I really liked this episode! I loved the Huddy intereaction! I sure hope after this that Tritter's gone for good!

I thought it was interesting to see Cuddy lying on the stand to save House' butt, I wouldn't expect any less.

all in all a fantastic episode! I don't like waiting three weeks to see a new one though!

God and peace
Vanessa :)

I was wondering when we were going to start. (What, we waited three weeks for it and now we're not going to talk? ;)) I didn't know the title of this one going in; I'm going to need another rewatch or two to figure out the episode/title connections.

Wilson was so cute in this episode! He spent all his scenes with House looking nonplussed and guarded and a little lost--great look for RSL and a huge, huge improvement on the bitterness and hurt and resentment of the past few episodes. Even when he was calling House a coward he didn't seem too heated or severe (Cuddy had that base covered. Anyone else back up in alarm when she flew off the handle at House at the beginning? :blink: ).

I was bracing for the apocalypse during the apology scene--I kept expecting Wilson to get mad or put up some resistance. I love the way it ended up playing out ("Please, keep going."). I also loved that they even lightened that scene a little further, since the two of them can choose to believe that the apology was just part of House's scam if they want, thus letting them be sort of okay with each other again without having to deal with the emotional aftermath of the apology.

House looked so immensely proud of himself in that last scene. I've missed that look. (I think he's missed having someone to tell about all the stuff he's cleverly gotten away with.) :lol: And Wilson laughed! How long has it been since that's happened?

"I hope I'm wrong about you." *throws up hands in defeat* OK. Whatever. I don't even care anymore. Let's just move on.

I actually thought Cuddy was telling the truth on the stand for a second--I was a little surprised that she lied that way. I think it's gratifying that after all Cuddy and Wilson's frantic attempts to use Tritter's presence as a catalyst for change in House, they both closed ranks pretty tightly around him in the end.

Poor Ducklings. They're so cute when they play House. ( ;) :lol: :lol: )

On a random note...I thought Cameron was mad at Wilson. Why would they have been chatting about House's apology? (Or did she find out about it from someone else?) That sounds like an interesting missing scene for someone to write a fic about. Maybe they made up as a result of the apology?

Probably a lot of people are mad that "nothing's changed" after we went through all that drama. Not me. ^^ I'm completely ready just to start from here. I was nervous about the effects of rehab on the character and I burst out laughing in relief when House shot down the drama at the end. I'm really excited about the next one. (Three weeks? FOX is either trying to kill us or they have a death wish themselves.)

Well as for me, I'm glad to see Tritter go at this point. He was a cardboard villian and I think they could have done a lot more with him, but as they didn't seem willing to push it with him, he just needs to disappear. Good riddance.

While it's good to see House back to his old snarky self, I'm not 100% sure he hasn't changed at all. I think this experience will take a good long while to sink in, but I think he may have realized a few things, especially considering the contents of Cuddy's going off on him at the end about how everyone's a worse person for simply being around him.

I am rather annoyed with myself though about not noticing that he'd stopped detoxing, I should have guessed that somebody was slipping him pills or he had his own secret secret stash or something.

I don't think the apology to Wilson was fake. The one to Tritter was, but I think Wilson's was at least partially genuine.

Anywho, I'm looking forward to the rest of the season, I don't think this is all over yet.


OH and dear FOX - you suck! I know there's the american idol 2 hr thingamacrap next monday, but why is the show off two weeks AFTER that? ARGH!!

I think House' apology to Wilson was genuine or maybe it wasn't, maybe we'll never know.

I'm glad that Tritter's gone now, hopefully for good.

I wonder what will happen as a result of all of this stuff.

Ya'll don't ever think that House would ever go into rehab, not for show I mean? Hopefully that's not a dumb question.

God and peace
Vanessa :)

Amen TelegramSam!

I thought the POTW was an interesting one (false memories!? That's so...random! And bizzare! Poor guy), but also felt that it got rather overshadowed by the rest of the finishing drama with House and Tritter.

Loved the scenes with House and Cuddy, and the ones with House and Wilson. The therapy sessions were really interesting, and gave an insight to the way that House thinks about therapy and perhaps his own issues with the Vidocin (sp?). I really enjoyed the last scene with House in jail - made me laugh. I enjoyed that a lot after the courtroom drama with Cuddy.

Oh American Idol. You and your two-hour audition shows. BWAH! Although the scenes for the next ep in three weeks looked good.

One question - was it just me or did the picnic table picture not show up? Or am I confused and that's still coming? Let me know!

Ok, keep talking, people. I need the dirt - I forgot to watch >_<

They kept us waiting so long, I got used to the show not being there, and I completely forgot. I saw 3 minutes, I think, at the very end.

I'll have to put next time on the calendar (3 bloody weeks!?!?!?!?!?) or I'll forget again . . . :(

See this is why David Shore is my personal 'higher being' :D ! We got all that angst, drugs, jail, 'cuffs, o'd's AND the most awesome H/W moment ever and House is still my House, your House and exactly the same lunatic we know and love - to superb for words!!

What a pleasure to have a chance to read this board again. Great comments as always.

Are any of you find House fans also fans of Scrubs? Episode 6x04 was notable because it both mentioned House, involved a parady of House, and to my retrospective shock, the episode featured a patient with broken heart syndrome. I knew it was only a matter of time before Scrubs took a swing (or made an homage, or both) but I'm really quite suprised to see a rip off of the Oh So Dramatic PoTW.

So I wonder: who among us thinks this was done in cooperation, and who thinks Scrubs fought a little too mean, lifting the PoTW from "Words and Deeds" and airing it earlier? Oh, and who thinks it's coincidence?

Interesting, I thought.

I'm not sad to see the back of Tritter, even if I do carry a little torch for David Morse. He came in with so much potential and they chose to flatten him out. I totally agree with TS's description. I'm hoping the writing will step up a little now that the Tritter arc has come and gone. I loved the Vogler arc, especially the episodes Role Model and Babies and Bathwater because I thought the illustration of how courageous it can be to do the right thing was really compelling. In this situation, there was no right thing. Both opponents were being stubborn and ethically suspect. :-p I adore House but I think he truly did have this threat of being punished coming, and so it was hard for me to have his back. And Tritter was such a meglomaniac I couldn't get excited about him either.

Anyway. I miss the old days, but it's still some of the best TV has to offer. :)

Ditto what you said Lilly, I couldn't believe we didn't all just jump in and start talking at once. I thought of it, but couldn't really get my thoughts together at the time.

I must say now that the Tritter arc is finished I'm a bit disappointed. He really did start out as having potential for being a fit nemesis for House, then in the last few episodes, he was ruined. I didn't have a problem with his vindictiveness, stubborness, or tendency to play fast and loose with the rules; like they said, he was sort of House with a badge (and as I said in echoing comments made by someone on another board, if we had been watching Tritter, PPPD rather than House MD for the past few years we would have totally been rooting for Tritter to nab that no good, arrogant, druggie doctor who had the audacity to mess with "our guy").

Initially the spoilers sounded good, and I don't know what happened as they didn't play out. I could have sworn I heard something about Tritter having some sympathy for House's situation, but that went out the proverbial window when Tritter decided not to accept House's offer to go to rehab. and continued in this episode where Tritter pretty much revealed that no matter what House did, he wouldn't be satisfied.

The one about him having previous experience with addiction did turn out to be true at least, but not in a satisfying way. I thought from that comment that perhaps Tritter had nearly destroyed his own career and life via an addiction or he had seen his work partner, a family member, or someone else close to him self-destruct/hurt others, and that experience led him to want to make House change the path he was on before it was too late. I must admit, I'm now curious about who hurt and betrayed Tritter so deeply that he doesn't believe addicts, or I suspect people in general for that matter, can change ( of course I guess that's another parallel with House who doesn't seem to think people legitimately change or behave truly altruistically either). I suppose that's what fanfiction is for. Not that I can't feel for the point of view of course. I've mentioned the struggles one of my cousins has had with alcohol and at this late date with all the times he's tried to get sober and failed and all the trouble he's had, 95% of me believes that the alcohol is going to win, but there's still that 5% that realizes that he only has to do it once, a day at a time, and you can never know what might finally be the tipping point someone needs. I definitely don't doubt his sincerety when he tries to get clean, it's just his strength and determination that give out. Anyway, it must be a horrible way to live to be in Tritter's mindset on it.

I think we all knew that House wouldn't go for the higher power thing. As a side note, I believe there are addiction recovery programs that are geared toward people who don't believe in/want to acknowledge a higher power, but as people are probably the most familiar with the Alcoholics Anonymous model (which has branched into Narcotics Anonymous and Overeater's Anonymous to name a few) which has that step they had to go with it. Of course they couldn't ignore the comic potential of House's reaction to it either.

I do understand Cuddy losing it in her office. She's reached about the same point Wilson had when he saw House on the floor in the last episode. She and Wilson have both tried, perhaps not always using the best methods, to give him an out, to get him to jump off the train to hell before the last stop, so to speak and he's resisted every step of the way. There are no more chances they can give him, and it frustrates them because they don't want to see it end badly either, so they've just decided to dump it all back in his lap. But they haven't let go entirely, they're begging the only way they know to get his attention for him to do something, anything.

I also don't think Cuddy really means or believes what she said about Hosue making everyone he knows worse. She would never have fought so hard for him if she did. As a matter of fact, she and Wilson probably both believe the opposite. The thing is perjury is a pretty big step, it's not just a little white lie, or even a regular lie, it's crossed into a crime. Depending on ones relationship with truth and view of oneself in relation to telling it, even a small lie is a big thing (in my case, I try to tell the truth as I know it, even if it hurts, regardless of whom it hurts, and succeed to varying degrees; honestly I don't know what I'd have done in Cuddy's situation). Then add in what it means to you to have committed an actual crime, one serious enough that you could go to prison. That is very upsetting and not something, I'm sure, that Cuddy ever thought she would do no matter how good the cause. She's angry and she's confused. She takes it out on House.

I would vouch that House's apology to Wilson was the real deal. The first thing that came to mind after the exchange where Wilson ask House if it was just an act and House tells him "you decide" was the comment that someone once made quoting David Shore in saying that House is the type of person who would do something nice, but would absolutely not want anyone to know that he did it. House meant every word of what he said, and I'd wager that despite what he said the decision had nothing to do with "the program", but as expected, when he's confronted with evidence that he might not be the callous, manipulative jerk he portrays himself as, he blows it off because that would mean losing face.

As we suspected, House doesn't appear to have changed. It's good, we like him the way he is for the most part. And it is realistic, as again I've mentioned before, even with the best intentions on the part of the person being treated, it frequently takes more than one attempt for someone to manage to stay sober. On the other hand, I can't help thinking that this whole thing is going to give House some pause, and not just on the subject of being careful whom he humiliates. This is the man whose brain never shuts off even when he tries to make it do so, and we are privy to information that characters on the show don't have access to via No Reason that indicates that House does have some serious doubts about himself despite the facade he puts on to the contrary and I wouldn't say House is exactly a proponent of the unexamined life by any means.

Frankly, Cameron is giving me whiplash. Last week she was defending House to everyone no matter what he did, this week, "he brought it on himself". Huh?!? A girl can change her mind, but a complete U-turn? After that, and a few other wierd turns in her personality over the past few seasons, I'm expecting season 4's big arc to be either Cameron developing a strong reaction to purple crayons and <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="hot%20water" onmouseover="window.status='hot water'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">hot water</a> bottles,and the reasons therefore (it's a movie reference, just trust me), or Cuddy discovers that Cameron is not really a doctor at all, but is actually on the loose from the state psych hospital and killed the real Dr. Allison Cameron, who it turns out was a competent, funny, if slightly naive young physician, and took over her life. It would explain a lot, including the lack of a past besides the PDH (poor dead husband), he inability to deal with bad news, and various inconsistencies in her backstory (it's thyroid cancer, no it's brain cancer).

Ah yes, as an anti-Ham (House/Cam) person I was worried about the hug initially. I was very pleased when the look on House's face in response to it was more "Would you please get her off me!" than "Hmm, this feels nice". But that's just me. Interesting to see that there are all ready a few fics over on FF.net that take a different view. It seems that anyone who knows House should know by now that for the most part he really doesn't want you in his personal space.

I have to say the hiatus is a mixed blessing for me as I have a prior commitment on next Tuesday night. That is, of course, why God gave us VCRs/TIVO/etc., but now I don't have to worry about whether I set the VCR right, or if the tape broke, or if it started recording at the beginning or cut off the end. The other two weeks however, GRRRR!!! (also from my cat, who I believe at times wants to go live at the "House of House" and even swears she wouldn't try to eat or otherwise molest Steve McQueen).

Yup, I saw that episode, and I made a thread on it in the general forum if you care.

I kept waiting for Chase to yell "Box of kittens, stat!!"

My favorite part of that scrubs episode was the "Side effects of kittens may include: allergies, tiny scratches and erectile disfunction."

They also had an Orange Guy.

Scrubs is hee-larious.

Don't hurt me, but I actually liked Tritter in this episode. Whatever House said or did, he wasn't buying it -- "even your actions lie." And he was absolutely right. House's apology to Tritter was BS, in sharp contrast to his genuine apology to Wilson. (I like it that House said the words "I'm sorry" to Tritter, twice I think, but never actually said them to Wilson. Somehow that indirectness made him seem more sincere.) House's action, going into rehab, was also a lie, since he continued to get his Vicodin on the sly.

It was also fun to see Tritter loose his cool briefly when he realized that Cuddy's testimony might unravel his evidence against House. And his final "Good luck. I hope I'm wrong about you." was nicely ambiguous -- could be a classy way of conceding defeat, or, given the theme of lying, could be a way of expressing just the opposite of what he said. Either way, it kind of freaked House out a bit, which may have been Tritter's main goal.

That said, I'm not sorry to see Tritter leave. It seems that each season we have a multi-episode arc featuring an outside character (Vogler, Stacy, Tritter), and each time the arc goes on too long. Yes, maybe it is a good idea to shake things up every once in a while to avoid becoming formulaic, but the writers just seem better at self-contained episodes and longer term background development. Here's an idea for next season: how about a 3 episode arc?