think my favorite part was House' mind game he played with Wilson, making Wilson think that Cuddy had sent him flowers! :lol: That enrire last scene with House and Wilson in House' office was hysterical!!

As was the scene where Wilson brings House that card that 'Cuddy' sent him and I loved Wilson's reaction to seeing Cuddy..freaking priceless!! :lol:

I thought it was funny how the eight year old boy was hitting on Cameron! LOL

The ending scne with House and Cuddy on the upper balcony was very good..I was SO hoping House would kiss Cuddy, but that's only in my dreams!! (that'd make a GREAT Huddy fan fiction story, jmho)

House' line to Cuddy at the end was very good!!

Am I the one one who laughed at House' expression to Wilson when House asked Wilson if he had sex with Cuddy and House was like "really?" Hugh's expression was fantastic!!!

Next week's episode looks very intriguiung!! :)

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Loved the prank House played on Wilson

I remember reading the spoilers way back in decemeber as I was watching, and I never remember spoilers.

You know House has a crush on Cuddy, and the whole wondering if Wilson had sex with her proved it.

Loved the clinic patient.
-So do I have diabetes?
-Worse you're pregnant.

Yeah, pretty good episode. I thought House was a bit mean the way he was playing with Wilson though.

Why am I not surprised that House watches "fake wrestling"? Also, I wish I had an excuse to answer the phone the way House did this episode (Somebody better be dying).

Honestly, I can't think of much to comment on with this episode. It wasn't a bad episode, just not a lot to discuss.

I am somewhat angry with my local station for putting up a full screen announcement of a severe storm warning for a county that I'm not even in though. I guess they can't just isolate the sets in those counties, but couldn't they just run a ticker across the bottom like they usually do? This black out the sound and the picture for a few seconds, then the full screen announcement came up for what seemed like forever, then the screen was still blacked out with no sound for a little longer. I didn't miss anything too vital to the plot, but I still would have liked to have heard that part.

The ending does leave the question open again of what the writers are trying to do with the House/Cuddy dynamic. I like their relationship and can totally believe they were intimate before, but I think I like them better as really good friends.

For some reason for a second I thought Cameron and Chase were on a video phone, and I was like how does that work? House is on a regular phone. Then I realized it was a split screen.

It may just be because of the sea of angst surrounding the Tritter arc, but I'm loving that we've been having more of the old 'playful' episodes lately.

I loved the House/Wilson interaction at the end. And House's glee at getting a letter printed. Did anyone get what sort of magazine that was? A tabloid? Something to do with video games? Was it recognisable?

The 'neener neener' look Cameron gave Chase when he came into the office bright-eyed and bushy-tailed was quite scary. She's been a bit like that lately.

Well, there seems to be a consensus on the love of the House/Wilson helping this episode. Damn but isn't House cute when he's all little boy mischief?! And Wilson giving it right back. I so love it when we get House/Wilson.

AE, I think it was a tabloid. The cover has "PTERODACTYL terrorizes citizens" as a headline. Did you notice that he bought like a ton of copies?! :lol:

This episode had a very Season 1 feel to it and I really liked it. I love me some House angst but I also think we need the lighter House sprinkled in or I don't see how House wouldn't just take that gun he has and blow his brains out. I think we all need that little breather and I think once again that it is very realistic.

Now, the medical mystery had me going but I wonder how far they stretched the answer. I mean I get it but how much exposure would those kids have to have to get that screwed up? I'd imagine the waste exuded through daddy's skin was somewhat diluted as his body would have absorbed some. Otherwise what would be the purpose of him using it? And how often was he using it? How long would it take to get out of his system? Plus he didn't really seem like a touchy feely kind of guy, especially with the son. And I'd hope they'd hug with their clothes on, how much skin contact could they have in a hug with their clothes on?

But, I have to admit it had me going. I even thought maybe the daycare chick was really a man or something and had left his estrogen hormone therapy pills out at the daycare center. Or the big brother was being ornery and stole them out of his/her purse and either was taking them himself and little sister saw it, thought it was candy and took some herself. Or he gave them to her to test them out because that's what kids do right?!

I was so totally wrong. And although I didn't think the end diagnosis was very believable (I'm sure it is a valid solution as they do quite a lot of research for the show) I was happy to once again be drawn into the PoTW's case.

Now the House/Wilson/Cuddy thing. I have a theory. If you'll notice, House never pushed things with Stacy, didn't start playing games with her until she said she was over him. Up until then he did his usual little dance of innuendos and shocking remarks but after that it turned serious. He started playing games with her, prodding her, leading her on. All to get her to recant that statement, to get her to admit that she still loved him.

In "Top Secret" Cuddy tells House she's over him. That's when the games begin. That's when he starts getting manipulative. I think he can't handle that "rejection". That he needs to prove that they really aren't over him to make himself feel good. That maybe the abuse he suffered as a child has lead him to constantly prove he is not only good enough, but the best. And that goes for his life, his career and sexual conquests so to speak.

I think he is just pursuing this to get Cuddy to admit she's not over him. The offer of the play was I think sincere but it was with the purpose of getting her to face the feelings she has for him in House's mind. Yes, I really am that cynical when it comes to House.

In my mind I like to think that he is capable of falling in love again and that maybe Cuddy is the one or that he at least has a crush on her. But, and I've said this many times before, I don't think House gives his heart, his trust and his friendship easily. And I think he's always been like that. The infarction fiasco and Stacy just made it even harder for him to open up. And we've seen the devestating effects of her leaving the second time, even though it was his choice to send her away. I just don't see him having come that far along that he is willing to open up to anyone, even Cuddy at this point.

I would hope that he keeps on her and that she continues to deny her feelings. That as he continues to take some baby steps and work his way back to the level I think he was at before the infarction (and maybe further)that eventually, when the time is right House will be ready to try a relationship at the same time Cuddy is ready to admit she has still has feelings for him. And maybe in seeing the baby steps and the progress he may make that this will rekindle her feelings for him if they have truly died. But that's my romantic vision for Season 12 of House.

And, not to be confused, I do think there is a romantic living inside of House and that's a big reason he is so guarded. He knows what pain that can cause (probably because he loved his father and was continually betrayed in that relationship) and will not let it out to run until he's sure. And that assurance rarely ever happens in love.

I agree with whoever said this was a breath of fresh air after all the angst.

I thought the patient-of-the-week was done quite well, though I guessed that the boy had the same thing wrong with him as the girl long before House/the ducklings did (go me!) when he first started macking on Cameron.


Wilson was extra-cute in this episode. I'm glad he knows how to pull House's chain a bit too, so it's not all just one-sided.

House: I'm gonna miss you!....You were a good friend!

--

Wilson: I'm gonna go into her office and I'm--I'm just--I'm gonna kiss her. Just do it. I'm just gonna do it. *gesticulates emphatically like only RSL can*

House: *stares warily*


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with everyone. I'm so glad Wilson got some screen time! We've had to take his and House's relationship so seriously lately. It's comforting to see them up to their old hijinks.

PotW was interesting, although if I were that little boy's dad...well, I'd have taken some serious disciplinary measures if he acted like that even when he was really a teenager. <_<

I don't know about the Duckling of the Week. I wasn't just hugely impressed with any of them. Foreman was acting like he had PMS, and with Chase all I could think was "Nooooo....Chaaaaaase....just let it go, there are plenty of fish in the sea that aren't Cameron..." (Although I guess if he was able to let it go he wouldn't be Chase anymore. "I was a boy once..." Puh-leeze. :rolleyes: ) I actually think I'm going to say Cameron, because while I don't necessarily like her when she's being all pouty and irritable, I have to admit it's an improvement over the insufferable smugness we've been getting out of her lately.

I liked how House tried to dodge the case at the beginning of the episode. They haven't been doing that as much lately and they're usually really funny scenes. The clinic patient was funny too.

Rtlemurs, I think you're probably on the right track with your House/Cuddy theory even if the writers don't have it worked out that far yet. I agree that the events in "Top Secret" made House start paying closer attention to the way Cuddy acts around him, enough attention to deliberately start trying to influence it. To me, it's less of a "rejection" issue as it is House's fascination with anyone who acts in an "untruthful" way or in a way he thinks defies logic. He thinks he has Cuddy (and had Stacy) figured out, and both women acted in a way that defied his conclusions--so he starts trying to prove that they're lying, because obvoiusly him being wrong isn't an option.

He can never just let that go with anyone, coworker or patient; he has to poke it with a stick till the person sees the truth of the situation (read: admits he's right). And the infuriating thing is, even if the person doesn't admit he was right out loud, he usually is right (I'd argue that he was largely right about Stacy), and it usually gives him visible satisfaction to be right. (With regard to his father, I'd go back to what he said in "Son of a Coma Guy" about wanting to hear his father say that House was "right.")

That's my take on it, anyway. And to be fair, Cuddy's body language...she's not exactly wearing a big "Keep Out" sign. <_<

RTL, I'm totally with you on the House hiding a big romantic inside-- I believe Hugh even remarked that House is a bit of a romantic way deep down in an interview once. I definitely think he could love someone again and the more I think about it, your theory on why House is pursuing Cuddy is dead on.

As for them getting together though, I'd still rather they not, though if House has to get involved with someone from the hospital/main cast I'd rather it were Cuddy because I can see that relationship actually working or can at least see what they'd see in each other. Like I said, I guess I just like the dynamic better with them as just super close friends who know it shouldn't go further. I know I've had male friends with whom I was close and could have a really great time. As friends we got on famously, but I think we both knew that if it became a romantic relationship one of us would end up killing the other eventually. I guess I see House and Cuddy that way too.

And the magazine House had was definitely a tabloid and one of the stranger ones too-- which I equate with trashier. Here in US there's the Enquirer and Star that are definitely not Pulitzer worthy--but I read them anyway or at least glance at them in the checkout aisle because, as a prof. of mine once said, Hey, I'm in the communication business :D -- but focus mostly on what the celebrities are up to lately and have the ocasionally far fetched story, and then there's Weekly World News that tends to go more for the Florida Granny Gives Birth to Elvis's Two-Head Alien Love Child kind of stories, or report that the missing link has been found roaming the alleys of Calcutta. The one House was looking at with its T-Rex abduction story sounds more like the latter. (and speaking of my complaints about my inability to spell and type lately, you do not want to know how many times I had to type the word "abduction" before I got the "d" and the "b" sorted properly).

Edited because, in line yet again with my linguistic woes, there's something to be said for actually putting words in an order that readily makes sense.

I totally agree with you on the House/Cuddy relationship.

I think that House likes Cuddy in a romantic way and Cuddy although she is his boss seems attracted to House too. I think that they've both been hurt in the past but yet they know how to comfort each other and yet still push each others buttons, does that make sense?

God and peace
Vanessa :)

:D People agree with me, that's pretty cool but now, after rewatching, I'm not so sure I'm right.

I mean I think in general I'm right but I don't think House knew Wilson was going to take Cuddy. Once Cuddy confronted him about the abuse and said she went to a play he put two and two together, that's when the games began. And it really was more to mess with Wilson's mind than with Cuddy's.

And I think House's offer of a play to Cuddy was very, very tongue in cheek. I believe that he knows that she knows about the whole "You only go to a play because a chick drags you and you want to see that chick naked" (Maybe he told her that way back when or suspected that Wilson may have said something). So, after Cuddy's comments about relationships he was giving her a little poke. Basically a "You don't want complicated here I am", knowing full well that she would not take him up on it and that he would get a rise out of her. But also, to make her think about what she was saying. Was that really what she wanted?

But, in the theme of this episode I'd have loved for her to say "Okay" and for him to look all suprised and go "Seriously?!" :lol:

And Lily, I think you've hit it on the head and exressed what I couldn't quite put into words. I think that holds true throughout and is the source of many of the mind games he plays. But now, the question is does he really feel Cuddy still has feelings for him? And was this just a foot in the door so to speak, kind of the "Let the games begin", opening flag. Or does he know that Cuddy really doesn't have romantic feelings for him. It will be interesting to see.

He knew Stacy did and he had the safety of Mark and a marriage. He could play his games, get her to admit the truth and he could keep from getting hurt again because he could call her on the marriage. Problem is he wasn't over her and did fall and did get hurt again. He carried through on pushing her away but I think somewhere in the middle he wasn't so sure he wanted to push her away again.

With Cuddy he doesn't have that safety net. If he plays he better be sure it's for keeps. That he wants it because if not he would be hurting Cuddy for no good reason. As much of a bastard as House can be I just don't think he'd do that and is probably more sensitive to causing undo pain in a relationship than most. That's why they do their little dance and he's happy to keep it at that level.

I also think he knows it's nothing serious and that they had their fling (I'm betting pre-Stacy) and they both knew then that it was just a fling. I think he believes that Cuddy's affection and attentions now would be too tainted or influenced by her guilt over her part in his pain and disability. He definitely doesn't want that!

So, I don't think they'll get together in a serious way unless one of them changes dramatically and I don't see that happening either. I do like Lisa Edelstien's idea that they do get together for one hot night and realize it's a mistake and will never work. More because I think stuff like that happens with folks like that. There is an obvious attraction and eventually they think "ah what the hell, lets give it a try". But sometimes it's like Catlady said, great friends but death as lovers.

And not that I really want to see House in a relationship, but I do think there is some natural progression that would take place. And sometimes these things happen, sometimes they don't. Since they already had one fling, maybe they know already and that's why they are the way they are now. Yeah, that's it. I'm gonna go with that theory for now. :)

Loved tis one and the House/Wilson was just classic - it has been a little sparse after last season's living together but this and Son of A Coma have more than made up for it.

House and Cuddy is interesting and I agree RT - that some of this is House's need not to be rejected. There have been points, my mind flips back to the scene in Sports Medicine where Cuddy says to him 'give me something I cna say yes to!" when Cuddy seemed to want House more than the reverse. Now she says she isn't interested? I'm not sure how House would react if Cuddy reciprocates? Will be fun finding out :)

Actually, the POTW it's a reference of a Woody Allen's stand-up comedy.
Here's the link: http://www.ibras.dk/comedy/allen.htm#Eggs

I think House and Cuddy had something when they were attending school. Then he met Stacy, stayed together until the infarction and a little time more, then they broke up and Cuddy hired him. As far as the story goes House had been working for crappy places before he got the job at PPTH, where he went because, I think, he relied on Cuddy's medical staff.... or something.

HL and RSL were so great acting like children...

Ps: are everyone here women?

That's pretty funny about the Eggs Benedict (I think you meant the clinic patient, not the PoTW though. Just so others don't get cconfused.) I wonder who the Woody Allen fan is?

And nope Jormanks, not all ladies here, we do have a mix which is nice because sometime we need a sex translation (Guy askes "Now why would anyone do what Cuddy just did?" or gal asks "What's with the ice bag on the privates?")

Ah yes, the PPTH universe timeline! :lol:

That seems correct but if you remember House tells Wilson in "Control" that he's been through three regime changes at PPTH. Now I'd have to presume he's talking about Chairman and not Dean of Medicine, because Cuddy definitely hired him. But, I don't know if she could have been in some other position when she hired him and then moved up to Dean. Now in I believe it was "Detox" Cuddy mentioned he has doubled his Vicodin intake from when she hire him. Which we later find out, if I'm translating correctly, was 5 years ago as of season 1.

Now three regime changes in that time seems a bit extreme to me so did House work at PPTH before the infarction, before Stacy, and maybe even before Cuddy. Then, because of his typical behavior got fired. Maybe a lawsuit, Stacy was his lawyer through the hospital then. Wins but new boss comes in and gets rid of him. Hooks up with Stacy and that's why he's still around when the infarction occurs and ends up at PPTH for treatment. Did Cuddy originally hire him, then fire him then after the infarction felt guilty (but also a bit of truth to her bargain basement argument) and rehired him?

Whatever the speculation, we only know that Cuddy and House were at the University of Michigan at the same time. Cuddy took over the infarction case after other doctors at PPTH screwed it up. Stacy left him five years prior to season 1. Cuddy hired him 5 years prior to season 1. That House "says" he has been through 3 regime changes at PPTH (but not all that comes out of his mouth can be believed I don't see a reason to lie in this particular cituation). And that at some point in their past House and Cuddy have slept together.

Someday, hopefully, we will get a clearer timeline but right now they are dishing it out in very skimpy portions.

Yes and no. We know that House is very good at hiding his true feelings. So it may just look that way because Cuddy isn't. I mean she is certaily not draping herself all over him but I think she is willing to let it show a bit. Maybe in hopes that he'll get the hint and if he is hiding his interest he will eventually respond when he's ready for a relationship again.

And, House strikes me as the kind of person who is very comfortable alone. That for the most part he can live without human contact. So his desire for a relationship was probably never a huge priority to begin with and after the infarction is even less. Plus, guys generally aren't as relationship oriented. Not saying they don't want them but it isn't a driving force for them as much as it is for women (although that dynamic has changed over the past several decades).

Whatever the case, it does seem that we see Cuddy dropping hints more so than House but House has showed his hand a bit too. But ultimately I think after their initial fling I think they both know it'll never work as a long term thing so they enjoy the game and maybe one day(or night) will hook up again for a little sex and go back to the game like nothing even happened.

Oh, didn't know the eggs benedict thing, but having had the pleasure of being an uninsured student--fortunately my parents were willing and able to help out with medical expenses-- and having made the acquiantance of others, I can see how people might try the old switcheroo to get medical care.

I was not expecting that though because from what I understand, some men really do have a serious phobia about peeing in public to the point that they literally can't--as an aside, I'm female and don't really have a problem using public restrooms anyway, but for some reason my bladder seizes up if I have to provide a specimen, so if you ever had to provide a sample and were stuck waiting for someone who was taking forever, you may well have run into me before-- so I was expecting him to have a really bad bladder infection-turned-into-kidney infection from holding it all the time.

sorry, while I'm blushing and drowning in embarrassment could you explain me the diference between those?
POTW and PoTW?

See, I'm not a native English speaker, I'm from a little far who happens to watch House and love to read this forum, and that's why I post so late... and so few.

Well, regarding the timeline, I was just saying something not so.... complete... just guessing. And your comment, wow, just wow. You got me. It seems a rewatch is very convenient.

Just looking around I found this:
http://www.housefans.net/concordance/timeline.aspx#28

Not so concrete but it could help.


Ps: I'm the woody allen's fan :P

Jormanks, you're welcome regardless of where you're from. I'm from the US and still wind up posting at strange times, perhaps to become stranger if the job I just got requires me to work nights (I'm trying to avoid it, but since I'm going to be the "new girl", or one of them, I pretty much get whatever shift they tell me to take).

Unless I'm missing something TPOTW and TPoTW are the same thing (the patient of the week), meaning the person whose case is the primary focus of the episode rather than various clinic patients or other random patients that may show up, it's just that the capitalisation is irregular.

I believe the question of who the Woody Allen fan is was meant as who out of those who are involved in writing the show scripts is the fan as this isn't the first reference to Allen's comedy that's shown up. The other was in "Failure to Communicate" last season where Stacy paraphrases Allen's routine about the man whose friend, or is it his wife I've forgotten thinks he's a chicken (they don't have a problem with it because they sort of need the eggs) when she says she needs the curry, to which she's previously compared House.

And for the record the thing with the timeline is that it's the best anyone can figure out but definitely not official. The problem is that the show has contradicted its established timeline, for instance, it appears in "Socratic Method" that House's birthday is shortly after Christmas, but his wrist band when he's a patient in "No Reason" shows his birthday as being in June--the same day and year as Hugh Laurie's--, then it seems like according to the show there's no way that everything that's occurred could happen they way they say it did according to the information we've had previously (supposedly House and Stacy were together for five years and House's infarction was eight years ago, but then that doesn't seem to leave enough time for House to have done some of the things he's reported have done in late episodes).

I'm not trying to criticize or correct you BTW. If everything I've said is old news to you, please forgive me, I am often overly fond of the sound of my own voice, or the sound of my own typing I guess given that I'm not actually talking to you.

Yeah, I know ... that's why I put the emoticon right there. ;)

The link i posted about the timeline was for looking, for a guide... not the "official" thing but something some people noticed while watching the show. I think that writing House, the show, is a very complicated process. They have to do some mayor character improvement "on the fly" while the show is still running, something that makes a certain timeline not concrete enough.

But, as Garcia Marquez wrote: Life is not what one lived, but what one remembers and how one remembers it in order to recount it...

Nah, don't worry. We are all sharing information and points of view... It's great to read opinions and comments for someone else. That's what forums are meant for, right?

No problem Jormanks! I'm always a little hesitant to correct things because first of all none of it is really that important in the big picture. And because I don't want to scare folks off. Many other boards are really militant about "mistakes" and folks get a little gun shy. We're not like that here :D

Like I said it was more for other readers benefit than a correction to you.

It's nice to know we have folks from outside the US in here and enjoying things. I know we have a few from England, a few from Australia, I think someone from Singapore (not sure if they're still around or just lurking), I think maybe a few from some European countries (Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain). But the more the merrier. And it is nice to get a different perspective on things.

So where are you from and what episodes are airing now for you?

Yes, rewatching is almost a must with this show. I catch so much in a rewatch. Plus it's fun to go back after reading things and see if you can see what others saw in a particular scene.

As far as the timeline, someone mentioned on another board today that according to the script for "Three Stories" it was 7 years ago as of the end of season 1 that House had the infarction. That Stacy stayed with him for two years after that and left him. I don't know if that was actually written in the script or infered or what. But yes, the House timeline is a fuzzy thing at best. And I agree that it has to be tough for the writers to do this on the fly and make it all work.

Plus you cannot always trust what House has said. Like with the birthday. My theory is that the reference in "Socratic Method" was from Cameron opening House's mail (we know this becasue she said as much). We don't know what mail it was. Something official, a birthday card, junk mail, solicitation, etc. My guess is House filled out some online solicitation for some information on something or a medical journal subscription and did not want to give out personal information so made up a birthdate. That's why he really had no clue when Cameron wished him a happy birthday.

I just cannot believe that the hospital that is treating him and his employer would not have his proper birthdate for his ID tag when he's a patient there. I mean just for social security, taxes and payroll considerations they would have to have accurate information. So whatever source Cameron had was wrong for whatever reason. But again, that's my theory. Nothing to back it on the show other than the ID tag on his wrist in "No Reason".

And because of all this, continuity is probably the least enviable job in TV (and movies). They really earn their money (and probably don't get paid all that much anyway!). And I certainly don't envy the writers.

As you said Jormanks, they have to do this on the fly. It's not like a movie where the script is written by one of two people and is set before shooting. Tehn, once it's shot that's it. Maybe a sequel or two that may need tweaking because of a timeline issue but for the most part is static. They really have to slam out these scripts for a TV show and be just as entertaining and accurate as any movie out there and keep in mind what the other six or seven writers have done with the characters or are doing with the characters. And be aware of on going storylines and relationships and backstory. Try that in a three or four week period (if they even have that much time!) :blink:

I think the folks in the entertainment industry earn their money more than most folks think. Now whether that is "worth" those sums is another matter but they definitly earn it.

That's if you decide to go the hollywood route. Which means you lose a lot of control over projects with higher ups dictating what is and isn't allowed. If you're like me and don't want someone controlling what you put into a move and what you leave out, then probably go the independant route. Yes, I do appreciate critism but if I feel something has to have something and some suit is telling me no, no matter what. If I had wanted fame and money I'd have worked harder on my appearance and became a model. Hollywood is designed to kiss people's asses in most cases which is another thing that turns me off to it.

I don't know about tv though, I don't know how that industry works, but I have known about the time the have to stamp out a script.

I wish I had seen woody allens stuff so I could contribute on that front.


I thought when Cameron wished House Happy birthday he was suprised because he wasn't expecting it I don't know I need to go rewatch that episode.

Of course being only a second semester film student I could not know what I'm talking about. (that wasn't sarcastic)

Well considering the time it takes me to write anything (of course I am decidedly not famous and probably not that good, maybe that has something to do with it, but from what I've heard from better writers it's rarely an easy process for anyone) I'm in awe of anyone who can produce an hours worth of material essentially every week. Having partners might make it easier, but then there's the adage about a camel being a horse designed by committee-- it's hard enough getting a group of people to agree on where to eat lunch, I can't imagine the amount effort that would go into producing a script everyone could feel good about. This is also why even though I think many of them are hacks--not that it has anything to do with jealously of course ;)-- I have a certain amount of grudging respect for published authors who put out a book, or multiple books, a year.

This isn't really the place for timeline debate, but I'll try not to hijack the thread completely. I actually want to believe that the "Socratic Method" is the correct one. As you said, there was no acknowledgement of the second date on the show it was just visible on the bracelet. My fanwank is that the props guys just had to make up a hospital bracelet and that bracelet needed to have information on it to look correct but they just put Hugh's birthdate on there in place of the one established previously because they need something there and they weren't counting on us being so obsessive as to freeze frame the scene and actually read the information. I see it as sort of the same way that the names of writers and show staff show up in random places-- like having wings of the hospital named after them or using one of their names in passing for the name of another doctor.

Okay, total hi-jack.

In fairness, Cuddy did have a birthday card so I think the initial intention was to use House's birthday as a way to examine something else about him and to not really get us using the red marker to circle House's birthday every year on our five -year planner. It was a plot devise that they probably felt was no big deal and since they didn't give adate they could fudge it a bit in the future if needed.

But, I believe, now that a date has shown up on something official in the House universe (ie the ID braclet) that will be the date they stick with. Although, the bracelet only appears in House's hallucination it is not really official. So is that his official birthdate? Just a random part of his hallucination with significance to something else?

Because of the year it's tough to see what other significance it has. We don't officially know how old House is but I can't imagine he's much supposed to be much older than Hugh. In fact I had read somewhere (I think it was the script for the pilot) that House was supposed to be 38 at the beginning of the series. The same age as Wilson but that he was to look much older. I think they've revised that a bit. But anyhow I just can't see why House would hallucinate a different birthdate unless it was significant.

As to a props person goofing, that is a possibility but they seem to be pretty sharp and I'd think that someone would have caught that, especially the continuity people. So, I believe that there is significance to the ID bracelet date. Either they thought the majority of fans would not make the connection to the earlier reference (it was early in the shows run when they didn't have a huge audience) or they wanted to throw us off, get us thinking about that. Or maybe just drop that in there for bigger things to come.

I know they have all said they don't plan very far ahead becasue of the nature of TV and just needing to get shows written, shot and ready to air, thay don't have time to think about alot of backstory. BUt I think over the summer or in the off time that all they so think about it and I'll bet in preseason preproduction meetings they discuss some of it and make sure eveyone know the details and direction they're going to take.

So I guess we just have to wait for the next birthday reference to see which if any it coincides with.