I really liked this episode!

It was very nice to see House/Hugh wearing that yellow shirt :)

It was nice to see some interaction between him and Cuddy :)

I liked Wilson and the Ducklings ability to solve a case on their own, good for them! Glad to see that Wilson had more lines!

Sorry to see Chase and Cameron part ways of their 'relationship' or lack their of. LOL

The dummy Ducklings House used on board the plane where interesting to say the least.

I had a feeling that Wilson was going to call that woman, good for him!

Next week looks very good!! :)

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Yay, a funny one. Unlike others, I love House's ugly shirt. A man after my own heart, nothing like a truly horrible shirt to brighten your day.

Just a few, non-serious, points:

As you might guess from my name I sort of resent the portrayal of the repressed, old cat lady. When I become an old(er) cat lady I'll have you know that I'll be a very cool cat lady.

And ugh, two episodes featuring dead cats in a row-- last night was a rerun of "Detox" featuring Jules, the dead and buried, now the orange guy. At least this one wasn't quite as dead but poor kitty, it even tried to warn you :( I have now fussed over my own cat and feel much better now.

I also now apologize to people who have been grossed out by bodily fluids on this show, especially the ones who had trouble with the pee laden ep. two weeks ago. I now feel your pain. My personal bodily fluid squick is barf, seeing it, hearing it, smelling it, ocassionally even thinking about it, NOT GOOD AT ALL. It was only television, but still I found myself looking away at some points. I have a barf radar similar to House's although mine doesn't come from medical knowledge, just extreme fear, I swear just before someone loses it I hear a tiny, smug voice in my head saying "Yup, he/she's going to barf now", most of the time there's nothing I can do about it.

Case in point, I was with a group of kids as one of the, in my case so-called, responsible adults. There was Playdough. At some juncture someone decided it would be a good idea to taste the Playdough. It was not. One of the other adults rushed over to take the offending dough from the victim's mouth. As she was doing so the tiny voice popped up, "Oh, yeah, he's definitely going to throw up". He didn't immediately as the other adult was going to get him a drink of water to wash the taste from his mouth, I thought disaster might have been averted, however before the water could be provided, you guessed it, "thar she blows". I know right there that there is no way I will ever be able to clean it up, fortunately there are other adults who are handling that task. however there are other children. I figure someone's got to keep on eye on them, try to prevent sympathy barfing and keep everyone from freaking out--when you're little throwing up is a little freaky, well in my case, it's still freaky, but anyway-- so there I am purposely turning my back on the scene, supressing my gag reflex, and reassuring the other kids to stay in their seats and not worry about their friend because the other adults are helping him/will take him to his mom so she can clean him up. I managed to keep my breakfast where it was, but I cannot tell you how badly I wanted to run far, far away from that room, possibly while screaming (and of course the cleaner uppers couldn't find enough paper towels and were having a horrible time getting the barf up).

I am now caring even less for Cameron than ever before. This girl has got to be mentally unstable, there is no other answer.

It is however clear, that Chase has definitely never owned a cat before. As a now long-time cat owner I can tell you, cats like to watch, everything, but especially anything involving nudity on the part of their humans-- I cannot even begin to describe the look of disgust on the face of my little beastie if she sees me changing clothes. And don't even get me started on how rare it is to get to use the bathroom at home without feline company. Frequently not only do they want to watch, they even want to "help"-- my cat has apparently never seen anything so engaging and irresistable as me trying to do Yoga. Chase should be grateful that the cat didn't decide to join in the fun and swat at any and all dangling body parts.

I figured there was no way House was going to volunteer without serious coercion. I like the way it played out. It also proved House does really know his stuff. I think it banishes any question about his skill at LPs that might have been raised during the episode with Anica, the Munchausen's sufferer (pardon me for spacing on the name). If he can pull it off on an airplane with the wrong kind of needle, he can probably do one under normal circumstances with is eyes closed.

Again, Chase seems to be growing into his own. He seemed like about the only one with any real clue, except Wilson sort of, despite the extracurricular stuff with Cameron.

I loved pseudo-Chase on the plane too. Is he going to grow up to be the next House or what--later citing the moment he knew he wanted to be a doctor as when he met this wierd old guy on a plane one time?

Oh, and I have to say when House wanted to check the Korean guy's wallet the first thing that popped into my mind, which I then said out loud, was Miracle Max's line from Princess Bride about the only thing you can do when they're all dead, not mostly/part dead ("Go through their pockets and look for loose change"). Yes, folks, all my obsessions and cultural references are blending into one. More convenient that way at least, I guess.

AUGH Princess Bride!!! I adore that movie. And that's really a fantastic reference :-) I also really laughed pretty hard about the clubbing baby seals line. Also a question there - if they're flying from Singapore, would they be going over the North Pole???!!! Or was that Cuddy just entering into the mass hysteria? I know you fly north - I've taken plenty of pictures of Greenland from my plane window flying to Ireland and Germany, but would you be getting that far north from Singapore? Oh well - minor detail.

I too was also really impressed by House in this ep. That was pretty impressive medical work and diagnostic work - despite that hideous shirt :D I also really loved the "duckling subs" on the plane; I think it's interesting how House sees them as not really relevant or helping with the job on their own, but for him to be able to bounce ideas off of. I know that the Ducklings do actual work and are becoming good diagnosticians and more skilled in their particular fields, but it's neat how even though House pushes people away that he needs people in order to work on his own. Anywho...

Oh Cameron! I would Love to fly down to PPTH and smack that girl upside the head. <_< I have to disagree - I am so glad to see that "relationship" (if you can call it that) on the way to being over, although I don't think I'm going to enjoy seeing what happens to Chase over the next couple of weeks. Thank heavens he has a brain about him.

The patient back at PPTH was....interesting. I loved Wilson's line "I'm beginning to feel sorry for House". I'm impressed that the call girl stuck around as long as she did. I did enjoy the amount of Wilson (but I still want more!!) even though he ended up being wrong.

Foreman also irritated me a bit this week - not too much but he seemed a little off and more confrontational then usual. Hmm.

All in all - this was great! And the eps just keep coming :D

I need to not make dinner while watching House, I obviously missed a lot. I don't remember the cat. Wait Yes I do, it being mentioned but not seeing it. My minds gone.:unsure:

I did love the pseudo ducklings on the plane. Of course they had to have the guy who was dying speak a language no one else on the plane spoke; otherwise we would have probably found out sooner, that he was a mule.


Who commented last week about wanting Wilson more center stage? Yeah so he was just a substitute for House, but perhaps it's a step in that direction I don't know? I personally I enjoyed Wilson in House's place.


Wait so is the Cameron and Chase thing dying off? I hope so.

Hehe I loved the scenes of House examining Cuddy on the plane, you can tell that he cares for her. (I'm not a shipper! ok I am but I'm not damn it!)


For some reason I only remember the scenes on the plane, which means I need to rewatch it.

Wait wait wait wait!! I remember when Wilson was quizzing the woman hilarious. "did you have sex?" "Not with him" (I think I can't remember the quote)


Mass hysteria is real, yes yes very real. I'm also convinced I'm a hypochondriac, because when I'm done watching House I wonder if I have some horrible disease, and just going to collapse at any moment. Maybe I secretly want to be transferred to the House verse and have House as my doctor. Can you honestly blame me, of course there'd also have to be a chance of Cancer so I'd get to see Wilson as well. So enough with my fantasy :ph43r: Though that's not mass hysteria really.


edited:remembered something.

Chase - Cameron = Whew.

I'm glad it's (hopefully) over too. I found it rather unbelievable that AFTER she's gotten him in trouble, made him do all sorts of things it seemed he'd never do ordinarily (he always seems shocked when she suggests sex in bizarre places), and even distracted him from his diagnosis, he said he wanted more of a relationship. UGH.

Was very pleased when Chase went back to investigate again. Go Chase go!

Also good to see that he apparently watches CSI, which once had a similar plot with fumigation and shared electric conduits. ;)

What was House up to at the end, where he leaned across Cuddy for no apparent reason? You couldn't see his hands, so I dunno if it was a hug or a grope or what. His interactions with her were pretty funny. "No seriously, I need to take your clothes off for various important medical reasons."

Sorry for abandoning you all last night. Crappy dialup strikes again! :angry: Someday I'll get at least a reliable connection (I hope). I guess I can take comfort in the fact that my TV service is more reliable. Okay, enough whining from me, on with the episode.

I loved House's line to the mother of the crying kid as they boarded the plane. So very close to what goes on in my head when that situation occurs, minus the 'give her 20mg of antihistamines'. I just go with the ' I'll kill her' :) ;)

I hope we get to see the new cane, I didn't happen to notice it in the previews so we'll see if he uses it, keeps it in the spare cane rack at home or if vanishes into the ether and is never seen again.

Loved the confusion over Cuddy's first class ticket! :lol: House you are such a button pusher! And then playing all nice and letting Cuddy go up front to have the first class seat. How long has she known House? She should have known something was up!

Okay, who thinks House would have liked the old lady (who consequently isn't that old)? Loved Wilson this episode. Yes, you knew he was going to ask the gal out when she left her phone number. I hope we get to see the date or at least some follow up on that.

Foreman was being annoying this episode. I'm really beginning to like Chase. Do you think that to some degree his being 'on his own' or rather his realization that he is on his own has brought this out in him? Is it because he feels he needs to work harder now that it's just him or is he working harder to earn acceptance and approval? I mean I think he has learned a lot from House but up until "Finding Judas" he hasn't really pushed or made that intuitive leap. Or at least has never mentioned or followed through on it. So what changed or is it just natural growth for the situation?

I'm not even going to try to figure out Cameron anymore. I guess I kind of like the fact that they take this sweet doe eyed fellow who is so patient rights and compassion when we first meet her and shown us that under that shiny veneer is a sick twisted little puppy that has so many more issues than anyone else on the show. I just hope they don't turn her into psycho creepy stalker women.

So, why is Cameron so afraid of commitment. I mean she married a guy that she knew was dying so it predates her marriage. What makes a gal that afraid of commitment?

Loved the pseudo ducklings too. :lol: And I agree in that it shows an interesting side of House. I think initially he was just playing around, not taking the situation too seriously and thought it would be fun to mess with other people's heads too. But I think that maybe he just has that need for an audience. That maybe he realizes on some level that he is not perfect and his brilliance is sometimes precipitated by others comments and observations. That he does need other people for his magic to work.

Best line, a tie between "I'm not in heat House!" and "Should I imagine stripper Cuddy or Mother Superior Cuddy?" :lol: Just loved all the banter between those two. And yes, I did wonder what House was doing in the scene after it was all over and he leaned over her. I'll need to rewatch that. Darn! :P

So do you think House will hookup with the stewardess?

All in all a good episode. I was a little disappointed in the mass hysteria theory being the cause of everyone else's sickness, especially Cuddy's but does it tell us something about House? Or not does it tell us something but are they trying to point out that maybe House is making things worse because he so thoroughly believes that they are worse. And again that on some level he knows this, is able to spot it in others and either won't apply it to himself or refuses to acknowledge it in himself. I mean if people can cause themselves to puke, have a fever and a rash what's a little leg pain in an obviously damaged limb?

The mini!Chase was my favorite part of this show. And Foriegn!Foreman and... well the stand-in Cameron was exactly like the real one, so there's no point in even adding a modifier. Priceless! :lol:


One thing that annoyed me though: why was it only two women who got conversion disorder? Seriously we know House is a sexist pig which is why he made the "science says women are weak" comment, but the writers really ought to know better. I've known several hypochodriacs who often worry themselves literally sick, and most of them are male. Statistically, there should have been at least *one* guy freaking out too. <_<

Gah!


But yea, Cameron is officially batshit crazy. Have we decided yet exactly what she was doing with Chase (well besides the obvious)? I still hold to the theory that she was trying to convince herself that she's over House, but I'm not as 100% sure as I was last week.

I actually felt sorry for Chase though. He was trying to be a decent guy about it instead of just a poon-hound but Cameron wouldn't let him. Well maybe he'll be nicer to women in general now that he knows how the other side usually gets treated by the opposite sex. Either that or he'll get all bitter about it and become a raging misogynist. He and House can form a club. :P

Funny episode with a clever title. ^^ Although I almost wish they'd called it "Shakes on a Plane" or something dumb like that.

I'm fourthing or fifthing or sixthing the "What the ($&% is up with Cameron?!" I mean, I get that she's all proud of herself for being able to have noncommittal sex, but seriously--she yanks Chase into an empty room like three times a day. Sex isn't the only way in the entire world to entertain yourself, Cameron. Go read a book or something.

Or, you know, do your job. I guess she's not nearly as concerned about patients as she used to be. <_< I loved Chase's increasingly exasperated facial expressions all during the episode. I agree, RealRazumihin, I was expecting him to tell her he was sick of this in that last scene. He gets attached too easily. ;) But he's still the Duckling of the Week seeing as how he seems to be the only useful doctor around when House is gone.

Dead kitty... :(

So did House figure out about the mass hysteria thing before or after he did all those ever-so-justifiable medical exams on Cuddy?...I liked Cuddy in this one even though she was all panicky. She seems like the type who would do that, so it didn't feel out-of-character or anything. I liked House's Holmes-esque description of the Korean guy to the flight attendant. It's nice to see that "on-the-ball" side of him right after we see his more adolescent side. And Chase-Kid was adorable. I notice the other two were grown-ups. -_- Cameron shouldn't have been.

Wilson kind of disappeared toward the end. My favorite part with him was when he goes skipping out into the hallway after happily yelling "It's breast cancer!"

yeah I don't like Cameron any more now than when the show started. She's got issues for sure!! I did feel sorry for Chase, knowing that he wanted more out of the relationship, or lack there of and Cameron said no.

all in all a very good episode! :)

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Cameron = insane.

I have to say that tha razor blade taped to the biro seemed like one of the most painful things I've seen on a House episode.

Ew, somehow I missed the razor blade/pen (Biro) combination. Yeah, that would be really awful.

And Lily you'll be interested to know that some people on the TWOP boards were referring to this as "Snarks on a Plane" in the early days when they knew the basic plot but didn't know the official title-- "Fetal Position" was "Touched by a Fetus" BTW. They tend to get a little too hysterical at times about how the latest development according to spoilers will be the beginning of the end for the show, but they do come up with really rad fake ep. titles. Got to give them that.

Also, when the blonde girl asked "Am I going to die?" was I the only one who blurted out "I sure hope so" due to annoyance? I am as big a hypochondriac as anyone else, probably bigger to be honest, but really girl, try to get a grip.

I was also thinking of how disappointed House would be with the pill supply in my purse (or maybe the word would be scarred by): generally I have an antacid or two, a Benadryl--maybe useful for the screaming toddler at least-- and a bottle of Midol. If it were a good day, or I was traveling with my mother allowing us to pool our purse resources, I might also be able to offer a bandage, some antibiotic ointment, a packet of Listerene breath strips, and a spray bottle of air deoderizer-- left over from when I was a little kid and used to freak out over gross public restrooms--, maybe also some Saltines and a tube of chapstick. I also used to have a pair of mini scissors--which everyone made fun of until they needed them-- and still have a sewing kit and a small tape measure. Like I said disturbing--and sort of makes me wish the show Let's Make a Deal was still on because Monty Hall would love me.

so... let's recap. As i was watching i noticed many references to earlier eps.... If somebody can help me, please go on:

- Chase's correct diagnostic: "Finding Judas". Here he didn't get a punch in his face, but a shot at his heart. He was hurt badly in both eps.

- Dead Kitty: "Detox", as catlady pointed earlier

- Cerebral biopsy... or whatever: "Euphoria". The drilling and the coming back to the POTW's home to confirm the cause for her decease.

- Paula - Robin: House's personal companion at the end of "Distractions" here is more subtle but very intriguing.... and it was Wilson's choice, not House's.

- Mature woman's behaviour: It's not exactly the one that an old lady had in "poison" but both seem consistent. Also the sex part is commented.... i hoped her diagnostic would be based on that, so the comparative could be slightly good... well...
It could also be "Hunting", as the son-daughter acts in a way their parents not approve.

- House's sentimental relationship: Here was with Cuddy on a plane, in "Failure to communicate" was in an airport with Stacy. Yeah, I know, they had two cases instead of one (and isolated both) and the results were different, but still...

- Husband cheating on wife. "Clueless". And in both they had herpes.

Also is very interesting how Chase is fitting in House's steps: they both had problems with their fathers, they're sentimentally attached to a coworker, they see a very paternal figure in a total stranger (House's burakumin and Chase's boss...) and they are, in a way, very attached to the case they are working on. Well, the aussie is just beginning.

Well.... I'm just saying... maybe i'm nutz.

So, why do you think these 'themes' are repeating? Do you think they are just running out of things or that they feel these things are common enough to be repeated and still seem feasible? Or are tehy trying to tell us something?

And now, after rewatching I am beginning to wonder two things. One, why was House so nervous about operating on the guy, I mean besides the obvious? I kind of disregard the obvious because House is not your average guy and I never got the impression that tough situations would rattle him. He seems to revel in them most times.

Was it because it was out of his known environment and therefore he knew he had to be perfect, no screw ups. At PPTH, in a way, he had backup. If things went south he had the tools and equipment to compensate,at least put the guy on life support if needed. But in the air with a dispoable razor and a Bic the diagnosis had to be right and the surgery had to be perfect.

Or, was it the idea or thought that he was getting ready to inflict a great amount of pain on this guy and that rattled him (having been on the recieving end of major pain for some years now). Or, was he doubting his diagnosis now that there was no safety net so to speak? Or was that just showing us that he is human too and has his doubts and fears like any of us?

And maybe you medical folks can help me out on this one. If the theory held true that the guy was a mule and one of the condoms burst what exactly would surgery have done to help him? I know they could remove any other undamage condoms thus reducing the risk of even more drugs getting into his system but how would they remove the drugs that were already in his stomach/intestines from the burst condom.

I guess if it were rocks or pills there's a chance that they could get enough undisolved pieces out to make a difference. But a powder like cocaine or heroin, once mixed with the normal body fluids would be darn near inmpossible for them to remove in that situation. Unless they were going to just drain everything out and rinse it with water or something. And just finding actual undisolved pieces would be hard enough powder would be darn near impossible in all those intestines. I guess it's not like they had many options though. We might kill him in surgery but if we don't get the drugs out of the guy dies for sure.

Sorry, I didn't mean to get that graphic but it's an interesting scene.

Okay, the first thing I'm embarassed to mention was that I was totally not thinking drug mule, but mule in a different, but still in a, in a way, condom related sense but couldn't figure out why he would be allergic to one of his own bodily fluids or if he were why it wouldn't have manifested until then. Drug mule makes much more sense :lol:

I always wonder about themes and intentions. I didn't really think about any of the themes mentioned although some of them are probably themes just because of the nature of the work they do on the show. For instance, a lot of times what is making someone sick will be something they are exposed to at home or work. And I do know that this show borrows from real life medical cases. I've seen several instances where problems similar to ones showcased on the show have been featured in the new or in the "real life medical shows" that I seem to be particularly fond of, or I see something on one of those shows and then it shows up on House.

For instance, I knew about chimerism--which is what was wrong with the boy from "Cane and Abel", the one who thought he was getting abducted by UFOs-- from a show on the Discovery Health channel. Alternately, I was watching a show about medical mysteries last week and the patient turned out to have a tapeworm in his brain, thanks to my obsessive House watching I called the diagnosis way before the show got to it and I've also seen mention of toddlers who are in House's words, "marching the penguin" while strapped in their carseats or high chairs--fortunately these didn't think their child was having a seizure, but were wondering if it was normal for that young of a child to be doing it (yes they apparently even have been recorded doing it before they were born), and how to explain to the child in question that it wasn't something they should neccessarily be doing in public.

My problem with themes in things is that from writing myself I know how much slips in unconsciously. Granted sometimes you notice subsequently that there's a tie that you didn't intend to put in but which is fascinating and you develop it, but a lot isn't intentional. I have this same problem with literary themes. Not that I'm that great of a writer, but I've had the experience of writing something then showing it to a workshop group for instance and having them tell me about all these interesting things I'm doing and what I, unbeknowst to me, was referencing and have it be totally an accident that I did so. Anyway, all that is to say that I can't comment on very much on the repetition of themes--though I think I may be on to something as I mentioned this to certain professors I had and they just sort of smiled knowingly.

Now as for why House was nervous. I'm not sure it was the pressure perse. Although the pressure in this would be more for the reasons RT gave--essentially it's a lot harder to be sure of the decision without test to back it up and that if things go wrong they'd be harder if not impossible to fix.

House is not a surgeon, although as someone noted, he does seem to spend an awful lot of time in the operating room for a non-surgeon. Still even when he's intruding on the surgeon's territory, and if you know surgeons this can only lead you to conclude House is fearless,--sorry had to get my dig in, as I'm related to a surgeon and like to tease him even though the chances of him reading this are null-- there are usually "real" surgeons hanging around, or at least just a page away, to bail him out if he messes up.

The other thing is the missing and improvised equipment: and supplies. If the patient bleeds too much there's almost no way to give him a blood transfusion-- I suppose House maverick and history buff that he is could rig something up resembling how they did it in the really early days, but I doubt it would be too effective,-- (and how would they know his blood type or find out what anyone else's was if they didn't know). The patient is not going to be completely anesthetised, which means there will probably be both screaming and moving involved-- the people holding the patient probably couldn't keep him completely still and House is actually human, I don't imagine it's easy to cut into someone with them screaming at you while not being able to do anything about it. Everything is also far from sterile. I imagine that they would probably pour the alcohol that they didn't give to the patient over the instruments and incision site, but that's not the same thing as hospital level sterilisation. I also saw the rerun of the Grey's Anatomy episode where George and Alex end up having to open a patient's chest in a stalled elevator and it apparently worked, but they did at least have the proper supplies and instruments, which brings me to another issue: a razor blade attached to a pen is not a scalpel. I suppose it would work well enough and it would have to, but that's hardly what either is designed for. And there's the general problem, as I've been told, of giving anyone medical treatment on an airplane: if they start to tank, there's not a lot you can do.

Some of this could be mitigated a little once they get on the ground and to a medical facility, for instance giving the patient heavy duty antibiotics might make up for the lack of sterilisation, but all in all a pretty scary situation. Then of course House also usually doesn't do his thing with an audience of lay people. Heaven knows, some of the stuff he does even frightens other doctors.

I'm no medical person, and my tiny bit of knowledge of this actually comes from another of my TV obsessions Highlander: The Series--Dr, Anne happens to run across a drug courier at the airport--, so I don't know how they would get out the powdered drugs or how surgery would help aside from what you've mentioned, but I think it might be possible that the patient is having symptoms, but the condom has't ruptured yet. Like I said, don't know if that's possible or not.

So I finally re watched this episode, and I still don't see how I missed the cat the first time around. It was their for at least 3 scenes


Loved how the POTWs mirrored each other. One where they had modern equipment, and the other where the practically had nothing. I guess to show once again how brilliant House is.


And I was suprised that Wilson didn't know House was gone.