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rtlemurs - September 14, 2005 01:15 PM (GMT)
So what did everyone think? Here's my quick thoughts.

It felt like something was missing. I finally figured it out this morning, No clinic patients! The cancer girl doesn't count as it wasn't House snarking at her.

Next what have they done with House's eye's? they darn near glowed in some scene's! Did they add contacts or are they just lighting it differently. It was kind of weird.

The snark is back! I loved the House/Cameron action. She really need to learn to deal if she's going to be a doctor and House was just eating it up!

Loved the drinking with death row guy! I thought Cameron was going to run off and tell Cuddy.

I equally loved his interaction with Stacy. This si going to be interesting to watch. I wonder if they're going to show much of Stacy's husband or just refer to him? I love to get more of those vouyeristic House moments with him watching them interact.

And I know they wanted to get us questioning this but House's little hesitation at the end when he was erasing Acceptance was interesting and could have many different meaning and interpretations. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Alright guys, time to gear it up and bring life back to this place. No excuses now!!!!

rtlemurs - September 14, 2005 02:24 PM (GMT)
Hmmm, won't let me edit so I'll just post again.

I also loved the secretary/assistant scene. I was laughing so hard I missed the beginning of the scene in Cuddy's office. It's funny because while Iwas on vacation we listen to a book on CD in the car called Fraud. I forget the name of the author, I think it was David Karoff or something like that. Anyhow He basically talks about some of his life experiences and one of them is his time as an 'assistant' to a book editor. He talks about the exact same thing and how he and his cohorts HATED to be called secretaries. They would even call off sick the week of National secretaries day so as not to have to deal with the humiliation of getting a card of flower arrangement.

We laughed so hard at that I almost drove off the road. The whole riff was just too funny and then to have House doing it, knowing it pissed the guy off, was just too much.

Come on guys where are you all?!

prplchknz - September 14, 2005 02:25 PM (GMT)
Someone whose a doctor is staying in our house, and confirmed that in fact using ethanol is in fact what they use to treat methanol poisoning. I thought that was kind of cool.



I like the part where house closes the blinds and is like "don't worry children, mommy and daddy are just having a little fight" that was great.

rtlemurs - September 14, 2005 02:42 PM (GMT)
Ah yes, So much snarky goodness I forgot that one. Thanks for reminding me prplchnz!

That whole scene was great. She really does have a bit of House in her personality. The whole circle around the block and catch him trying to sneak away. She has his number!

It's kind of weird that he doesn't seem to really have hers. Is it his distrust, his anger at her, or just the time that has passed since he's had to interact with her that is the reason for it. He's detail oriented when it comes to solving the puzzle but when it comes to people it seems he only remembers what it is to his advantage to remember.

Did he just forget things because he felt he'd never interact with her again? Doesn't seem likely since he really, really is not over her yet. Maybe he just trusted her so much that he never bothered with details. Trusted her enough that he didn't feel the need to know everything about her. Or felt he would be with her forever and could savor the details slowly. Learn her mysteries over time then got hijacked with the infarction.

But even then you'd think he'd know her well enough to know that when she's pissed she's is certainly not going to let him slip away. And she certainly would not just stand there with the blinds closed! I had that figured (I didn't expect her to circle around the block but I figured she'd come in as soon as she saw the ducklings leave.) why didn't House?

And yes I am talking to myself!

prplchknz - September 14, 2005 03:04 PM (GMT)
As long as you don't answer yourself I wouldn't be too worried ;)

rtlemurs - September 14, 2005 03:42 PM (GMT)
Oh but I do. I do! :blink: :lol:


lfeflght - September 14, 2005 03:58 PM (GMT)
I answer myself too. Some of the best conversations I've had.


I think as far as Stacy goes. She just has HIM figured out that well.

Remember the line. "You avoid work like the plague, unless it is the plague." She's got him figured out.


lfeflght

Jaxgirl - September 14, 2005 04:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rtlemurs @ Sep 14 2005, 10:24 AM)
I also loved the secretary/assistant scene. I was laughing so hard I missed the beginning of the scene in Cuddy's office.

When I first saw Cuddy's "assistant," I smiled and thought to myself, "this is going to be good (and of course, it was)." There's nothing better than when House gets to snark on underlings. :lol:

On another note, I have to admit that I was annoyed with Cameron this episode (and I'm not even going to bother by asking what's up with her hair). I know that the girl's got baggage, but the fact that it sunk into her professional life bothered me. If she was a student, I might be willing to give her a pass on how she reacted to the situation, but she's not. She should have known better and acted like a professional. Then again, Cameron just plain bothers me, so it wouldn't take much from her to annoy me with. ;)

TelegramSam - September 14, 2005 05:54 PM (GMT)
I wanted to kick Cameron in this episode. She has all the emotional maturity of a pubescent middle school girl.

I actually like Stacy, she snarks quite well too. XD

I think House is finally coming to terms with at least some of his past, that's what the "acceptence" bit is for. Some wounds refuse to ever heal, and he'll never be "normal" (but who would want him to be?) but I think having Stacy shoved back into his life is forcing him to actually face and deal with what happened instead of just hiding from himself behind a veneer of snark, misery and vicodin.

rtlemurs - September 14, 2005 05:55 PM (GMT)
lfeflght -- Oh yes, she has him figured out, right to the very thin outer layer of the core. But why doesn't he have her figured out? They were together for 5 years for cripesake. He's a bright guy (What an understatement). And although he is not very good when it come to emotions and office politics, this doesn't fall into either. It's just kind of weird.

Jaxgirl -- Cameron generally bothers me too. She wasn't as irritating to me in this episode because her attitude just opened the door for House to just slam her. It was great. I laughed so hard at the 'I'm over you' part. Ummm very tranpasrent dear, no your not!! :lol:

prplchknz - September 14, 2005 05:57 PM (GMT)
I use to like cameron and stick up for her, but after last nights episode I can't. She should have been like "Yo you have cancer, you're going to die." that's what I would have said, I'm not going to see the person again, probably.

lfeflght - September 14, 2005 06:36 PM (GMT)
rtlemurs - Simple. She's grown and moved on with life. He hasn't. He's gotta play catch up with her.

She told Cameron he was pretty much the same before the infarction and the second he tricked her for the court order she knew he hadn't changed.

At least that's what I figure. I could be wrong.

lfeflght

Taruia - September 14, 2005 07:36 PM (GMT)
OK, some thoughts, I didn't want to join in before, because I watched House with like 10 other people in the room, and missed a lot, so I dled it this morning, and watched it again. I was right I missed a lot.

Bad-

They cut some stuff, I know there were scenes in the previews that we not in the ep. I'm hoping that when the season 2 DVDs come out they have the deleted scenes, because House falling flat on his face would be funny. I also think it was because it was not realistic for House, he would have really hurt himself doing that, but I'd like to know why it was cut.

Cameron, GOD! She is so blah! There is no other way to put it. I am starting to hate her character, and not just because of her thing with House, it's her whole "I have to save the world!" thing that really pisses me off. I also want to be a doctor, and it's hard, but I know that you can't save everyone. And that thing about her husband "He would have been alone if I didn't marry him" OMG how stupid can you get, marrying a sick guy so that he's not lonely in the end. WTF?! That's messed up. And her hair bothered me too.

On the topic of hair, Wilson's was kinda off, I loved the moppy look, mostly because Josh has his hair like that, but also because it makes Wilson look so much cuter...lol, oh well hair can grow back, and I hope they let him. And Cuddy's hair was a little weird as well. But hair I can deal with, the whole annoyingness of Cameron is not going away...grrrrrr.

Good-

Stacy, ok I'll admit it, I like her. At first I wanted to hate her because of what she was responsible for, but the more I look at three stories, the more I see that she really did what she thought was best, and I don't think that she is simply a female House. She is as interesting, but not in the same way. She is similar to him, but they are also very different. Stacy is much more a people person, House never was, at least that is what we are ment to believe. She is also more interested in sucking up, and for some reason that makes her more likeable, she isn't totally like House, not giving a shit about what anyone thinks, but rather, she loves her job, but she also manages to be friendly with people. There is really a lot that I can see happening with her, and as long as they don't put her back with House, I think I can actually like her.

Great-

House and Wilson, OMG! Why don't they have more of this, I mean those two just have the best chemistry, and not even in a slashy way (well that's there too...but) they are just so good with each other, and I LOVED when Wilson kinda reamed Cameron out, that was really cool, because he is usually the nicest guy, and you wonder how he can survive in oncology, but now you know. He is really tough, I mean we all know that, but now it's out there for real. I liked it a lot. Basically I love Wilson, almost as much as House, and I'm a little pissed that he doesn't get screen time that he deserves.

House drunk, while I loved this scene, I thought that it was a little off, I mean the lines were great, and Cameron walking in on it was classic, but it seems a little out of character for House. Yes we know he drinks, but it's at home, at night, or in a bar. That's normal, what he showed here was not normal drinking, but alcoholism. I don't think that the writers should turn House into an alcoholic as well as a drug addict, that's a little bit too much, not to mention fatal. I really want to see them address House's liver at some point, because if they don't it's kinda fake.

LL Cool J, Man, he was amazing, I didn't think I'd like him in this, because on another show I watched (Dark Angel) they had rapper guest stars as well, and they didn't pull it off very well, but LL did a great job, and is perhaps one of my favorite patients now.

House's speach to Foreman. This was really great, I thought that his reasoning for not wanting to totally go along with Foreman was wonderful. I totally agree with House, why should a person's social upbringing mean nothing, but biology everything? I love how he plays with Foreman as well. I think that if Foreman hadn't had a 180 on the situation, House would have played it differently, but man, he's got Foreman down cold.

Ok, well that's more then enough rambling from me, what do you guys think?

Taru

lfeflght - September 14, 2005 07:52 PM (GMT)
Taruia - I agree with everything you said except one.

The drinking scene. Remember you're dealing with a convict, trust issues are a big thing there and who knows that better than House. So what's the best way to get someone open up. "Get their drink on." You have cured the patient, gained trust, and gotten him to open up. Plus it really gives the finger to hospital policy and since he has such a clean record anyway, he could get away with one. ;)

That's what make Cameron's look so good. She's in shock. If she hadn't been you would think it was too common.

Of course I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

lfeflght

Taruia - September 14, 2005 08:11 PM (GMT)
Didn't think about that, and you're right...I'm just too innocent...lol (well...sort of...lol)


Taru

lfeflght - September 14, 2005 08:17 PM (GMT)
Don't worry. My mom thought the same thing and when I said it. She kind of gave me this look like, "Is there a reason my son knows this?"

lfeflght

cathyNH - September 14, 2005 09:37 PM (GMT)
Have only watched it the one time (so far), so I still have a lot to absorb, but... first impressions...

The writing was great -- there was just enough backstory woven tightly in to give new viewers an overview of where everyone came from in season one -- House and Stacy's relationship and her responsibility for his leg's condition, Cameron's husband and her thing for House, Foreman's past, Wilson's relationship with House, even a little bit of Chase's wussiness and suck-up attitude.

House did seem extra nasty, didn't he? Perhaps an unconscious reaction to having Stacy so close again...? And as mentioned before, gives him room to grow in season two....

I'm on the fence on Cameron, still. I was hoping all through that she'd be right, there'd be more to it, that she'd prove she was learning from House... disappointed at some of her juvenile responses to him, but her speech to Wilson about someone's death having an impact on the world -- that hit me....

I don't remember seeing House falling on his face in previews, but I DO remember seeing a scene where House was offering Clarence a way out -- "this is your life. I'm asking if you want it to be over." or something like that... and that wasn't in the final cut of the episode... :(

Stacy -- "worst two dollars I ever spent." :D :D

RealRazumihin - September 14, 2005 09:54 PM (GMT)
Posted earlier somewhere on here about House being extra hard on Cameron, but I agree with you folks in this thread too - it's like she backslid. She already had an ep last season (well, a couple scenes in a couple eps) where she had trouble telling patients the potentially-deadly truth (in fact, Wilson did her job for her, once), so why this whole thing?

I suppose she had more trouble in this case 'cause she got to know the person better first.

But yeah . . . completely ignoring the rather obvious diagnosis when even your most skeptical Dr. associates tell you "it's terminal" is not exactly a smart thing to do . . .

And wouldn't the patient be concerned with the # of tests, and the fact that there were dozens of little lightning-bug-glowing things in her lungs? Even I could figure that out, and I'm extremely non-medical.

FYI, Cameron, telling someone randomly, "Well I'm over you so there!" is the fastest way to prove you're NOT over them . . .

Hehe, this has started me thinking about Grice's Maxims for conversation . . . where people's responses aren't related to the topic of conversation, you can figure out what they're really thinking. Ah, linguistics. But I'm wandering . . .

I guess Cameron's non-acceptance played into the episode title, in the end, as well as House's "denial" of the word "acceptance."

Did anyone else worry whether right at the end, they were going to make House erase "Depression" instead of "Acceptance"? I was like, no no no, it's not that simple, they can't make him suddenly go "Oh, there's my problem. I'm cured!", it would ruin everything and-Oh good, they didn't do it.

Maybe that's just me.

Think my fav line was when House turned the blinds on Stacy and said to the ducklings, "Oh, come on. Mommy and Daddy are just having a little argument right now. It doesn't mean we love you any less."

Wow that's a long post. Whoops.

Lily - September 14, 2005 10:33 PM (GMT)
Overall, I liked it a lot. Of course, it could just be that I was so thrilled to have a new episode that I'd've liked anything they threw at us, but... :P

You're right, lfelght, House not having any clinic patients made it feel a little weird. I always look forward to that part, not only because it's hilarious but also because they always find a clever way to make whatever's wrong with the clinic patient relate to the theme of the show. Then again, I guess they still did that this time.

I also agree with a lot of people who have mentioned that House seemed a little crueler in this one. There were a lot of times where it seemed like his barbs, while hilarious, were kind of abrupt and a bit pointless. My favorite thing about this show is that House sees stupidity and pretentiousness and isn't afraid to call people on it. If he's not it some way "right" when he's mocking someone it's not quite as funny to me.

On the other hand, I was proud of them for the way they handled Stacy in this one. I was kind of nervous about her presence in this season, dreading what we might call a "Stacy's first day on the job" angst-fest, but they were very matter-of-fact about the transition, somehow making it seem like she'd always been there or something. I think saving that angst for when they really need it will make the season run more smoothly. Then again, I'm not a writer, what do I know? :P

And of course, I loved the last few scenes. I always like the music they pick (I wonder if they'll do like they did last time and kind of bookend the season with this song?) and I admired the way they made House's mocking Cameron with the five stages of death almost slap him in the face a little at the end. Great start to the season. ^_^

flannelsaurus - September 15, 2005 05:04 AM (GMT)
Great to be back and seeing the board active. I always love reading what everyone has to say.

I find it interesting that several people have noted that House seemed crueler (than average?) in this episode. I saw him as softer. Specifically, House seemed to 'get into' this patient with an enthusiam he rarely shows to their faces. He is usually wary of even talking to patients, since he assumes he'll get nothing but lies. In this episode he went digging twice: once with the help of Bacardi to find out why Clarence drank the copier toner, and again when he wanted a motivation for the fourth murder. This seemed like a way more patient friendly House.

He was blunt with Cameron, (how could he possibly resist the temptation) but no more than usual, I thought. Even his relations with Stacy seems 'soft' to me. He actually said 'I trusted you" and let her see that he felt betrayed. House usually plays with his cards way closer to his chest.

All in all, I loved the episode. Great House/Wilson stuff, great Foreman stuff. (I like Foreman more and more as time goes on.)

flannelsaurus - September 15, 2005 05:07 AM (GMT)
Eep. Sorry. Double post. :)

rtlemurs - September 15, 2005 05:41 PM (GMT)
I happy to see you all back too! I was starting to worry early yesterday!!
Still have some MIA folks but I have confidence that they'll wander in eventually.

I didn't feel House was any more nasty than in season 1. I think the differnece is he was directing the snark at characters we've come to know and care about as opposed to unknown clinic fodder.

If you watch through season 1 the snark level fluctuates. I haven't yet tracked it with the vicodin usage but I'd bet there's a correlation there. If you notice, in some episodes it seems like every other scene he was popping a pill and in other episodes he didn't take any. Not that we've had a snarkfree episode but it does fluctuate from episode to episode.

It appeared to me that he was in a take charge mode. Back to being the king and running the show. I think that may be a subconsious reaction to show Stacy he's a big important man here at the hospital now and she should be impressed with that. An attempt to win her back. Again, I don't think he even knows he's doing it but I think he did a lot of things in this episode to 'impress' Stacy.

I also believe that House may be trying to cut down on his vicodin intake becasue of Stacy. Partially based on the end of Honeymoon and partially because I think he knows he takes too much and Stacy wouldn't like that so maybe if he cuts back she'll come back to him.

Next the decrease in vicodin would contribute to increased snark and definitely increased attitude.

But basically if he was nastier I think it just that he is being forced to confront his emotins and I think that is just messing with him so he does what he does best and pushes people away (as Wilson so aptly picked up on, bless him).

Pradon - September 15, 2005 10:54 PM (GMT)
Your response gives me lots to think about. I began re-watching the episode last night and still had a reaction to his heightened snarkiness although it wasn't quite as strong as it was on Tuesday.

I think his demeanor in this episode comes down to what you touch on in your last paragraph (rtl) - that House is being forced to confront his emotions. He is surrounded by a cadre of co-workers - including a past lover - all whom he wrongly or rightly perceives as people who want something from him - "something" that I'm sure he feels incapable of and at-odds to giving them. His abruptness and "offensive-ness" in this episode (perhaps as opposed to his "defensiveness" in past episodes) demonstrate his desire to wall-up before anyone has a chance to chip anymore bits of him away. Since he's never more at peace than when he's within his own head, he's actively keeping people OUT of his head and playing his cards a lot closer than he has in the past. Now that I see his uber-snark in the light of a "self-preservation" response to a perceived threat, it makes a lot more sense to me.

phew! I thought my brain was going to explode just working through that last paragraph!

-Pradon

CaitDC - September 16, 2005 12:23 AM (GMT)
What I liked most in this episode was the use of the song in the end, which is probably my favorite song in the whole world. I've always felt that song was perfect for their relationship, especially the lines "She tied you to her kitchen chair, she broke your throne and she cut your hair, and from your lips she drew the hallelujah." To me it says "Hey, she screwed you over worse than you've ever been screwed over before and you're still in love with her." What better song to descibe their relationship than one about dissapointments in love? Heh, I am such a band nerd.

As you might have already guessed, I do not like Stacy. There are two reasons. One; she reduces House to a puddle and NO ONE should be able to do that and two; she purposefully didn't tell him Cuddy had given them a third option because she knew he would say no and she waited until he couldn't do anything before forcing him into a procedure she knew he didn't want. I know, she may have saved his life but it gets me so mad! Sometimes I like to imagine how pissed he was when he woke up.

I felt sorry for Cameron because of the way House was treating her, but I also wanted to kick her. Who here thinks she has a Messiah complex? *raises hand* One other thing, I thought House was the only one to know about her husband, but Wilson didn't act surprised at all. I wonder....

Anyway, that's my two cents. Cheers!

Cant always get what you want - September 16, 2005 12:29 AM (GMT)
I just LOVE the way House makes you think! The whole death row/dying thing was fantastic! Leaves for some great conversation after the show :)

Loved the RUT RO and Bros before HOS :D :D YOu just gotta love him :)


and the secretary.......wouldnt it be fun if they played it like Murphy Brown where they had a new secretary every week cause House crushes them all like bugs?? LOL


carolyn in sarasota

CaitDC - September 16, 2005 12:39 AM (GMT)
Yes! Bros before Hoes was my favorite snark of the night!

pillpopdoc - September 16, 2005 03:57 AM (GMT)
This has to be at the top of the list of my favorite House episodes. Dr. House was absolutely dripping with snark! B)

One great thing about the start of a new season is that we don't have to be loaded down with character developement to the extent as we did in "Pilot". We all (for the most part) know who everyone is, what they do and how they interact with the other characters. Except for Stacy, and I must admit, I am beginning to like her. She can hold her own against House and doesn't crumble like Cameron when he says or does something jarring. Ahhh, Cameron. She is definiately one for hard-ship cases. :( I really liked the scene between her and Wilson when he was telling that it wasn't worth getting involved personally with patients. That could possibly be a downfall for her. Maybe she needed to occupy her thoughts and feelings with something so drastic so she wouldn't have to deal with the pain and humiliation of House's rejection. He's not cutting her any slack either. I noticed he turned his snark dial up a notch for her. Some of the things hes said to her would have made me cry if I were standing in her shoes! She finally told him that she jumped ond the band wagon and now she hated him. I especially liked when he was getting plastered with 'Death Row Guy' (I don't have it recorded and his name fails me) and Cam walked in on them. When she left, DRG commented on how fine she was and House said, "I could have tapped that". :P Great stuff! There are so many lines that were awsome! "Bros before Hoes" and the Odvious choice: "Party Pants!"

One last thought for the evening: What's up with the deleted scenes Half the trailers I saw were cut out. Like when House got up after getting plowed and fell on his face. Hmmm. <_< Hopefully the powers that be will remember them when the DVD is produce. (Crosses fingers!)

I'm done rambeling and I'm off to bed!

Cheers! Pillpopdoc B)




rtlemurs - September 16, 2005 03:54 PM (GMT)
I have always been intrigued by the idea of Stacy and when she made her appearence in 'Three Stories' I liked her. I think she was just trying to save his life. Right or wrong that took a lot of guts, especially since she had a pretty clear idea of how he'd react.

I lost alot of respect for her in 'Honeymoon' because even though I believe there was a need for honesty I think her timing sucked. I just felt she knew he was at a tough point and instead of just leaving it at 'Thank you' she had to go and throw in 'You'll always be the one'. I could still go on about that but I won't do it here.

In the new season I still like her but cautiously. I can see why House fell in love with her. As you've said PPD she can stand her own with him and I think he probably just loves that.

She also is like House in that she makes up her mind as to what is right and pursues it to the end, regardless of the cost. The difference is House seems to keep the cost down to just him (the notable exception being the Vogler arc). Not that he's a saint or a martyr but he does it for the good of the patient where as Stacy doesn't seem to only consider the benefits to her and what she will gain. It's seems to be all for the good of Stacy, her feelings, her career, her well being. Just my observations and feelings.

Enough of Stacy on to Cam. I don't think she needed to occupy her thoughts, I think it's her normal emotional state. She wants to save everyone and make everything better and doesn't want to face the fact that sometime you just can't and it has nothing to do with you.

She is similar to House in that she has emotional issues as well. They're almost opposite ends of the spectrum. House can't or won't deal with his so he shuts them off and pushes everyone away. She seems to run her whole life on her emotions. If she has a problem she just lets her emotions dictate her direction and actions. She embraces everyone.

On the outakes I was wondering where the "It's your life, do you want this to end" scene when since it was in almost every trailer leading up to the season premiere. I didn't sse the 'House falls down" scene. I read about it but hadn't seen an actual trailer with it.

I was kind of surprised when he kneeled down beside Clarence when he was first examining him at the prison. Kneeling take alot of thigh power to stay upright and balance not to mention getting back up and without a cane at that.

More later!


Jaxgirl - September 16, 2005 05:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rtlemurs @ Sep 16 2005, 11:54 AM)
She seems to run her whole life on her emotions. If she has a problem she just lets her emotions dictate her direction and actions. She embraces everyone.

See, I have a problem with that. Cameron's a doctor, not a mother hen. And heaven knows, this is not the first time her emotional state has gotten the better of her. The "Maternity" episode jumps to my mind first:
QUOTE
Wilson: She has a problem.

House: Yeah, she needs to deal with it.  If you hadn’t bailed her out, she would have done it.

Wilson: Great, then she wouldn’t have slept for two weeks.  Maybe she should be thinking about a different specialty.  Lab work, research?

Personally, I might not want someone as blunt as House treating me, but I definitely don't want some one as emotionally fragile as Cameron. She might be smart, but her bedside manner can be questionable at times.

Benj - September 16, 2005 05:51 PM (GMT)
Very late to the party- but only because I just got back from the US and got to see this 'live' (ads and everything) and all I have to say - House got back! Class ep- only gripe that we had no clinic- but it was a gold opener and I echo most of what has been said upstream.

House/Wilson - Bro before ho- Majestic instantly my favourite H/W scene because the depth of the smile is just love (in a perfect friend way) and is just awesomely those two. There should be so much more of these two but I'll give it to the writers when they give us scenes like this.

Stacy- I can handle her being around if its written like this, House flaking her and getting caught was so him and seemed very her - nice writing. I don't want House to be resolved about anything but the messed upness pulled it back from the drama of the finale and I think it moved forward niceley without tying up to neatly.

R-Roh- House/Cuddy just awesome- need me more Cuddy and more Wilson stat!

Cameron- guess she had to get a little worse in order for them to make her better and I need her to pick up some real backbone rather than the the sassy 'I'm over you' 'tude - but I do like her for some reason so maybe it's okay.

LL- great job and Foreman rocked - so all rounder love! Hope it keeps up! :D

rtlemurs - September 16, 2005 06:50 PM (GMT)
Oh I agree. I'd rather be told that it looks bad and be pleasantly surprised than be led to believe it's just a cold then be told I've got terminal lung cancer. I don't even care if they were as blunt as House. I'd rather know so I can get my stuff in order and enjoy the time I have left than spend it in endless tests and procedures until I'm too sick to have a final hurrah with friends.

Cam has her issues and House has his. In fact I think the whole gang has issues. That's what's so great about this show. The characters are written to be human in all our glorious flaws and weaknesses. It pulls this off without being melodramatic or soppy.

cathyNH - September 16, 2005 09:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
One last thought for the evening: What's up with the deleted scenes Half the trailers I saw were cut out.

I think Fox has been messing with our heads. When they showed the trailer for NEXT week's episode, I think I saw a snippet that they included in the run-up to season two. I think they've been showing bits from more than just the season opener when they've been promoting the new season... which might mean the House-falling-down and "This is your life. I'm asking if you want it to be over." are yet to be aired...

Puts me in mind of other times they've done that too -- like in "Honeymoon", they previewed the "I'm not over you" line but left out the "[our mutual friends think]" part of the line...

Have to go back this weekend and rewatch Acceptance and the ep 2 preview to be sure... sigh... such an ordeal... :)

ambragail - September 17, 2005 05:26 AM (GMT)
I agree Cameron needs to get a grip on her emotions or she'll burn out; it's fine to be compassionate but she gets herself too involved. I have a hard time believing that the patient didn't even a have a friend or two that could be with her. She seemed friendly and personable so I wouldn't think she was totally alone.

I loved the scene where House brings back Clarence and Stacy finds out that he'd lied to her about getting Cuddy's approval. The look on those ladies' faces gave me the shudders! I thought, "Man, he's got both women pissed off at him! One would be bad enough!"

I also liked the ethical and moral questions raised by the episode: Is someone who commits a heinous crime less deserving of medical treatment than someone who is a law-abiding citizen? Does the tumor that caused the adrenaline increase excuse Clarence's violent actions?

If this episode is any indication of what the rest of the season is going to be like, I think we're in for a great one! No "sophmore slump" for this show!

Cant always get what you want - September 17, 2005 04:23 PM (GMT)
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Very late to the party- but only because I just got back from the US



First trip or no? Business or pleaseure?

They dont have ads thru the shows over there or did I miss interpret that?

carolyn in sarasota

Lily - September 19, 2005 04:27 AM (GMT)
I think the scene between Wilson and Cameron was interesing. There have been a couple of times when I've been startled by a kind of matter-of-factness or even coolness that shows through in Wilson's lines. I was exasperated by Cameron's antics in this episode (she usually manages to irritate me) but Wilson still seemed a little cold to me.

I guess it's because Wilson is usually a milder, gentler presence than House--if House had said the same things I wouldn't have thought twice about it. (That's interesting, too--coldness from Wilson is a lot more striking than it is from House.) And, he's an oncologist, so I'm sure he's had to kind of detach himself from some things.

I hope they flesh out his character some more in this season; there are some interesting inconsistencies to him. I think he's as sad as House is in some ways, maybe even more. I'm glad they decided to give him some time in this episode, at least. :)

rtlemurs - September 19, 2005 06:19 PM (GMT)
I hope they start to explore all of them a little more this season. I think that is another great part of this show. All the charaters are human and have their weaknesses and faults and their strengths and shining moments.

Too many good shows are ruined by two dimensional supporting characters. This show has got it all and the intelligent writers and actors to pull off that nice, slow, teasing developement.

I think Cameron is the character most in need of developement right now. She's had a lot of screen time but not a lot of development in that time. I think they need to get her staightened out first before they delve into any other supporting character.

Not that I want her to be predicatable or anything but I for one would like to know if she's always going to be schizo. There's been no consistancy with her character and even with human nature there is a certain amount of common thread and pattern of behavior to an individual.

I also think a little more info on Cuddy would be nice. She' a strong female character and I like to see that but without more development I think she'll get old by the end of season 2.

I do like that they seem to have split the focus up this first episode and didn't make it all about House and his case. They gave someone else a storyline that was completetly seperate yet tied it in flawlessly. It's going to be a great season if they keep that up.

Messiah - October 25, 2005 02:23 AM (GMT)
I've only read the transcript, but, I saw her hair in the third episode, and I almost died. It was so bad. And then to add insult to injury she had this bad looking French braid, too..

Moving on.

Like I said, I didn't see the actual episode, but I can just imagine how she said that to House. Obviously it was a lie, but I'd rather her pretend to be over him then to go around obsessing over it and getting into it with him over his like/dislike of her.

-Kat

Armchair Elvis - February 9, 2006 10:25 AM (GMT)
Wow. Coming to the party very late here, to the point that I am no longer even fashionably late, but I hope that Aussie fans can liven up the party a bit.
A great season return, but it somehow left me wanting for something, whether it was for the season to hurry up or for some can't-put-your-finger-on-it plot point I don't know.
All in all, though, it was a great episode. I see here that there were some promotional clips that featured House falling flat on his face. Man, I'd love to see that! I'm a sucker for deleted scenes.

Good: House's mood. I especially liked the drunk-laughing bit, when Cameron walked in he looked perfectly tipsy and perfectly disturbed, little-boy-caught style. The ending, with the confirmation of a larger drinking habit (drinking in the office) was great too. I love that song, and have several covers of it, including this Jeff Buckley one.
Stacy. She's on fire, and we see that she can snark as good as she gets. "Cuddy reamed me", and "The worst two dollars I ever spent","You always were a lightweight" :D :D
Stacy's scary turning up outside the office routine. Dr Wilson's revealed toughness, and his spiel to Cameron. I agree with what someone said earlier (much earlier) about this being how he could survive as an oncologist. Great Wilson moment!
House's eyes. Damn they're blue. And he looks a little different this ep, but it's hard to put a finger on it. That red t-shirt. Damn. Hoo.

Bad: Cameron. Nuff Said.

Well, I must go now.
Cheers all.




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