I thought this episode was pretty good. Maybe it was just me, but I felt like it was a bit too dark that maybe Foreman was being too deepy emotionally involved in this patent's life. I feel that possibly the writers dwealt on this a bit too much, jmho.

It was interesting to have an episode that dealt with Foreman's emotional status on such a deep level.

I really liked the blue shirt that Hugh had on.

I liked the beginning when Cuddy and House were talking and Cuddy made that reference to the sandbox..her facial expressions and voice tone were cute.

I liked the conversation between House and Wilson, very funny!

Lisa looked very pretty in her dress and RSL looked quite handome in his suit and tie!

I liked it when House went and looked at a condo and got to talking with Wilson's ex about Wilson himself. It was interesting to learn some information about Wilson's personal life, other than what we already know.

Next week's episode looks like it should be very good!!

God and peace
Vanessa :)

This was one of those episodes that I believe will get better and better with repeated viewings. Not that it was bad but it changed tones in a very gradual way and what started as lite and fun turned into a very dark angsty episode. It needs to be rewatched just to take that all in. Or at least I do, I'm a little slow you know :P

My initial thoughts are that this will push House back into his hole. That he was just starting to peek out a bit. He will see it as because of that he got distracted and a patient died. Even though he kind of knows that it was a fluke he also knows that he was more interested in Wilson and Cuddy than the patient. He will continue to question whether things would have turned out differently if he had been paying attention. If he had cared more about the patient would he have caught the infection? If he'd have had contact with her, examined her he knows he would have seen the scratch would more than likely have put two and two together. If he were a different kind of person he would have been able to save her and that goes directly back to the themes brought up in "No Reason" and "Meaning".

And even if he knows and has come to terms with the fact that he cannot change and become that kind of person, he knows he did not have his mind focused on the case and if he had things may have turned out differently.

I'll need at least one rewatch to dig deeper into this. I do like the fact that they showed us a little more about Foreman but I do wish Cameron would get an episode like this. Where we actually learn something about her and not just get the same old dead husband spiel.

Loved the whole House/Wilson/Cuddy triangle. Cuddy's sandbox remark was so funny and so true. And House's comment to Wilson about asking Cuddy out to a play goes tight back to my "Playing games because he can't handle rejection" theory. Maybe I was right the first time?!

And the line of the night....

I want it on a T-shirt, a picture of Wilson on the back and on the front ...

"...it has six burners."

:lol: The look on House's face was when she said that priceless. :lol:

Oh, and I can't wait to meet Hector! :P It wil be even better than Wilson living with him! :lol:

My wish is that after a few episodes of mind games Hector plays dirty and chews through one of House's wooden canes then hides his new metal one (thus forcing him to use the chewed one) and it breaks just like when Wilson sawed through the other one. :lol: I think I'd wet myself. :blink:

Not my favorite episode, but like Rtlemurs said it will probably get better each view. I liked the content I just thought the pace was a little slow. It was nice to put Foreman in the front and have Cameron and Chase in the background. For some reason I never thought Chase as a Christian, or is he not and the comment of him praying and pretending someone is listening is like I don't believe in god but this is how I deal with my problems. If I can pretend he exists it will help? or is he really christian?

I can see how Wilson would be good in bed, since he has one of those personality traits where he like's to please people so I can see him being that.

I liked the whole triangle but I'd rather it be cuddy<-->house<-->wilson instead of wilson<-->cuddy<-->house. Of course that's just me and I know it would never happen.


Did the mention what type of dog hector is? I kind of hope he looks like this http://www.agirlsworld.com/rachel/hangin-w...x/winndixie.jpg because that's how I imagine him, and that's what a Hector should look like if a dog.

personally, I'd much rather see House and Cuddy together rather than Wilson and Cuddy. House and Cuddy's personalities seem to match up, not so ,much with Cuddy and Wilson. jmho.

that's a great looking picture of Hector :)

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Didn't get to watch till today. :( Stupid last two weeks of school.

Wow, that one sort of hurt. Poor Foreman. He's the Duckling of the Week because I liked his scenes with House, although Chase was pretty awesome when he made Foreman spend time with his parents. I agree with prpl that it probably won't end up being one of my favorites, but I also agree with rtlemurs that there was a lot going on and it deserves a lot of analysis. It's a mark of how good this show is that an episode can be clever and thoughtful and enjoyable without being on my top ten list.

What happened to Cuddy at the end? I guess they had so many subplots to wrap up this time that they didn't have time to give her an "ending scene" like the others. I loved when she and Wilson were at the museum and they started getting hooked on the exhibits. :lol:

I'm glad Foreman finally got some screen time. I had been waiting to meet his mom, and that scene at the end was pretty sad.

I get what you mean and normally I'd feel the same way, but somehow it worked for me this time. With an episode like this, there was the possibility of it being really obvious and forced, and alarms went off in my head when Foreman and the patient started "connecting," but whoever put this episode together paced it very well, so that none of the individual "angsty" scenes was too obtrusive. It all ended up blending together into a nice dark, subdued mood. It's also a mark of how good this show is that they can do things with the episode that I would never have done and still leave me thinking "Yeah, that worked nicely." :)

I didn't like Bonnie too much. <_< (I'm probably biased.) Her line about how hard Wilson tries in bed definitely earns her the "Way Too Much Information" award for the entire show up to this point, and that includes everything House has ever said. (I know House was the one who asked, but good grief, she was selling House a condo, not painting his nails at a slumber party. ;) )

And while House is definitely self-centered, and I have no trouble believing he never gave a thought to Bonnie "waiting at home," I'm going to have to know a few more circumstances before I take sides. Was this after the infarction? Because House "needing" Wilson a lot after his leg had just been gutted in his sleep, his girlfriend had left him, and he was trying to figure out how to live with more pain than he'd ever experienced in his life seems kind of legitimate to me. *shrug* I mean, it sucks that she got left alone so much, but from the way she talked to House it was as though their friendship was an inconvenience or a threat to her, and that sounds like a Bonnie problem to me.

And speaking of Wilson, way to turn him into a really creepy person, writers. :D Bonnie's step-by-step rundown of how Wilson "tailors" himself to the needs of each specific person he dates was a little disturbing (especially since we got to see it in action with Cuddy!), and then in the same episode Wilson himself tells Foreman, in a pretty detached manner, his Standard Method of telling people they're dying, which was also disturbing if only because it shows how calculatingly, deliberately good Wilson is at figuring out what people need. I kept expecting us to follow him back to his hotel and find out he has bodies in the closet or something.

House came close to calling Wilson out on calculating people's neediness in "House vs. God," and I don't think calling him an addict is inaccurate (I liked Wilson's non-reaction when House said that). Addicted to giving people what they want? Maybe, but House said once that the reason the relationships always end is that his lovers' neediness goes away. So he's an addict, but his wives got addicted to him too? :)

I think even House was morbidly fascinated when Bonnie was telling the "How I got roped in" story. So if I can be really creepy for a minute: House prides himself on figuring people out and bluntly giving them his conclusions, but he doesn't usually offer suggestions for improvement. It seems almost as if they're implying that Wilson reaches those same conclusions, but keeps them to himself and uses them to feed his own addiction? (That was a pretty harsh way to put it, I guess. Whether he does it consciously or not is up for debate...) So who's the more astute observer of human nature? House thinks he has Wilson pretty figured out, but does Wilson have House figured out too? ;) The scene where Wilson wordlessly comes into House's office and stays there with him all night (after House has been given some stuff to chew on about him by Bonnie) was pretty perfect, and the look of comprehension on House's face as he took the cup of coffee from Wilson was great. Those two really play well off each other.

That was long-winded, but that's what they get for giving us this kind of material. ^^ Four more to go.

Oh Lily, that was wonderful! Lots of great thoughts and so true about how even the 'not top ten' episodes are wonderfully rich and complex and make you think.

I hadn't thought about the Bonnie thing(One of the things I wanted to rewatch). It would be interesting to get a timeline on her and see if she was the wife during the infarction. It seems like she would be but that was (as close as I can figure) 7-9 years ago. House had said of Wilson once that he blew through three marriages which indicates to me they never lasted that long. So it's a distinct possibility that she was after the infarction, that maybe all of Wilson's marriages were post-infarction. At a point when House may still need support but should be pretty much able to cope on his own(this is of course discounting that House had serious issues before the infarction and the added blow of Stacy's choice and subsequent breakup which Bonnie may not have known about). Although it kind of tells me too that Bonnie doesn't (and how would she if she doesn't spend a good deal of time around him) realize how messed up House is.

You also got me thinking about Wilson's motivations.

Are Wilson's recent attempts at "helping" House (Lying about the cured patient in "Meaning" the Tritter arc, rehab, etc.) really just attempts to keep him miserable?

If I remember correctly, all of this really started after he seperated from his third wife. Is this a conscious or unconscious attempt by Wilson to keep House miserable? Because, if House is miserable he'll need Wilson, thus giving Wilson what he needs. That's really dark and evil but if this is the way Wilson works it may not even be a conscious thing for him. He may not even realize he is manipulating House and really does think he is helping.

That is creepy as h*ll and I don't think that's the case but it's another possibility. Wilson has found the perfect mate (not mate in a shipper sense folks, although that's always a possibility)in House because House is deeply screwed up. I don't think he'll ever be in a position where he isn't in need. Because, as much as House is a loner, he needs to have human interaction. He needs to have someone to mess with, bounce ideas off of, and in a way, keep him from going off the deep end.

They get along and all but he knows Wilson needs neediness and so he'll never leave and I believe visa versa. But House is not 100%secure in that. I think he fears that Wilson may get invovled with someone (Cuddy is an added angsty bonus) and not be there for him. If Wilson finds true happiness then he doesn't need House anymore. But the same is true for Wilson. If House figures it all out he won't need Wilson to watch over him and Wilson will lose his fix so to speak.
And I don't think either is really consciously aware of that. They kind of know it's there but it's not something they work on or think about. It just is.

What a wonderfully screwed up, complex, symbiotic relationship for a wonderfully complex show!

Well first, I am dying to see what kind of dog Hector is. For some reason I'm thinking chihuahua (know I totally butchered that) in part because the Wilsons got him on their honeymoon and Mexico is a popular honeymoon spot (or I suppose he could be a large rat if someone is a fan of urban legends and Jan Brunvand).

My other thought is that all the "ducklings" are really bad at giving bad news. Granted, as Foreman said, this isn't the usual case where the disease got the better of them, this time something they did actually contributed to the patient's demise.

I don't know that I neccessarily see Wilson's formula for giving bad news are manipulative, or at least not manipulative in a bad way. Though I am surprised that he can actually verbalize what he does as I had been under the assumption that it was just something that he did. For some reason I also see Wilson as having been Cameron-level bad at giving bad news at one point--in part because of his revelation to Cameron that he knows about the perils of getting too emotionally involved in the patient-- but the ways in which he manages to temper that involvement are what make him so good.

I suddenly came to a different conclusion, right in the middle of the Wilson-fishing expedition/condo tour, about House's interest in Wilson and Cuddy. Cuddy's statement about someone picking his favorite toy out of the sandbox was on, it's just the toy in question is Wilson not Cuddy (not in a ship way though). It dawned on me that House is now experiencing what Wilson's ex. wives were when he moved on to a new cause. What I mean is House has been Wilson's "cause", the one he's always worrying about and taking care of, and with the distance that has come into the friendship with the aftermath of Tritter, House is afraid that Cuddy, with all her recent baggage, has become Wilson's new "cause".

On Foreman's mom I was expecting her to be much worse. I guess this is just my perspective as someone who's seen people descend,if not into Alzheimer's precisely than into severe dementia, that while it is heartbreaking when someone doesn't recognize you anymore, there is much further to fall. From the way they were talking in "Euphoria" I was expecting worse.

Another part I got caught up in was the subject of making it out versus not making it out. I was relieved that they didn't give us a total pass on how screwed up the system we've created as I was afraid they were going to do for a second when the POTW said that Foreman was right in that she shouldn't blame the system. I spent a very brief time working as a teacher's aide in an elementary school and I saw some kids who were the same way as Foreman, wanting to look at the back of the math book to see all the things they'd learn and be so eager to learn them, but hearing even from them that they wouldn't get out. Being a white bread girl from the right side of town I certainly didn't think I could talk to these kids who were mostly minorities and not in economicably favorable situations about breaking out, I just hope someone could. I'm afraid they probably didn't make it though, more the pity for all of us.

Back to the show, it was interesting to see how House deals with failure. He's obviously affected by it but his coping strategy is to make absolutely sure that it never happens again as long as he can help it. Also I'd wager that House is very much invested. This is the second time we've seen him sitting there forcing himself to literally face his mistake--the other was in "All In" when he went to sit in the POTW's room to spur himself into finding the solution.

And may I say I will never feel quite the same when the hook on my bra poked me in the back though I have to say that was an ugly scratch; she really should have gotten that looked at sooner.

I didn't neccessarily dislike Bonnie, though she really should have known that House would be a time consuming friend before she married Wilson. I can definitely see her as being exactly the needy type that House claims Wilson is attracted to though.