Alright, I'll start this one off. Just going to throw out random thoughts and reactions to this one...

House should have told that girl off long before he did and I found it rather creepy how much he humored her. I knew he wouldn't actually do anything, but uh. And the final diagnosis of her was kind if ridiculous and far-fetched. But with House, it's kind of silly to complain about anything being far-fetched so... All in all, though, I think that sub-plot served no purpose.

Except possibly to make House think that maybe it's not so bad to like Cameron, in comparison.

My god, the House/Cameron-ness is out of control. Seriously. It has to stop. ...Now. Before, Cameron had a silly crush on him - and that actually didn't bother me that much, because that happens (what bothered me was that she felt like she was entitled to expect an actual response from him and expected them to have a relationship) - but now... House is acting like he's got a stupid crush on her. It's not cute - it's irritating! And Cameron is irritating - why would he have a stupid crush on her??

What else.

I liked the actual patient plotline this week well enough, though. And I did like the idea that House was interested in the case of an autistic kid because he sees himself in him (kinda like the supposedly schizophrenic woman in "The Socratic Method" and various other patients) - although, as usual, the Wilson explanation was heavy-handed.

Wilson is winning me back over though, a little bit. He had some great moments, finally. I loved when House and his kids were in Wilson's office and he looked at the door and said "Huh... It says... 'James Wilson.' That's a funny typo to make..." And later when he came in to find them again, and just looked at House and left again. Heh. Good scene with Wilson and House just sitting in his office, talking about the random crap gifts on Wilson's desk. It read like a fanfic! (In fact... I think I actually did read a fanfic about a week ago about the crap on Wilson's desk...)

I was pleased to see House generally acting like more of a complete weirdo than anything - I have always maintained that he is much more of an eccentric dork than a rebellious badass. (Although, some bits tonight were a little too over-the-top. The preacher impersonation got annoying fast. Sorry, House/Hugh. (I was in a play once where I had to make the fucking longest speech ever doing that same voice (I was Reverend Spikes in "Greater Tuna"), and god it was awful.) I did like the part where he inhaled the anesthesia to get the kid to do it, though. Hehe.)

And I liked his fixation on keeping his bloody carpet. Does he really just not want change? Does he want to look at the blood stain as a reminder to not be too much of an asshole or he will get shot? To remember that the world is a scary place? To remember that his hallucination/dream told him that he's a bad person? What I didn't like is that Cameron kept asking him about it.

I know - I just asked a bunch of questions about it too, but see, the difference is - I wouldn't say those things out loud to a person. Just like, if I were Cameron, I would never have gone up to House and said, "Do you like me???" or forced him into a date. I'd have had a crush on him, sure. But seriously, wtf. People don't say those kinds of things. I guess it's the limited narrative ability of television though. Because there's no author to tell us what people are thinking or feeling, we have to have people (namely, Wilson or Cameron) spell everything out for us. But it's annoying and unrealistic and I am never going to like it, even if I do like the idea behind it.

In fact, it's even worse than having someone say out loud someone they would actulaly only think. They're saying out loud something they probably wouldn't think. Cameron and Wilson (and everyone else, at times) analyze House like they're fans of the show, watching him as a character. Like, oh what's your motivation there? Huh, what does it mean that you're doing this? How would you react if I did this or that? It's ridiculous. Sure, House is a fascinating guy, but... The writers need to leave the analyzing to the fans. If they want to make a point about House, they should make it through his actions, not through the words of the characters around him. (I've been saying this for a while, haven't I?)

Let's see... Do I have any other thoughts on this...

I read somewhere that there was supposed to be a more Foreman-centric episode coming... I hope this wasn't it. Because if it was... wtf. That was not Foreman-centric. The aliens episode had quite a bit of Chase and made me like Chase more than usual. The euthanasia episode had a ton of Cameron and made me... not want to beat Cameron. But this, though it started with a camera giving us, apparently, Foreman's POV, had very little of Foreman (and even less of Chase, but still a fair amount of Cameron), and... didn't really make me like any of them.

I liked Wilson, Cuddy and House in this though. But I almost always like them (excepting the fact that I've been very angry with Cuddy and Wilson - especially Wilson - lately).

Speaking of being angry at Wilson... still no mentioning whatsoever of his and House's big fight. Apparently it wasn't a big fight at all. I guess House just forgave Wilson, and decided that the best way to show that was to pretend nothing happened. But did Wilson ever find out that House stole a perscription from him?? Will that never be addressed again?

Sigh.

All in all, I liked this episode alright. If I arrange the episodes so far in order of how much I've liked them, it would go like this: 2, 4, 3, 1. Maybe. Maybe 2, 4, 1, 3. Or possibly... 2, 1, 4, 3? Well, it's safe to say I liked "Cane and Able" best.

I loved this episode, don't know if its because I felt like the austic kid today running on two hours of sleep and no caffeine (I think I may be a Masochist) but when it showed things from the kids point of view that was how everything felt today today. ok So how I was feeling was a huge exageration. It's the first episode I've seen in awhile without my roomates squealling everytime something graphic comes on screen (they were out, thank god)

I loved everything about it except the girl stalking House kinda creepy he's hot and all in an older man kind of way like I think my chemistry teacher in 11th grade is hot (when I was in 11th Grade) but I don't want to get in his pants and fuck him.

The other thing I didn't like is the worms, we've done worms already (ok so it was different types of worms but still) The Jimson Weed me and a friend talked about renting a hotel room for a few days and take turns tripping but then we found out that this guy went blind (whether or not that was true or not we decided we didn't want to risk it).

Lost my train of thought need to go study grrr damn test.

Oh yea it's weird that I tend to relate to the weird people of society more then normal people as House says normal people circle (I should fit in I'm rich and white) but I don't.

Ummm not totally coherent gonna go study have fun don't get lost and don't eat any unidentified berries under swingsets.

I liked this episode. Wilson has won me back with his office troubles :lol:. I loved House wandering around high after breathing in those gases.

I think part of this is House being territorial. It is HIS office full of HIS things with HIS carpet. I think I would raise hell if I came home and found someone had replaced my carpet without my authorization.

I will agree and say there is a fine line between explaining motivations to push the plot along and stopping the plot to berate House’s motivations. But with my ability to read motivations rather shoddy, I like it when they explain these things.

My first thoughts:

It took me two watchings to decide I absolutely loved this episode. There were no false notes. There were flat out funny moments, and I thought they were going to outweigh the moments of great insight from House about himself. I think not even Wilson analyzes House more than House does himself. His bitternss and disappointment at being newly (again) disabled and everything that he's lost again was pretty heartwrenching stuff. Even the throwaway line to Foreman "don't dismiss pain too easily" was a signpost into House's heart. I wonder if House thinks he has Aspergers (even if he doesn't). He has to have considered the possibility. That whole last scene with the kid was reminiscent of the end of DNR and the end of Autopsy. Both times he received gifts. Gifts of great value to the giver. (In autopsy it was the girl's unflinching hug). In each of the three cases, House was deeply touched and greatly affected--accepting the gifts but feeling bad about himself. I loved the return of the longing looks from behind the glass we haven't seen for awhile.

Anyone notice that House picked up the happiness levels discussion from Meaning? Nice bookend. Eighth level first french kiss; 10th level bringing back a child from the brink of death (was he referring to himself or to the parents expected happiness)--the parents barely register a 6.5, he notes. Has he been observing levels of happiness so that he would know how he is supposed to feel?

Maybe that's what resonates with House and the autisitc boy. House believes that he has no ability to understand how he's supposed to feel about things. He has no markers (in his own opinion). It would be better for him if he didn't need to fit those conventions and could simply feel what he did with no further expectations.

Also, the moment about circle queens and not fitting in a circle--with people feeling pity for you if you couldn't be broken, reset and molded to people's expectations of "normal."

That final sequence with House contemplating the carpet as it was put back into his office and Cameron telling him that not all change is bad.

I think that House has had so much change over the last few months of his life, he might have been rebelling against any more.

Regarding TS--I can't decide if that earthquake diagnosis was a ruse or not. I loved the Cassablanca monologue. Perfectly delivered. I think it was a real diagnosis. And that House, suffering another hit, was disappointed that she was not really attracted to him (which would have given his beaten down ego a nice boost, even if he couldn't do anything with it). I thought I saw that in his eyes.

Anyway, after wanting to give it B- on first viewing, it now gets an A-

I agree that I think it is a real diagnosis, but could of been House letting the girl down easy. He doesn't seem like he cares but I think he does, not in the sense of being emotional, but he does have some understanding of what other's around him are feeling, infact he may have too much--maybe this is me wanting to relate to House, but when I was younger I was senstive to what everyone felt I sensed what people were feeling and I was often right, well this caused me pain so I learned to turn my self off and come aloof, so I often act like I don't have a clue but that's because if I pay attention to people I would be an emotional mess. what I'm trying to say is I learned how to turn off my emotions.

but it could have been an actual diagnosis-with House its sometimes hard for me to tell if he's serious or not-but that's partly why I love him.

But I agree also that it would have been a nice Ego Boost but I think he knew he had to reject the girl. So maybe he was lying about the diagnosis but it was the only way to get the girl to leave him alone.

On the possibility of House having Asperger's Syndrome...

I think Wilson was right in concluding that no, he doesn't actually - however... I think he's close. He is socially awkward and doesn't really know how to conform to social norms... On the other hand, it's mostly just that he doesn't want to. He's pretty good at gauging other peoples' reactions, and actually, he has a manipulative streak that shows how much he does understand people and how he could pass as normal if he tried. However, I've always been kind of irritated when characters use the word "manipulative" to describe him as being one of his most prominent qualities. It's not really. He's not really that good at manipulation - not like someone like Wilson. When House does it, it's blatant and more for a show than anything. I would say that a much more prominent characteristic of his is a sort of twisted integrity - an authenticity. He is who he is and thinks and feels what he does, and he's up-front and unapologetic about it.

Anyway, back to the Asperger's thing. He doesn't have it, because he understands how people interact; he just doesn't to do it, because it's not honest (by honest, I mean authentic - he's willing to lie about facts if the end justifies the means, but he's not a dishonest person in that he pretends to be something he's not). However, I do think he could be near the spectrum, if not on it. Think back to the way he reacted to Cameron with the "date" in episode 1. It's not that he's "just a jerk" as Cuddy said. He's weird. He stands in his office with glass walls where everyone can see him and dances; he puts on sunglasses and a trucker hat and makes a scene in a lecture; he moves his whiteboard all around the hospital stealing other peoples' spaces when he doens't want to use his office. It's mostly just that he's extremely eccentric and noncormist - but I think he's always oddly lacking in inhibitions. He knows these things are sort of strange, and he enjoys being strange, but does he really feel that they're strange? He's probably just always done stuff like that naturally. So. We've got socially awkard. He also has that fixating on certain repetitive movemetns and stuff thing... The way he constantly plays with his toys. And he seems to be really perturbed by things changing or being out of the norm. His insistence on keeping the bloody carpet was probably more from a masochistic desire to keep the reminder of his shooting around, but I think it's possible that he's got an Aspergers-esque resistance to change too. (Which would have made being a military brat pretty fricking difficult... Hm.)

On the other hand... House has no problem whatsoever with eye contact, and has an extremely expressive face. And picks up a lot of subtleties in people's reactions and behavior. So. In conclusion. Does not have Asperger's at all.

Two far likelier diagnoses? The thing with the toys could be an argument for ADD as well. If he doesn't have that - he's close. Another disorder he probably doesn't actually have but is definitely very close to having would be Bipolar Disorder. In fact, he probably actually does have that one. Insane highs and insane lows.

Pretty much agree with everything that's been said already. For once I liked the so called "promo monkeys'" take where it appeared House was telling Ali that she'd get it when she was older and it wasn't just part of a quote from Casablanca. I don't think he would have actually done anything, or at least I hope so (and no 22 weeks are not a huge difference, however the 20 some-odd years between 18 and 40's are quite huge, for that matter the four years between 18 and 22 are pretty big IM Not So HO). Oh well, I guess it nice to think someone, somewhere actually finds you attractive and that that particular person is neither completely undesirable or mentally ill (basically I'm not impressed that all the homeless off-their-meds-schizophrenics at the public library/on the bus think I'm the bomb although for some reason they do; and I'm not equating mental illness and undesirability neccessarily BTW).

It may be my take is overly influenced by what I believe to be part of House's pathology but I'm beginning to think the underlying theme for this season is the question of the worth of putting time, love and effort into a relationship that is not obviously rewarding or reciprocal (first paralyzed man, now the autistic kid, with more effort others may tie in too). And I do like that as far as House is considered the one with bad beside manner he was the one who figured out how to calm the kid down-- although he may have done it from a social science perspective rather than a intuitive point (though I can't say that it wasn't intuitive though as someone who seems to intuit things wihtout really knowing why I've learned that sometimes you have to work backward to justify your intuition to the people who are more proof oriented and explain it that way even though it isn't the way the idea originally came to you).

Well, I don't know if this can be called a good representation of autism or not. There are whole spectrum of disorders and this kid was pretty far toward the severe end, but then he had to be because a great deal of the mystery had to do with the kid not being able to just tell people what was the matter, or at least not in a way they could understand-- after all he was apparently drawing the problem, but everyone interpreted it as just another random behavior.

Glad they addressed the does House have Asperger's question. It hasn't been so much of a question on this board but it has come up frequently on TV With Out Pity (TWOP). I was concerned for a while when Wilson came out and said House did have it, but my faith was restored when he went to House and said he knew that he didn't have an autism spectrum disorder. Like most on the TWOP boards while it's plausable I suppose that House could have Asperger's, I'd rather that House didn't have one definable pathology-- just as I was pleased to see last season that his parents were relatively normal and couldn't be blamed completely for scarring him for life and as I'll hope that despite his repeated references to child sex abuse House does not speak from firsthand knowledge on the subject.

Interesting discussion too on the circle. On one hand House is very right, on the other when is it for an individual's own good to make them conform to an extent? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the kid in this episode left to himself would be able to take care of himself at all, granted as severely affected as he seems it's probably not likely that he'll be able to live completely independently no matter what, though I'm not an expert (and yes, less affected individuals do live pretty much completely normal, independent lives). But isn't it to this child's advantage to train him (and to some extent that's what his therapy is doing) to be able to at least develop some skills he wouldn't otherwise (and I know there is somewhat of a far-fetched slippery slope e.g. since the world is designed for the right handed and because of that <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="left%20handed" onmouseover="window.status='left handed'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">left handed</a> people suffer more accidents on average, should we retrain left handed people to be right handed or something like that)?

I do know there is debate on how best to help those with autistic spectrum disorders, especially those who are severely affected, whether a rigid approach that is literally like training is better or if a new, more relaxed approach is better. I am interested in the subject of autism and sort of always have been but my actual expertise is pretty limited other than I once applied to work with an autistic boy in my community as an ABA facillitator (probably doing something somewaht similar to what the boy's father was doing with him though this child was more advanced or possible less affected to being with) and I looked up a little on the disease and that therapy method (I didnt' get the job, but it was very interesting).

I don't know that being autistic is as rosy as House would like to believe. While a lot of autistic individuals seem to be ignoring the rest of the world even by choice it's more that they'd like to interact but just don't get the clues that the rest of us take for granted so it's actually quite frustrating for them (it's as if they're playing a complex game but no one will tell them the rules, or at least all the rules, but they're expected to know what to do anyway). That is one of the reasons that individuals with autism will tantrum. Another from what I understand is the sensory overload: all the hustle and colors and noise can get to be almost literally painful for them. Again not an expert, so please no one take offense and feel free to correct me if I've blown it.

Back to the circle thing though on a more controversial level is the question of Attention Deficit Disorder/Attention Deficit Hyper-activity Disorder (ADD/ADHD). There is some debate, beyond the is it good to give strong narcotics to kids that sometimes devolves into medication is bad alltogether, herbs or wierd diets are better thing, if those two disorders are disorders as much as divergent ways of thinking either left over from the past or evolving as part of the future or both. If they are in fact simply divergent patterns, then is it right for the divergent thinkers to be drugged into thinking in a pattern we have deemed more convenient, or into being able to do work that bores them. There's at least one whole site on this (that ADD/ADHD is not a bug but a feature, so to speak, that maybe it coexists with giftedness or that it is misdiagnosed giftedness, and what to do about living with it as a person affected by it or a parent or teacher of someone affected by it) and even those who see it as a disorder agree that if they could eliminate it society would be more orderly, but would probably have fewer innovative ideas.

Anyway, should we force others to change to make us comfortable? I have to say I don't know being that I'm a bit divergent form the norm, but know how to get along with the norm and "play nice" should I choose (BTW I think House can do so too and knows how to, he just usually chooses not to). It comes down to, as I've discussed before, on one hand being used to the way I am and probably missing it if I woke up different, but wondering if I wouldn't be happier if I had been wired more like the majority of society. Then also I've heard of cases of people, sometimes literally, driving themselves crazy, and experienced it myself to a small degree, trying to act in a way that is not consistent with who they are (I know I could have worded that better, but I can't seem to, sorry).

Well now I'm prepared to go into House withdrawal until the &%$@-ing baseball is over. This time I don't even have a thesis project to distract me (never thought I'd be nostalgic for that, but between boredom and the job market it's starting to look good).

Edited to add the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" site on ADD:Born to Explore

ok in reply to Catlady's post and slightly off topic so mods move if needed i guess...

Modern Society is nothing but rules and I still haven't figured out half of them, my friend tried to convince me that no one told her the rules and she learned on her own but I think they did. Probably some huge meeting with a conspiracy to leave me out so I get the odd looks all the time and looked down on cuz I don't understand why people are label certain ways or why you can't even talk about nudity in public. or how to act around people and what to say(that last ones gotten me in trouble cuz I tend to say what's on my mind with out filtering) but anyone who says Society is not rules then proove it cuz I'd like that more.

I didn't hear the entire Casablanca scene because my mom cracked up and couldn't stop. :rolleyes: The music was a nice touch.

Yeah, the thing with Ali kind of just...trailed off a little at the end. I was expecting either a lot less or a lot more than what actualy happened. But I'm not that sad to be rid of her, to tell you the truth (if she's really gone <_< ). It would be interesting to compare House's reaction to Ali and his reaction to the old lady with siphyllis in Season One (completely blanking out on which episode that was. Fidelity, maybe?). Two rather ridiculous situations with similar causes, but handled with radically different tones, at least until the diagnosis scene with Ali.

I think...Cameron needs to get a life. She's been latched onto House like one of those house arrest (ha) (>_<) anklets ever since the season started. Let's find her a new hobby besides monitoring his every word and then trying to analyze him. House can pull that off; she can't.

I loved the scene where House breathes the gas for Adam (House knew a patient's name :blink: ). And I liked Wilson's lack of reaction when House fell into that table of breakable things on his way out.

Wilson fluctuated a little between me liking him and me getting a little weary of him. (I was actually more irritated with Cuddy than with him this episode. You'd think she'd have worked out by now that lying to House doesn't work.)"You should just...proactively...give him what he wants" was maybe my favorite line in the episode. But I do wish, like a lot of people seem to, that he'd lay off the blatant House character analyses for a while. Part of what makes Wilson a good character is the fact that he out of everyone else on the show is able to make very pointed, astute observations about House to his face--the kind of observations that actually make House stop and think for a minute. It's a striking moment when someone points out something to House that he doesn't see himself, and it's a great way to kind of stop the audience in its tracks for a second too ("yeah...he's right--suspense! What's House's reaction going to be?").

The problem is, if we start doing it in two or three scenes every episode, it loses its force with the audience (and House) and those scenes--those truths that for whatever reason the writers wanted to convey to us about House--aren't as memorable as they used to be. Especially since Wilson's recent speeches aren't totally consistent with each other, even within individual episodes. Also, I thought Wilson's observations worked well as one or two-liners rather than the paragraphs we've been getting lately. I don't think he needs to give House a complete psychological profile of himself. He just needs to be pointedly, succinctly right about one thing every once in a while.

That's what I thought it was going to be. But then that scene with Wilson and Cuddy at the end--

When I was a kid I had these incredibly ugly puffy pink curtains in my room. They must have been put in when I was really young because I don't remember my room without them. One day when I was about eight my mom mentioned to me offhand that she was going to take them down and put in prettier white ones soon. The bottom fell out of my stomach, and I smiled and didn't say anything. I hated those curtains. The thought of them being gone haunted me for about the next month. Finally Mom did take them out, and I very quietly started to panic until she noticed me hyperventilating and trying not to cry that evening. Same thing happened when we sold a china cabinet, when we pulled up the carpet in the living room, whenever we'd repaint...I guess the key is, whenever any change at all happened to one of the places where I felt comfortable and safe.

It sounds silly and trite when I say it like that, and I cannot explain the sensation, or why exactly new paint is so terrifying. But when Wilson said at the end "He doesn't want it--he needs it," I knew exactly what he was talking about. And if he's right about that--and I think maybe he is--then I know from experience that what's going through House's head would have nothing to do with the blood or its implications at all. And I actually think that's more interesting.

Just some stuff to think about. :D We'd better milk this episode for all it's worth, seeing as we're not getting a new one for...how long is the World Series? :(

No it's definitely about all the rules. I say learn them, then break them all as badly as possible! B) I too am a blurter. When Richard Nixon died I announced in the middle of a crowded restaurant "So, "Tricky Dick" finally kicked the bucket, huh?" The second it was out of my mouth I knew that was probably not the best way to make that statement, my lack of respect for Nixon notwithstanding, and I think both my parents, who were with me at the time, were about ready to dive under the table--they certainly gave me an odd look.

There's some stuff I get and some I don't, so I hear you on that. As I've said before if you want to have a fight, just discuss hair (length, location, shave it, don't shave it, shave all, shave some, etc.).

The thing with autism spectrum disorders is that the rules they don't know are even more basic. They have to do with reading people, like what does it mean when someone looks at you and smiles. Most of us would smile back, but for someone with autism they might not get that. Of course, disclosure time here, until a few years ago I had to make a conscious effort to look people in the eye. In some cultures you don't do it, it's rude, but I'm an American and here when you talk to someone you look in their eyes.

Ultimately, acting is what broke me of it because apparently if you look down on stage the audience will look down too, which is not the effect you want, so I learned to force myself to look other actors in the eye on stage and eventually it filtered into my regular life. It's odd I felt as if I looked someone in the eye they would know what I was thinking.

Maybe it's because I, like you, can be very sensitive to what other people are thinking and feeling. I guess I just assume everyone else is equally similar and I don't want to give away more than I have to. And I have had the same reaction: I'm potentially quite good at socializing, but because I'm picking up and sorting all these symbols I find it kind of exhausting and frustrating so I tend to avoid it or completely shut it off.

Actually I would say we're similar in the "wired differently" capacity (and many of the people I know/have heard of who I consider that way are either artistic in some way--you're a filmmaker, I'm a writer-- or really brilliant scientist/inventor types--which is sort of House, incidentally). In some cases I've decided that it's not that people don't want to get us, and it's not that we don't want to get them, but that they just can't because the way we work is not something they're used to and vice versa. It's part of why I frequently reply to your posts and why I like hanging around with other "artistic types". The people in my life try to get where I'm coming from, but having not experienced it themselves, they can't really pull it off all the way (I know I'm still learning that some stuff I do is not something that everyone does as I'd assumed it was and alternately some of the stuff I thought only I did--and was wierd-- is not that uncommon after all).

I can tell you've experience the tension I mentioned between trying to fit the circle and just not being made for it. I went over this all before but the short version is that while I knew I was pretty good writer the one thing I was not going to do was write or teach writing for a living, it is now exactly what I'm hoping to do one day (and the relief when I gave into that idea was initially immense, there are days that I complain, but I think I know I am an infinitely happier and more relaxed person having made that decision). One of my favorite professors apparently had a similar experience. His father was a physician and intially his father really wanted him to do that. He decided he didn't want to do that, but ended up going to law school. At the same time he was a great writer and really wanted to do that too, but he was determined to be something more conventional. I sort of knew that, but I read an article about him where he talks about the experience and he mentions that he essentially drove himself crazy/to exhaustion trying to go to law school--which is immensely labor intensive-- while also trying read all of the great books in the English language and write too.

Okay to bring this around to House somewhat. I have to agree with all the diagnonses for House that Narsil gave. I relate heavily to House, so this is going to relate to me somewhat as well as to him. I mentioned the research I did and still do sometimes for my own edification on autism and autistic spectrum disorder and, maybe this is common, in the course of doing that I thought "My heavens could I be autistic and no one noticed?!?" I'd say I definitely some Asperger's traits, definitely not enough to be diagnosed, but probably more than the average bear, if you get my drift. I have alternately diagnosed as possibly ADD/ADHD--I"m not sure if I believe it (the first time the medication didn't really make a difference, the second time I was put on medication it seemed to have helped, but it was also about the age where some kids seem to grow out of it naturally, and I started understanding more around that age about how to adapt the way I tend to work/think to what I was expected to do). I am, like House, pretty kinetic-- horrible at sports as I've mentioned, but very fidgetty/have to do something with my hands, pace when thinking, have lots of toys around, etc.)

So, um, yeah, oversharing I know :unsure:

Oh yes, I'm not terrible fond of change, especially if it wasn't my idea. I don't know if I'd go so far as to keep a bloodstained rug, especially when the blood is mine, but I hate throwing anything away and I have a whole load of things that appear to be junk, but have meaning for me (a marble, dried out flower petals, several horse chestnuts from different sources-- I have nothing to do with them, I just like to pick them up and keep them-- a decorative piece of metal off of one of my shoes that I thought was pretty, and I always save fortune cookie fortunes etc.). On one hand I'm not especially spontaneous, on the other I'm not a big planner either. So it's possible House and I have both or none of those diagnoses but they are appropriate.

ehh... cool... so I just watched my first "real time" episode in 2 weeks. Yay! Perfectly enjoyable. I have to say that I really liked this episode... as if I don't like every episode. I found this one pretty amusing though.

High points for me: Stoned House
Clinic (yay!)
The scene with Cuddy and House about to get on his bike- the comment about Cuddy being up next (since chicky was gone) and Cuddy's response: "Come on, I'm ovulating" (or something to that effect...) Cuddy rocks.. have I said that enough? Oh.. .I've probably never said it. Okay- here it is again: Cuddy ROCKS! Little 17 year chicky was annoying, but at the same time, I enjoyed Cuddy and House's reaction to it. Obviously, House wasn't going to do anything. But he seemed to get a kick out of it at least. Did anyone else have a curious premonition that the chick would be sick?

And What IS up with Cameron? Is House mocking her? Coming onto her? And is it just me or is she being super annoyo over analysis girl this year? Was she always like this? (pulling out DVD's now...) Has she actually talked about a case yet? Or is she purely focused on House?

As far as Asperger's goes... I guess the main thing is that in order to have Asperger's you have to have significant impairments One might could make an argument that House is socially impaired- but we actually don't know how much is due to him being so miserable about the leg and how much is due to his... state of mind. We know he had friends when he was 20... although at least one friend was someone he obviously needed ("he had a car..."). And he's had at least one sustainable relationship... And House has an uncanny ability to see through people- something that I seriously doubt anyone with Asperger's could do since they more than likely have problems reading others. House's problem is responding to emotional context.

That scene at the fountain almost confused me. I thought we were going to have a soap opera watchining scene. and then we did... or Casablanca.. whatever it was. Dammit! (Cuddy was right).

House as preacher... Cameron hit the nail on the head. I would've slapped the hell out of him.

And then there's the carpet. He's had a strange relationship with that carpet since day 1 in Meaning. He looks at it in this episode and in Meaning with some sort of contempt. But yet he latches onto it, says he likes it. Maybe he considers it a battle wound of some type. It reminds him of a life changing event.. but yet he may also (in some way) be proud of it. (I almost DIED right THERE!) I don't think its a change issue- I don't think House is a routine kind of person. I think it is more likely to be territorial and in the terms of doing something against his will. And this is something with which he has a demonstrated issue. (think the No Reason hallucination).

Anyway... now that I've spent 30 minutes overanalyzing a tv show. I'm going to spend the next few hours overanalyzing what hasn't happened on a tv show. The fic WILL be finished! :unsure: (Eventually...) :unsure:

One thing before I attempt to get some sleep.I knew I shouldn't have blown off the movies that night (they were showing Casablanca) I wanted to see it but went out with friends. I have netflicks! netflicks is the greatest invention if you don't have netflicks then you should get it.

See the whole might have something is common for me I'm convinced I'm a hypochondriac, now even if I'm not I still am cuz i think I have something that I don't. but I think its true cuz one time in 7th grade I was convince I had leukemia cuz I could feel mini tumors pulsing through my blood, and this was after talking about cancer in health. And another time thought I might be pregnant cuz I had a vivid sex dream (still a virgin). I don't go to the doctor cuz I figure if I'm actually sick someone will tell me I look like shit except I always look like shit cuz I either sleep all the time or none at all, except occasionally i don't sleep for 12 hours up for 4 then back to bed or up ridiculassly long time sleep for 2 and stay up another 20+ and being convinced I'm going crazy cuz I can't sleep and my own thoughts worry me, not in the since of oo I can't believe I thought that but more of that's not my thoughts I don't think in that accent! or like now I was thinking in gibberish I don't speak gibberish and now my mind wants to speak french except I don't know french. I could learn it except I suck at languages I could attempt to learn french their's sites I'll go learn french.I should sleep but somehow for my sanity french seems a good thing to learn at the moment. hell if I learn french then maybe I'll sleep cuz now I have to learn french cuz I defenitely won't sleep

back to House ummmm ummmm he's hot?! ok sorry I'll edit this someother time and say something worth while.

hmm now I dont want to learn french but I want to do something...

Oo I overanalyzed a yahoo! comercial but I had to write a paper for eng comp so I wrote a page and half on how the ressurected dog from the grave was unwanted results and him being dirty (he came from the ground) was that he could have represented porn, the little girl being pop-ups the fertilizer being what ever's being searched for and the garden growing/not growing the result. Probably will think I'm a little odd after reading it. not that he doesn't already.

ok I need to say something productive umm I think its funny House's faux crush on Cameron. (not productive but it's better then umm umm House Hot!)

Prpl, may I say you have an obvious future in literary criticism--no I'm not really kidding. Come over to the dark side (English), most of us have written papers on less. And I only wish I were joking.

Quick comment, more later...


"I'm eating the red berries"

:lol: :lol: OMG too, too funny. And is it scary that I knew what he meant when he first said that?

Loved the scene in the stairwell withWilson and Cuddy.

"He'll never see it coming" :lol:

And the scene in the garage with House and Cuddy.

"I'm ovulating, let's go" :lol:

All round a great episode. It had everything I love about this show, huge snark, great mystery, House being a little boy, Cuddy/House headbutting, moronic clinic patients, introspecive House, and as sasmom said, the gift, few and far between but always meaningful for the giver, and I think, for House too. Let's hope this is a sign of things to come after the break.

And I for one can't wait to get into the next guest arc (Is it David Morse?) Damn baseball! <_<

House/Wilson stuff, I need a rewatch. And Narsil, as far as House forgiving Wilson that easily, I don't know. I think he's just waiting for the right moment to extract his revenge. Wilson knows him far better than Chase and, let's face it, Chase's buttons are easy to push. Wilson is a tougher nut to crack. House may know what buttons to push and where they are but hasn't quite decided what would be just punishment. Take it from someone who has done this more than a few times, there is more fun in watching someone walk around on edge, constantly waiting for the ax to fall than there is in the actual act of revenge. I can see House just letting Wilson stew for awhile, wondering when he'll strike and what it will be.

Either that or he has changed a little. Maybe doesn't feel he has a right to dish out punishment. Maybe he realizes that as crappy as that was, Wilson was only trying to help him do what he had wanted and that is change. They were in the same book, just different chapters.

Also, maybe, as someone else mentioned, he feels his theft of the persciption offset that and they're even.

Oh God I'm going to get long here so I'll leave it at that.

Like Narsil, on House and Asbergers:

House is eccentric. He's a bit of a misfit. But he understands people. Sometimes he understands them too well.
I also agree with Catlady that it'd be hard to nail him down with one pathology. Like Wilson said in House vs God, he's 'as God made him'.

Man, I love this show.
No-one else has mentioned this, so I just had to add: I definitely think there was more to the carpet thing than the good old-fashioned I'm-miserable-you're-miserable, House vs Cuddy showdown. The new stuff smelled funny, for starters.

Cheers.
AE.

Well what I want to do is write scripts.I would love to write movies and tv shows my dream is too be a writer for "House" doubt that will happen. But my concentration is going to be screenwriting.

I had way too much to say about this episode. I've posted my comments in my LJ (I know, it's record time, but thanks to Corgigirl's suggestion, I did it first in Word and then pasted!). It's quite long, but not a scene-by-scene breakdown as I usually do (I'm trying to get away from that format--too tedious, and there are better recaps elsewhere on the net)

House Reivews LJ

Great thoughts, Sasmom.


I've been thinking some more about the carpet... And I think it could sort of relate to House's rant about circles... He perceives that he's different, and that other people are constantly trying to change him or fix him or push him into the circle, and cover up the things that are wrong with him... And he wants those things just out in the open. The things that make him different or bad or whatever. That carpet is him, and it's got a blood stain on it now. House doesn't want it covered up and made to look as good as new, like any other carpet. House got shot - for being a jerk, for being different - and had went through a lot of tough stuff after being shot - the pain returning, his friends trying to manipulate him - and it's all part of his experiences and who he is, so he wants to keep it that way and not just pretend it never happened. The carpet is flawed and imperfect, but that's the way it is and he sees no reason to just get rid of it or cover it up. Just like House is who he is and sees no reason to apologize for it.

Nice tie up Narsil. There is a connection between his flawed carpet and his flawed self--both damaged. He feels a connection to it. I hadn't picked up on that.

that makes sense. I don't think I'd make that connection. I like it and works for me.

Interesting... I seem to be in the minority on this one, as I felt lukewarm at best after one viewing... mayhap another go-round will help... :)

I found the House vs Cuddy fight about the carpet to be a rather forced way of relating House to Adam... and I didn't understand Cuddy's and Wilson's attitudes towards it -- it seemed to be a total 180 spin for each of them from the tell him/don't tell him / humor him/don't humor him on the Pool Guy issue... it just left me totally confused. And Foreman as a neurologist should have known better than to push for tests on HIS schedule instead of on Adam's, esp with that severe a case of autism -- that also felt forced to me.

The absolutely wonderful parts -- House and Wilson on the gifts Wilson's received, and then the "thank you"s from the parents and the gift from Adam himself... LOVED IT! And everyone's reactions to House's mobile conference room... House's symptoms after the self-anesthesia for the kid's benefit... And Cuddy traded "I'm not pregnant" for "OK, help me GET pregnant"... :D

I'm not bothered by the lack of retaliation or followup on Wilson's "betrayal" of House earlier... whenever they have a scene together, I think I still feel unresolved tension there, even though they seem to be relating to each other normally... House hasn't forgotten, and I'm not sure he's even forgiven yet....

*sigh* Blasted baseball... Thank heavens for DVRs and DVDs!

Wow loads of reading – great thoughts everyone and much to chew over. :D

Total gold, ma that awesome! Before I say anything about anyone else (because everyone stepped right up to the plate in this one) how good was the boy playing Adam? Fabulous and I hope he gets a lot of recognition because I thought that was the most incredible performance by a child guest actor (arguably guest actor of any age) to date and he is in some impressive company. :)

House in the pulpit was probably by favourite moment (probably up there in comedy in terms with any other scene). ‘Go up his rear and get a smear’ was poetry in.. so wrong but awesome :D . Loved the Zen sandpit and Wilson trying to give Cuddy ‘House has Asperger’s’ – superb. Also liked Foreman a lot in this one – the kid giving him a rough ride and him losing his cool – I like that side of Foreman. The Stalker girl was cool too – sure it was inappropriate but they handled it well although House is taking his kickbacks well these days. Ketamine, Cameron knocking him back because he was healthy and then it turning out the hot girl was only after him because she’d picked up a virus – that’s rough.

Wilson's line to Cuddy about making out was so great too- love that he played it with just enough deadpan that you knew he would too :)

Cameron seemed a little off tonight – unduly harsh on Chase about his Dad and then the ‘everyone wants a normal kid’ line. Maybe autism isn’t saintly or terminal enough for her (I’m a swine, Iknow <_< )

The final scene was knock out and RSL’s delivery was perfect – great job all round. House has changed post NR but I think he is just a slight bit more open to possibilities.

Good thoughts, folks. Here's mine:

Casablanca: That was soooo funny. House had to LOVE the fact that she was from too young a generation to be familiar w/ that film. She soaked in every word. Normally I abhor plagiarism, but in this case, I'll let him get away with it :)

"Damn! Damn! Damn!" when he diagnosted calendar-girl's spores: I took this also as him being pissed at himself for getting caught up in the personal stuff and missing a diagnosis, since his philosophy is that personal connections just get in the way. "Would you rather have a doctor who holds your hand while you die, or ignores you while you get better?"

Aspbergers: I have a cousin who has this, and I don't think House has it. He shares certain aspects of it, certainly, but he behaves the way he behaves for a reason. My cousin isn't nearly as good as reading people/convesations/situations as House is. I think Wilson was trying to get back on House's good side by getting his carpet back as a peace offering.

Wilson asking Cuddy if she wanted to make out in the stairwell: hehehehe

Cameron: Shut up about the carpet, already. I find it hard to believe House may be getting attracted to her again, b/c her nagging was especially bad in this ep. And here I really thought she'd made some progress last ep. Please take the time off during the World Series to calm down.

House inhalin': Very funny. Liked the part in the lab where he slurred, "You have pretty hair," before he got back down to business.

and that's all for now.

song that fits this episode "Who Cares?"-Gnarls Barkely

Basically I'm complicated.
Adam he's simply an autistic kid-but because of his Autism no one knows what's going on

House-well it's just house

I have a hard time taking, the easy way.
I wouldn't call it schizophrenic.
But I will be at least 2 people, today.

This doesn't fit House because he doesnt pretend to be someone he isn't. But it fits everyone else


If thats ok?

And I can go on and on and on... but who cares?
This fits for almost any clinic patient in any episode
It's deep how you can be so shallow.
And I'm afraid cuz I have no fear.
And I didn't believe in magic.
Untill I watched you disappear.
When House does the self-anatesia(sp?) for the boy
I wish you were here.
Probably describes what the parents feel about Adam
And I can go on and on and on... but who cares?
nothing's going to really change Adam (except House, I think House would have been a great therapist not for most people but the ones that their is something severly wrong with. Maybe he would tell people what they need to hear not the I'm gonna either gonna be completely on your side or totally against you (why I don't go)
[/i]You see, everybody is somebody.
sad but true
[i]But nobody wants to be themselves.
If I ever wanted to understand me.
I'd have to talk to someone else.
This is true
Cuz every little bit helps.

And I can go on and on and on... but who cares?

Feels like... the surreal life.
But it's still nice.
Wish I could live twice,
but I still might,
if these wounds heal right.
I see a little light,
even though it's still night.


It feels like... the surreal life.
But its still nice.
Wish I could live twice,
but I still might,
if these wounds heal right.
I see a little light,
even though it's still night.

The above verse would have been more aptly for the season premiere but since the Ketamine treatment wore off it doesn't work so well anymore.

Maybe when Adam recognizes House.If you notice at the end Adam sees House more Clearly then everyone else. So not sure what Adam feels but him being able to finally connect with someone even though it's one person.

And I can go on and on and on... but who cares?

And I can go on and on and on... but who cares?

done picking apart the song not sure if I prooved a point or had a point to proove.

I now have a lighter thought and have been having since I hear spoilers that House would be having "office issues" for the lack of a better word. Given that House has no issues about the bathroom as it relates to privacy apparently and has used it to carry on conversations before he should have just hauled the whiteboard in there and carried on. Although I guess we've all had enough of House multi-tasking while using the facilities.

Incidentally moe funny, someone commented on this tendency of House's on TWOP and for some reason what was supposed to post as "House's Penchant for Mensroom Discussion" posted as "House's Penchant for Men"; there was much suprise, delight, and hilarity all around.

I'm kinda new here but had been reading you guys for a while... and man, i love this board!

I have a couple of thoughts here, but let quote House himself about this Wilson's-deep-concern-about-House-attitude: "People like talking about people. Makes us feel superior. Makes us feel in control. And sometimes, for some people, knowing some things makes them care". Maybe Wilson thinks the best way of dealing with House is to making him change? I mean, who is the first person who ever said anything about the "miserable life" House is having? Maybe the trigger to all of this situation is House's actions on Wilson's life?

I just hate Wilson so much now... "miserable" is a constant theme through this series: Wilson's constant marriages, constant affairs: Cuddy's struggle being a single mom at her, I don't know, 35 years?; Foreman's criminal background and family issues; Chase's obvious problems with his father and Cameron's Cameronesque way of life. I mean, every single character has a very dark and twisted side that keeps deep down... but I really hate Wilson, seriously, specially at the end of the episode when he arrives with this book saying "i wish you had Asperger's", like needing an explanation on House way of life. Maybe he's just jealous or what? He can't accept others getting away with it?

I'd like to write a little on Lisa "Party Pants" Cuddy. The Attica scene. When House walks in she's having a relaxed conversation with someone at the phone, as always. But it bugs me that she possibly could be talking to Wilson. Since "Forever" they are having way too much screen time together... House's personality is a great topic but I refuse to believe they keep talking about him every single time. Maybe it was Wilson at the other side of the phone? Maybe Wilson's "make out" commentary was really not free at all? Wilson, hated or not, is a ladies man... and Cuddy is a lady...


Well, i just wanted to say that... Hope you excuse my bad english

I LOVED this episode..reminded me of the House I know and love! His snarkiness is back.

The scene where he yelled to cuddy "you can't stop our love!" was hystyerical..as was when he was breathing in the anestetic (trust me that crap doesn'r smell good, I know).

I like how he was so determined to get his old carpet back..maybe he wanted to be constantly reminded of his near death experience and how that may or may have not changed him.

I liked Wilson's line to cuddy about making oit in the stairwell.

over all, a great episode a 10 out of 10!

God and peace
Vanessa :)