and it applies to her hospital and to her employees (both at the hospital and apparently on her roof), especially House. Like she told Cameron, "The question is, 'why did I hire him?'" I don't think it's a sort of "I have sinned, for shame" guilt. I think it's a "I could have done something differently" "might-have-been" guilt, and I think it fits her character perfectly.

I happen to like old Cuddy, much better than Cameron.

So anyone who writes me mushy House/Cuddy fics will gain my eternal love.

I loved this a lot and it was great because it wasn't anywhere near as heavy as Autopsy (which was awesome)- like SM after Detox. The patient didn't grab me much but Cuddy did and I was so happy to see her get more time and it was interesting. I thought the guilt was right and the way she handled it was the same we've saw her in TS - she was compassionate but didn't back off when it mattered. I think she felt guilt but who wouldn't- her concern works with who she is and I understand her handling with House. His speech in her office at the end was great and I loved him giving her his awkward but genuine support. Wilson giving Stacy some too was great- not enough of him but the beer drinking office scenes were very nice.

And House should wear those white jeans again <_< , the lollipops were back and the key scene/flinging Cuddy's pants at Chase was awesome.

At first I was disappointed with this episode but the more I think about it the more I like it.

<start rant>

I'll start with my complaints first. Now I'm not one to normally complain about the medical aspects of the show. I don't know enough about it and for me it's not what has me watching the show. That being said...

Umm, like a nurse, or anyone else that came in the room wouldn't happen to notice the guys hand was rotting off the end of his arm?! No one happened to mention that, chart it, bring it up as a possible concern?!!! It took House to figure it out?

I can see them not wanting to amputate and trying to save the hand but to make no mention of it until House goes in and takes a whiff. Glaring error in my mind.

Next, and on the same line, none of the nurses noticed, charted, mentioned the lack of urine output? Highly, highly unlikely. Are the docs just not looking at the charts or what? I'm not sure what the producers and/or writers are trying to do with this. Do they think we won't notice? I mean, most everyone has had some experience with a hospital, be it as a patient or a visitor to friend or family member.

Tell me they weren't interrupted twenty times by nurses coming in to check this or that and then standing over the chart and logging it all for the next 5-10 minutes.

I can see not having that kind of activity in the show as it would be distracting but to project the idea that no one noticed the lack of pee and that if the younger brother hadn't mentioned it they never would have known is doing a big diservice to nurses everywhere.

<rant over.>

Okay, the House/Cuddy thing is very intriguing. I get the impression that she had a big crush on House back in the day, maybe even had a one-night fling but I don't think it was ever a serious relationship. I believe what John Henry Giles said, in that House has that 'one thing' and even back in the college days he was in pursuit of that (as indicated by Cuddy's comment the he was already a legend back then) I would think that early on he was even more focused on things and never considered having a serious relationship. All his time and enegry devoted to that 'one thing'.

As far as the Cuddy guilt thing. It was a bit over the top but I think that's in line with her character. I think she carries her guilt for a long time. And I agree with Sam, it's more of a 'I could have done more' than a 'it's all my fault'. I also think this may have really brought home the guilt she feels about her involvement with Stacy/House.

They're both there and here she is in a situation where she has to make the call and possibly ruin this guys life and she has to do it with a guy who's life she already (in her mind) did that to. I think it came down to fear of repeating her mistake. She wanted to do better this time and not turn this guy into House.

Next, I've got to watch it again but the scene in House's office when he and Wilson are talking about Cuddy and her guilt and (my bad memory once again) House says something pertaining to Cuddy's guilt and Wilson gives him a look. Then he just turns and says 'It's raining.'

Very nice. I don't know if it was exactly subtle but very nicely written and perfectly acted by RSL and HL!

Loved the Cuddy snark with Cameron(wow, you really are subtle or something like that ! :lol: ) and Stacy(So now we know, she dumped House).

I do have to digest the end scene in Cuddy's office where House brought in the papers for the lawsuit and then was 'nice' to Cuddy. Seemed a little out of character but I think there's more to it (and it has to do with the aforementioned scene with Wilson.)

I also think the scene with Foreman getting on him about lying to the clinic patient has a little deeper significance. Not sure what yet but it just seemed like House took it in as opposed to just dismissing it.

So either it was a very deep episode or I'm reading way too much into it! :lol:

Oh and ....
:o No House for a month already!!!! :angry: Darn Baseball!!

Go Tribe!

I hate sports, my friend took me to a football game she said there was going to be alcohol, there wasn't I was so bored. I found ways to entertain myself there was this fat man in red on the field at one point and he looked like one of the weebles and I saw want to push him over to see if he would just pop back up. and the marching band looked like dominoes so i wanted to push one member into another and watch them all fall down like dominos. I know I'm cruel but I think it be quite amusing.

rtlemurs- I agree with the medical rant. They missed these two very obvious things? I doubt it. Esp. since the darkening hand was prettymuch their major concern. And when he admitted he wasn't producing urine, I was like, "YOU MORONS." I mean, duh.

But there were great moments. Like House telling Chase that Cuddy had pictures of him in her drawer

"It's like a little shrine to you."
"You're kidding!"
"Actually yeah, I am."

Wilson is still wisely pointing out to both House AND Stacy that Stacy is married. That was interesting, him getting on Stacy's case about that (though after last season's ending with Stacy telling House he was the one, obviously it's a needed reminder).

Also was amusing to see both male and female ducklings trying to ferret out whether Cuddy and House were "saying nasty things to each other because they were doing nasty things" or however Chase put it.

And on the sports note - in high school, I had friends in the band who had to play at basketball games, so we'd go hang out with them, but we'd cheer for the visiting team, or for teams that weren't even at the game. We'd chant the names of other teams, and the band guys would put up signs booing their own team. It was hilarious.

OK, first off ... Cuddy and House both went to UM? Hot Dog! I live in Ann Arbor, and now keep picturing places where fictional characters might have hung out.

Just to get this off my chest, though -- and we're all friends here, right -- I wanted to bring up something I've noticed on some other boards -- not here so much -- namely people saying that the House we've seen has moved from "snarky" to "just plain mean." I don't see that. He's had his compassionate side, yes, and we've seen that, but David Shore and Hugh Laurie have both gone out of their way to say that this isn't just another character with a crusty exterior hiding a heart of gold. He's more complicated than that.

If anything, some of the fans have started thinking that House does have that soft and gooey center, (Just check out the bulk of the House/Cameron fan fiction out there), and they've translated their interpretation of House into what they believe the canon character should be and how he should react.

Not to say that he isn't coming on stronger this year. Stacy's there and he's off balance, perhaps overcompensating for her presence with harder snark. For that matter, David Shore and company may be overcompensating in the writing to make sure they drive down that point of theirs that he is more complicated than some have assumed.

But to say that House is being mean now? He always was. That's one of his charms.

...none of the nurses noticed, charted, mentioned the lack of urine output? Highly, highly unlikely. Are the docs just not looking at the charts or what? I'm not sure what the producers and/or writers are trying to do with this. Do they think we won't notice? I mean, most everyone has had some experience with a hospital, be it as a patient or a visitor to friend or family member.

Tell me they weren't interrupted twenty times by nurses coming in to check this or that and then standing over the chart and logging it all for the next 5-10 minutes.

I can see not having that kind of activity in the show as it would be distracting but to project the idea that no one noticed the lack of pee and that if the younger brother hadn't mentioned it they never would have known is doing a big diservice to nurses everywhere.

THANK YOU. That was even worse than House's having to notice his own arrythmia in "Three Stories." The show's made quite a few medical howlers, and I can see how some of them just work better dramatically, but the complete absence of nurses at PPTH is beginning to tug hard at the ol' voluntary suspension of disbelief.

Namaste- great point. The the whole Cameron crush deal showed House (Cameron also) is a long way off any kind of relationship and is really pretty messed up. It wasn't a showcase for how he could be all sorted out with some 'lovin' from a good woman' or as Wilson says far more eloquently-

"Young ingénue doctor falling in love with gruff, older mentor; her sweet gentle nature bringing him to a closer, fuller understanding of his wounded heart."

I'm really pleased that House is just as on his snarking game this season - these first three eps are totally consistant with his behaviour last season. He is more complex and so are all these characters and its why we watch. I love the fact they don't pander to the need to have him do the 'good guy' thing- House absorbs 'life lessons' from patients but he doesn't lean from them- which is great in my book. Detox was a great ep because it didn't leave us with anything sorted out - David Shore and Hugh Laurie seem to know why we like him and I trust them to handle things as well as they have to date.

As for the Foreman 'race' issue - House isn't racist he's fairly universal in his snark. Foreman is a poor judge of House at times- the pep talk he gave him before 'the date' when he said he thought House had an ego problem was a long way off the mark. Foreman has his back up with House and I like Foreman for it- his 'wrongness' is interesting but I thought the scene said more about him than House.

I think that the fact that House absorbs life lessons says that he is capable of learning but doesn't really see that these lessons apply to him in his own life. This makes him a more believable character, because while I am a sucker for the "nice" house moments, (Examples: I awwwwed at the corsage for Cameron, when he hugged Lola in Sports medicine, and this season I bawled when he spoke to Andie.) it makes his character more believable, because not everyone learns every lesson they should in life.
One thing I have wondered though. Hugh Laurie always says that he doesn't want to know what is wrong with House because then they would have to stop the show. What if he doesn't really have a problem? and What if finding out the problem didn't necessarily mean that the writers had to fix it?

Just my take but I think House is the the major and probably only insoluble problem in nearly all his sixty foot container of issues. He's not responsible for all of it, Stacy and misdiagnosis certainly played a major role in the infarction, but the extent to which they are problems nearly all comes back to him. He can't deal with being a cripple because he wasn't prepared to accept life was worth suffering and imperfection. TS clearly showed he felt that the idea of alone amputation filled him with horror. Facing death he wasn't all 'do whatever it takes to keep me alive' he was prepared to take his chances if it kept open the possibilty of retaining his leg and his life as it was.

Same with pain management, his job is more important to him than anything else and he isn't prepared to consider other options which don't allow him to function as he can with Vicodin.

Other people faced with these issues can cope better with it, Andie seemed to me to be shown making that point, but House is House. I think if any one of these issues were resolved he would have another in its place fairly shortly. He's far more complicated than any one thing.

I really recommend "The Treatment" KCRW interview (if you haven't heard it) because Hugh has so many interesting things to say about House and the interviewer asks great questions about House.

I'm going to use my two-cents opportunity to express love for Cuddy.

I love her so much! It was great to see her in another mode. She weedled Alfredo for extra work just the way she scams House into doing clinic duty. She is a master of manipulation (in a loveable way). Cameron would do well to take a page out of Cuddy's book if she ever wants to get anywhere with House.

They've never really directly addressed Cuddy's guilt issues before, and I think that's why a lot of people thought it was over the top though. I think it's always been there, in some form or another. Sometimes it's dressed up as idealism, but she always feels a longing to make things right, as House pointed out. You can see it just below the surface in TS as well.

I love Cuddy. :)

I was glad to see more of Cuddy; she's hilarious. But for some reason it didn't feel like a House to me. It just didn't seem like it was as cleverly organized as they usually are--everything felt a little random. And not that it was, I guess, that big a deal, but the doctors not knowing about the urine thing stuck out to me, too.

The scene with Foreman and House was a little weird too...maybe it's because I'm not used to him actually calling people on racism; he tends to kind of just keep quiet and not dignify it with a response. And obviously racism is something that justifies irritation. But it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me because of the person he was getting mad at. Did he think House wouldn't have done the exact same thing if the patient had been white? House has a lot of character flaws, but I honestly can't see racism as one of them. His philosophy seems to lean more toward "all people are idiots equally." :)

Not that there weren't some great moments. House and Chase searching Cuddy's underwear drawer was priceless. And my favorite moment:

Cuddy: He's not like us. He can't--
House: Work as a cripple?

Can't wait for the next one...I'm going to spend most of this month sulking.

This is probably my second favourite episode of this season. There are four main scenes in this one that I just loved.

The first is the Stacy/Wilson scene, this one for some reason really cracked me up. I've rewatched the show at least three times this week and I still can't stop laughing during this.

The second is when House, Chase, and Foreman are searching through Cuddy's home and House goes through her underwear drawer saying that she has pictures of Chase in there.
Chase: You're kidding!
House: Yeah. Lol, the way Hugh said that was just PRICELESS!

The third: the little House/Wilson scene where House is juggling and Wilson answers his phone for him. That was so CUTE! I just wish this scene had been longer.

And finally the closing scene with House and Wilson in House's office. It's raining out and House comes to the window and says, "it's raining". I know that here he is referring to Cuddy and how her roof would be leaking at the moment, but with the song playing in the background, 'we might kiss when we're alone', it just made this scene SO House/Wilson shippy. I LOVED it! I wonder if David Shore knows he's dropping MAJOR House/Wilson hints in all these little scenes.

Anyway, there's my two cents worth of opinion.

All House episodes are great, but I didn't really like this one. I thought Cuddy wasn't acting like Cuddy. She seemed weird, which is weird because she never really acts how she did. It was kind of random that she's getting really emotional and keeps saying its her fault. She started acting a little like Cameron. The case was good though and the part with House and Chase and Foreman checking Cuddy's house was priceless.

"OMG, Chase, she's got pictures of you in here!"

Haha, man was that hilarious! Still, the story kinda focused on Cuddy/House/Stacey and Chase/Cameron/Foreman were just background noise which I thought sucked because my favorite character is Cameron and she was barely in there at all.

As for season 2, my favorite episode so far is probably Acceptance.

I know I'm getting in late on this one...(darn road trips!) but I really liked the part when House was in Cuddy's bedroom looking down at her bed and says, "So this is where it all happens." Then he plops down on it! :D

The red thong thing had me laughing too! :lol:

It's nice that we are seeing the characters, this time Cuddy, develop on a more personal level. This episode also gave us a taste of Cameron's growing negativity towards House. For instance when she asked Cuddy why she doesn't just fire him. I was surprised by her bluntness. Maybe she was trying to see if Cuddy had a 'thing' for him, or had one. I thing everyone was focusing on that issue.

Rt, I agree with you too on the 'hand rotting' issue. It's not like it wasn't black enough, :blink:

Baseball Sux!

Cheers!

PPD

I finally got a chance to re-watch the episode, and a couple of things stood out: When House mentions that the "Catholics are right, pride will kill you," he turns to look at Chase.

And when Cuddy calls him from the cock fight and House is juggling when Wilson answers the phone: they're in Wilson's (new) office.

Heee.

There are various theories of the origin of Humpty Dumpty.

* According to an insert taken from the East Anglia Tourist Board in England, Humpty Dumpty was a powerful cannon during the English Civil War. It was mounted on top of the St Mary's at the Wall Church in Colchester defending the city against siege in the summer of 1648. Although Colchester was a Parliamentarian stronghold, it had been captured by the Royalists; they held it for 11 weeks. The church tower was hit by the enemy and the top of the tower was blown off, sending "Humpty" tumbling to the ground. Naturally the King's men (the "men" would have been infantry, and "horses" the cavalry troops) tried to mend "him" but in vain. Visitors to Colchester can see the reconstructed Church tower as they reach the top of Balkerne Hill on the left hand side of the road.

* In another theory, Humpty Dumpty referred to King Richard III of England, the hunchbacked monarch, whose horse was named "Wall". During the battle of Bosworth Field, he fell off of his steed and was said to have been "hacked into pieces". (However, although Shakespeare's play depicts Richard as a hunchback, other historical evidence suggests that he was not.)

* Humpty Dumpty may also refer to a Roman war machine called a Testudo used to cross moats and climb over castle walls. Humpty Dumpty refers to the turtle-like look of the machine and the noise of the wheels.

* Another theory has Humpty Dumpty as medieval slang for a short, clumsy person. Martin Gardner in The Annotated Mother Goose suggests this was exploited in a riddle: after the poem, the reciter asks how could such a thing happen, the answer being that Humpty Dumpty was an egg (which fact is never mentioned in the poem). Since the answer is now so well known, the question is no longer asked. In L. Frank Baum's Mother Goose in Prose, the riddle is devised by the King's daughter (having witnessed Humpty's death).

Wow, very interesting stuff! I love it! So is this a hobby of yours or did you just get curious one afternoon and look it up?

Finally I'm watching Season 2 in my TV.

I loved the bits where House speaks an excellent Spanish. And the woman singing that bedtime song made me smile.. my Mom used to sing that one, everybody knows it..