I really liked this episode. My favorite scene was with House and Cuddy on Cuddy's porch..House's reaction to whether or not he liked her was priceless!! The banter between them was so there!! :)

I felt really sorry for Cuddy to see her so sad and dissappointed after her date left :( I think she knew that what he had said was right (concerning her talk with House and what she sounded like when she talked to him) I sure do hope that House and Cuddy hook up or something..I can dream right? ;) :)

That was one big tape worm!! eww!!

I liked Wilson's train of thought of how this case could affect House's perception of his own pain.

The talk between Chase and Cameron at the end was very interesting. I sure hope they hook up and not House and Cameron (Like I saw in the previewed episode in 3 weeks, sorry to all ya'll who are Cameron/House lovers)

I can't wait to see Dave Matthews on House..that'll be soo cool!! :)

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Chase must never wear that hat again.

Otherwise, I enjoyed the episode, though I found the writing a little less subtle than I prefer. I'm of the "show, don't tell" school of story telling, so I like it better when the audience has to put the pieces together rather than have the characters directly state their motivations. But "not obscure enough for tpel" is hardly a damning criticism.

Loved the look on Cuddy's face when House turned up outside the coffee shop window. And House's expression when he realizes that Cuddy isn't wearing a bra. Though I'd rather he stay in dock, if House has to sail on any 'ship, this is the one.

It was nice to see Chase taking charge and coming up with an alternative method for testing the patient. I like how he's been coming into his own as a diagnostician this season. But the hat. Seriously. Never again. :P

Duckling of the Week: Cameron. Although they all had some good scenes.

Aww, I liked the hat! I don't think Chase is all that cute most of the time, but he was looking pretty good in that last scene. (The winter clothes strike again!) I think I like him better when I can't see his hair.

I'm completely with you on the "show-don't-tell" method, tpel, and I'm also nowhere near as forgiving about it as you are. ("Not obscure enough for Lily" is a pretty severe ruling. <_< :D )

So yeah, I had planned on registering my dissatisfaction about that as per usual, but I rewatched the episode this morning and I've changed my mind (this time....*insert maniacal laughter*). Because I think in this case it might have been deliberate.

We had a lot of talking about "feelings" in this episode, but they weren't emotional conversations. I'm thinking primarily of Cameron and Chase's "let's have sex" scene at the end and Foreman's breakup with Wendy, but even Cuddy's scenes, which were probably treated the most seriously of anyone's, weren't really very angsty. There was almost an air of deliberate silliness about all the "feelings" scenes, and that's really something considering the subjects that were discussed--Cameron's feelings about her husband have never been treated with anything less than absolute gravitas before now, and House's pain (and a possible cure for it) has been the Touchy Subject of the season. But Foreman's and Cameron's conversation wasn't that serious, and even when Wilson was guilting House out of performing the surgery neither one of them emotional. (By the way, I love how Wilson totally made the Ducklings go stand in the hallway so he could have a "grownup talk" with House. :D )

The PotW's antics and emotions and angst and even her diagnosis, on the other hand, were completely over-the-top, and it was fun to watch the Ducklings react to her with a more of a sigh than a gasp, even when she jumped. (Did anyone else see that OR doctor taking a picture of the tapeworm with his cell phone? Priceless!)

So rather than having an episode that built up to a bunch of suspenseful, tortured confessions, we got everyone just matter-of-factly stating their feelings to each other. Only House could have a Valentine's Day episode that's so deadpan and academic, and I think the writers might be just smart-aleck enough to have done that on purpose, especially given the episode title.

(I don't go on TWOP often, but this time I did and someone there remarked that all the "feelings" conversations might have worked better as musical numbers. I just about died laughing. I think this person was making a point with the comment, but I would love to see House: The Valentine's Day Musical. I bet my favorite song would be (as this person suggested) Wilson's "I'm tired of being your damn conscience." Closely followed by Foreman's vaudville number when he dumps Wendy. Season 3 bonus features, anyone? :lol: )

Something that felt off to me was Chase being so apathetic about telling the PotW that her mother was in pretty bad shape. Considering the fact that he's been on the receiving end of that, it seemed a little out-of-character. But whatever. He was good in this episode too. The writers haven't explicitly brought up his feelings toward House since Finding Judas, but if I pay attention JS has been doing a good job of putting them into practice. He really does act a lot more indifferently toward House than he used to.

Three weeks? It'll be spring soon and then there will be no more winter clothes. I've already seen Sexy!House, Sexy!Wilson, and now Sexy!Chase, so I'm hoping for Sexy!Foreman next time because there might not be another chance to see him.

I second that.

Three weeks? Are they trying to kill us? :blink: 'Cuz if they're trying to do that, they could at least have us as PotWs on the show and have House bring us back to life . . .

Oh yeah. How is it that House could pull the beanie off so well but Chase couldn't? Cameron's hat was pretty awful, too.

Yeah, I loved that OR scene. House at his best; a spectacle.

I agree, Lily. This is mostly the reason I'm not really fussed about the writers being so blunt, because it was great for a Valentine's episode, and the subject matter kind of helped to negate subtlety.


I, for one, enjoyed this ep almost as much as the last one. The House/Wilson dialogue was really good -- less tense than it has been of late. I loved the transvestite exchange -- that was classic House.

I've also found Wilson a little bit less annoying in the last couple of episodes. He isn't so superior.

The sub-plot with House and the patient's nerves was very good, I thought. I liked the matter-of-fact way that the writers broached the subject with Wilson rather than a condescending confrontation.

What's up with Cameron, eh? It's a big step between trying to fix House and casual sex with Chase.

Hm, I don't neccessarily want to say this was a bad episode, or that I'm feeling "meh" on it (at this point any House is still good House and better than practically anything else out there,-- though I must admit I'm a bit interested in the mass casualty incident on GA), but I don't feel a burning desire to discuss it either. Maybe I'm suffering acute obscurity deficiency along with Tpel and Lilly. Heaven knows I love to pick up all the bizarre and obscure clues and references in typical David Shore episodes.

First the serious stuff: my biggest question is, how serious was House about taking that spinal nerve? I guess we all know that House isn't always a nice guy, and if we didn't David Shore is quick to remind us, but the concept that he would do that disturbed me. He seemed aware of the study and countered Wilsons argument to why he shouldn't try that therapy, but on the other hand, at the end when Wilson suggested he ask POTW if he could harvest one he didn't want to, which makes me think he wasn't really considering it. House certainly isn't past using guilt in combination with his handicap to get something he wants, double so from someone he's unlikely to see again, but then maybe it's the asking not the harvesting that bothers him. House doesn't neccessarily seem to be one to ask for help no matter how much he might need it--could it be a consequence of living with a Marine-- as it would show that he had a weakness. I guess I'll continue to live in my happy little fantasy land where House would never dream of doing something to a patient soley for his own convenience.

As far as the House/Wilson relationship goes we are definitely not back to normal. They may have said their apologies and accepted the other person's, but the status quo has not been established; everything still feels a bit stiff between them (get your minds out of the gutter please H/W shippers). Granted this may be the new status quo, but I would say contrary to previous assertions (mostly on other boards and one in particular) the reset button has not been pressed.

And to some extent I wanted to say to Wilson, "Okay, you're tired of being House's conscience, fine. Don't be. No one asked you to in the first place and House is a big boy. He is capable of being in charge of himself and he does in fact have a conscience of his own". That may just be me. Both because I'm not thrilled with the way Wilson has gone about his so called duty lately, what that says about what Wilson may really think of House, and because there are times when if you're constantly saving your friend from self-destructing and it's becoming toxic for both of you, the best thing you can do for both of you is just step back from that role: either they'll end doing a better job than you think, they'll finally get the wake up call they need, or at the very least, you'll save your own sanity.

Finally, and I really thought this day would never come, I find myself agreeing with Cameron--I'll give you all a few moments now to pick yourselves up off the floor and perhaps poor a stiff drink if that's your style. :P :D :lol: <_< :) :) :( :unsure: :blink: :ph43r:
Okay that's enough. I don't think the shortness of her relationship with her husband neccessarily discount it having been the real thing. In their case it was short but intense. Yes, most of the time during that first year the hormones and endorphins smooth over the various rough patches that come from things like their loud early morning garggling or inability to hang their coat in the closet rather than the back of the sofa, or how the chew with their mouths open, but Cameron sort of got an accelerated tour of old age in that her husband probably wasn't particularly attractive in the midst of his illness (barfing, skin sloughing off, etc. anyone), or fun to be with, and went through some pretty demanding periods, so to some extent she got some of the equivalent experience to standing next to him brushing his teeth in forty years.

Okay now a few frivolous things. The hat wasn't that obviously hideous to me, but then I can see why some would protest as it does cover up the oh-so-pretty hair (not mocking anyone here, I'm attracted by it as well even though House has my undying love and worship).

And that was quite a tapeworm. I'm usually not especially affected by creepy crawlies/and or slimies (to the disappointment of many boys in elementary school who would show me a nice fat worm, say, and instead of running away shrieking I would respond along the lines of "cool, can I hold it" and I often pick up spiders with my bare hands to transport them outside to safety), but yikes. That baby kept coming, and coming, and coming. If that came out of a fish, yet another reason for practicing "Catch and Release" in my mind. Strangely, I was shocked even after having watched a program called Eaten Alive on the Animal Planet network that concerned various large and unusual parasites that people have picked up. I did miss the guy who was taking pictures with his camera phone though.

Urgh! Three more weeks, people, what are you trying to do to us here?!? Again, one of those weeks I will have to be somewhere else--and my family immediately on informing me of this obligation followed with "So, you'll need to tape House if that's okay"; <sigh> I have them so well trained. Still, there's fun teasing and there's cruel teasing, you my dear friends <hah> at Fox have just crossed the line.

Yeah... those 3 weeks are going to kill me. A lot can happen in 3 weeks. In 3 weeks, I will probably have plans to miss the rest of the season. Youch. How much does THAT hurt? Back to traveling hopefully... or at least a rafting trip...

So this episode... at first I was a little "meh" about it as well. It definitely requires a rewatch (later tonight). I think there was a LOT going on in this episode, which made it a little hard to take in all at once. First you have the whole potw, then House's apparent attempts at trying to heal himself, then Wilson's attempts (or not) to get their buddy status back to normal, Cameron/Foreman/Chase dealing with relationship issues, House dealing with Cuddy dealing with relationship issues... Yeah.... lots going on. I definitely enjoyed the House and Wilson banter though it did still seem stilted. Afterall, Wilson seems to want to not have to do this, but he's got some kind of.. well... problem where he thinks he is responsible for House's actions. The entire scene where Wilson takes House's articles or paperwork or whatever and then kicks the ducks out to have a word with House... that's definitely a kicker. It's also moderately surprising that House still trusts Wilson as much as he does. They do have a certain committment to each other.

As far as the Cuddy situation goes- very amusing. Love how House interferes with it and how Cuddy's date likes her better when she's bantering with House. House's reaction- gotta watch that one again. I often think about their interaction- from the beginning of the series, it seems like House has let her in on procedures he wants to do. Part of that, I'm sure, is hospital policy (like in Autopsy). But some of it is a little different (like the ep where the chick has the plague and he tells Cuddy that the potw is about to break up with the donor). He could lie. I don't think House consciously likes Cuddy- at least not up to now. It's like the schoolyard thing- where the little boy throws mud at the little girl because he just likes her so much. A thin line between love and hate? Maybe. It may also be because they've known each other a long time and she has backed him on multiple occasions- saving his ass. Maybe he feels like she's one up on him now and he owes her.

I think Foreman hit the nail on the head with Cameron. She needs to be needed... to care for people. We know that when she met her husband, he was already dying. The relationship didn't last long because he died. Cameron knew he was dying- so it doesn't seem like a real committment. She may have thought it was... certainly watching someone die is not pleasant... but I think Foreman has a point- watching someone as they age, having to deal with all of the habits, etc for 50 years... knowing that the end will be death of indeterminate cause... that's committment. Cameron devoted what? A year? Then it was over.

On that note, I will never be Cameron's buddy. She still annoys the crap out of me, but it's amusing to watch her try to mold herself into certain positions. She doesn't seem sure of who she is- other than a doctor.

Shallow alert! Chase didn't look that bad in the hat... but I like his hair better.

Oh well.. off to try to renormalize my schedule again after yet another all-nighter. I love my job.... no... really.... :ph43r:

Oh, yes I was actually completely stunned that I would ever support Cameron too. And yes she still bugs me big time. And I do see your point. I'm trying to remember do we have a definitive answer though on did she or didn't she know the cancer was back when she married him, or committed to?

And I agree with your assessment of her too. She really is very unsure of herself. This is the second time that someone has challenged her on some tennet in her life and she's immediately done something somewhat ill-advised in response. First in Hunting she decided to try drugs when Cal told her she didn't know how to have fun/didn't know what she was missing, now she's getting into a "no-strings attached" relationship with Chase after Foreman mentioned that she should do it and told her that her relationship with PDH wasn't the "real thing". Granted we don't know, or at least the unspoiled don't know, how the relationship with Chase will turn out. It may well be that neither of them is capable of that type of relationship and it will actually develop into something more, but IMHO relationships on that basis don't work out well in the end.

I can see second thoughts, but Cameron seems incapable at times of saying, "Well that's your opinion, but I think it's wrong" and moving on.

And I meant to say earlier that while I'm not sure Foreman's assessment was right, I too was glad that for once the PDH relationship wasn't treated as a sacred cow. House made fun of it, or at least made fun of Cameron in regards to it, but we all know that House makes fun of everything, so he didn't really count.

Someone on the dreaded TWOP I think hit on what ultimately bothers many people about Cameron, especially women who are out of their teens: she does remind us of ourselves, the problem is that it was ourselves in junior high (not an especially tranquil or graceful time in anyone's life, nor, regardless of what we may have thought, an especially mature or intelligent time). It seems that many of Cam's supporters on other boards are teens which is a bit worrisome as, no, that is not how a mature woman behaves, especially a physician.

God forbid if I was ever like her. Unsure- of course... compromising myself because of it? No. Funny coincidence is that two of my best friends (who have never met) are trying to encourage me to pursue non-committal relationships. No thanks. I think my problem with Cameron pretty much parallels House's. She bases so much off of emotion and she is so... gooey. Yet at times, she goes the House route and is downright manipulative and... bitchy. Perhaps it is because she puts so much emotion into everything- whether positive or negative. Although I fit the demographic mentioned in twop, I think that I don't like Cameron because she reminds me of people I didn't like in college- or just in general.

I just rewatched... and I must say that I liked it a BUNCH more than the initial watching. I think that sometimes I get bogged down by jargon (spinal nerve... biopsy... regeneration... nerve gardens...) and it takes a 2nd watching to understand them. 2nd watchings are also nice to judge reactions.

Who thinks House was just being evil when he barged in on Cuddy's date? And who thinks he LIKEs her? Thinking now... he did butt in on what he THOUGHT was Wilson's relationship with Wendy. As soon as it was Foreman, it seems he backed away (get... away). :) Maybe he is just that self-centered that he doesn't want his "buddies" in relationships.

As far as how Cameron behaves... more appropriate for an early 20's person I think- or even teenage years. And if she's a doctor, then maybe she's academically great, but socially slow. Just a possibility- but you would think she'd have learned something by now. But the way I think about it is the same way I thought of CSM back in X-files days... what's the fun in a tv show if there's not someone on there you don't like?

Like a lot of you, I don't have a hell of a lot to say about this episode.

I wasn't "meh" on it either though, it was just a more subtle, casually-paced episode rather than the usual high-octane drama we've gotten through most of this season. It actually reminded me of a season 1 episode in that respect, which isn't a bad thing if you ask me.


I will say one thing, I MUCH prefer House/Cuddy to House/Cameron. In fact, I'd be totally okay with it if they 'shipped those two for a while (even though we know it could only end in tragedy, but boy will it be fun to see them go down in flames!)

As for chase's hat, well I'm not a fan of the floppy hair that Chase and so many other men his age on tv are sporting, so I wasn't at all bothered by its being covered up.

This has to be one of my favorite episodes, but like everyone else I don't really have anything to say. I want to ask, what's with drills this week? On 24, which I gave up heroes so my room mate could watch, and still don't see what's so great about the show, a guy got a hole drilled through his head , then on House the POTW got two little holes drilled in her head. Then last night watching Lost there was a commercial for Grey's Anatomy and I noticed a drill on their aswell. My room mate asked if it was dangerous to drill holes in people's head, and I said jokingly, "Well I'm sure if their brain doesn't leak out it's fine," then when I saw the band-aids I almost pointed to the bandages and said "too keep her brain in," but the moment had past.


I liked Chase's hat I'd be more attracted to Jesse Spencer if he'd just wear ski caps, other clothes optional. Whoever made the comment of wanting Sexy!Foreman, I always thought Omar Epps was good looking, and could defentiely pull of a Sexy!Foreman.


The POTW was crazy, I guess if you didn't feel pain you could do almost anything and it not matter. I know that's why I don't do certain things because I don't like pain.


I'm going to re-watch this ep tommorow when it re-airs on US and give my opinion then.

I was so glad that the writer's added something to this show (finally!) about House/Cuddy's relationship/friendship. I've been wating forever!! yay!! :D

Cameron annoys me..do I have to have a reason?! ;) j/k she's so prissy, not confident in what she wants etc.

I'd love to see House and Cuddy hook up, they can forego the hospital admin./co worker thing and just get to it! LOL

I don't know how I'll survive for 3 weeks without House!! although there's always House on Friday nights on USA Network! :D

God and peace
Vanessa :)

I laughed when Cuddy saw House in the window. I think he just likes pushing her buttons. I think he also likes sizing up and butting into his 'buddies' relationships (perhaps to feed off their reactions).

I was reading comments about Cameron, over and over again. and the song What's my Age Again-Blink 182 started playing ha! how appropriate. I don't like Cameron, but I the three characters I always find myself going that's me! I'd do that is Wilson, House, and her. I'm hoping one day I won't be like that but I'm also a freshmen in college, and I'm hoping a mature between now and the time I graduate. In the mean time I'm going to continue to have fun and screw around, because as soon as I'm done I have to go get a job.

I love that there's a tranny nurse. HEE!

I would also love to see House rap. I think that be hilarious especially because you know there's going to be snark involved.

The POTW I still can't say anything about her, I re watched the episode last night, and I liked her a little better then the first time.


I don't blame House trying to harvest the nerves of the girl. I would have done the same thing if I were him.

Hmm Chase/Cameron again... not sure and I hate Cameron in smart arse mode - like the whole 'I'm allowed to sexually harrass my boss' thing in Love Hurts. And is the same Cameron who gave the girl hell in Sleeping Dogs Lie?

More though than Cameron, its Chase that bothers me - Chase is my favourite of the three and I really don't want him to be beholden to her. Plus if we are ever going to be subjected to House/Cam then I do not buy for a moment that House would wear the fact that Cameron had slept with Chase - it doesn't fit. I'm much happier with House and Cuddy and it IS believable and makes sense.