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| Csolti |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 03:54 AM
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Caporal ![]() Group: Friend Posts: 32 Member No.: 51 Joined: 1-March 05 |
Sir Winston Churchill
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Diana, Princess of Wales Charles Darwin William Shakespeare Sir Isaac Newton Queen Elizabeth I John Lennon Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson Oliver Cromwell Ernest Shackleton Captain James Cook Robert Baden-Powell, Baron Baden-Powell King Alfred the Great Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington Margaret Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher Michael Crawford Queen Victoria Sir Paul McCartney Sir Alexander Fleming Alan Turing Michael Faraday Owain Glyndwr Queen Elizabeth II Professor Stephen Hawking William Tyndale Emmeline Pankhurst William Wilberforce David Bowie Guy Fawkes Leonard Cheshire, Baron Cheshire of Woodall Eric Morecambe David Beckham Thomas Paine Boudicca Sir Steve Redgrave Sir Thomas More William Blake John Harrison King Henry VIII Charles Dickens Sir Frank Whittle John Peel John Logie Baird Aneurin Bevan Boy George Sir Douglas Bader Sir William Wallace Sir Francis Drake John Wesley King Arthur Florence Nightingale T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) Sir Robert Falcon Scott Enoch Powell Sir Cliff Richard Sir Alexander Graham Bell Freddie Mercury Dame Julie Andrews Sir Edward Elgar Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother George Harrison Sir David Attenborough James Connolly George Stephenson Sir Charlie Chaplin Tony Blair William Caxton Bobby Moore Jane Austen William Booth King Henry V Aleister Crowley King Robert the Bruce Bob Geldof The Unknown Warrior Robbie Williams Edward Jenner David Lloyd George, 1st Earl Lloyd George Charles Babbage Geoffrey Chaucer King Richard III J.K. Rowling James Watt Sir Richard Branson Bono John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein Donald Campbell King Henry II James Clerk Maxwell J.R.R. Tolkien Sir Walter Raleigh King Edward I Sir Barnes Wallis Richard Burton Tony Benn David Livingstone Sir Tim Berners-Lee Marie Stopes This list annoys me for one reason really. Diana's spot on the list... Above Darwin, Shakespeare, Newton, Cook, Nelson, Wellington... She didn't do that much to be ranked above these people... Alex has told me its cause she died and the media and all that... regardless, it pisses me off. And Freddie is only #58!!! What is that! |
| Csolti |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 04:04 AM
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T. E. Lawrence
Thomas Edward Lawrence (August 16, 1888 – May 19, 1935), also known as Lawrence of Arabia, and (apparently, among his Arab allies) Aurens or El Aurens, became famous for his role as a British liaison officer during the Arab Revolt of 1916–1918. His fame as a soldier was largely promoted by U.S. traveller and journalist Lowell Thomas's reportage of the Revolt, as well as by Lawrence's autobiographical account, Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Many Arabs consider him a folk hero for promoting their cause for freedom from both Ottoman and European rule; likewise, many Britons count him among their country's greatest war heroes. Early years Lawrence was born in Tremadoc, Caernarfonshire, North Wales, of mixed English and Irish ancestry, and was educated at Jesus College, Oxford. His father Thomas Chapman, from minor nobility, had escaped a tyrannical wife to live with the maid with whom he had five sons very close to each other. Lawrence graduated with First Class Honours largely as a consequence of the submission of a highly-acclaimed thesis entitled The influence of the Crusades on European Military Architecture – to the end of the 12th century. On leaving university he commenced a postgraduate degree in mediaeval pottery, which he soon abandoned after he was offered the opportunity to become a practicing archaeologist in the Middle East. In December 1910 he sailed for Beirut, and on arrival went to Jbail (Byblos) where he studied Arabic. He then went to work on the excavations at Carchemish near to Jerablus in the northern part of Syria, where he worked under D.G. Hogarth and R. Campbell-Thompson. In the late summer of 1911 he returned to England for a brief sojourn and, by November, he was back en route to Beirut. Prior to returning to work at Carchemish he worked briefly with William Flinders Petrie at Kafr Ammar in Egypt. At Carchemish he was to work with Leonard Woolley. He continued making trips to the Middle East as a field archaeologist until the outbreak of World War I. His extensive travels through Arabia, his excursions, often on foot, living with the Arabs, wearing their clothes, learning their culture, language and local dialects, were to prove invaluable during the conflict. In January 1914 Woolley and Lawrence were co-opted by the British military as an archaeological smokescreen for a British military survey of the Sinai peninsula. At this time Lawrence visited Aqaba and Petra. From March to May, Lawrence worked again at Carchemish. Following the outbreak of hostilities in August 1914, on advice from S.F. Newcombe, Lawrence did not enlist immediately, but held back until October. The Arab Revolt Once enlisted he was posted to Cairo where he worked for British Military Intelligence. Lawrence's intimate knowledge of the Arab people made him the ideal liaison between British and Arab forces and in October 1916 he was sent into the desert to report on the Arab nationalist movements. During the war, he fought with Arab irregular troops under the command of Emir Feisal, a son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca, in extended guerrilla operations against the Ottoman Empire. Lawrence's major contribution to World War I was convincing Arab leaders to coordinate their revolt to aid British interests. He persuaded the Arabs not to drive the Ottomans out of Medina, thus forcing the Turks to tie up troops in the city garrison. The Arabs were then able to direct most of their attention to the Hejaz railway that supplied the garrison. This tied up more Ottoman troops, who were forced to protect the railroad and repair the constant damage. In 1917 Lawrence arranged a joint action with the Arab irregulars and forces under Auda Abu Tayi (until then in the employ of the Ottomans) against the strategically-located port city of Aqaba. On July 6, after a daring overland attack, Aqaba fell to Arab forces. In November he was recognised at Dara while reconnoitering the area in Arab dress and was apparently homosexually brutalised by the Turkish garrison before he was able to escape (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2003). Some 12 months later, Lawrence was involved in the capture of Damascus in the final weeks of the war. As he did before the war, during the time he spent with the Arab irregulars, Lawrence adopted many local customs and traditions as his own, and soon became a close friend of Prince Feisal. He especially became known for wearing white Arabian garb (given to him by Prince Feisal, originally wedding robes given to Feisal as a hint) and riding on a horse in the desert. During the closing years of the war he sought to convince his superiors in the British government that Arab independence was in their interests, to mixed success. Postwar Years Immediately after the war Lawrence worked for the British Foreign Office, attending the Versailles Paris Peace Conference, 1919 between January and May as a member of Feisal's delegation. Through most of 1921 he served as an advisor to Winston Churchill at the Colonial Office. Starting in 1922 he attempted to achieve anonymity, joining the Royal Air Force under the name "Ross". His cover blown, he was forced out of the RAF, changed his name to "Shaw" and in 1923 joined the Royal Tank Corps. He was unhappy there and repeatedly petitioned to rejoin the RAF, which petitions finally bore fruit in August of 1925. A fresh burst of publicity resulted in his assignment to a remote base in what is now Pakistan in mid-1927, where he remained until the beginning of 1929. He continued serving in the RAF, specializing in high-speed boats and professing happiness, leaving with considerable regret in early 1935. A few months later he died at the age of 46 in a motorcycle accident in Dorset. A very cool guy. I am glad he showed up on the list. I plan to read some of his books after I finish Les Misérables. |
| Miborovsky |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 04:32 AM
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Who is Isambard Kingdom Brunel??? Of ALL these 100 Brits, I know 99 of them, ie everyone else, but WHO THE F IS ISAMBARD KINGDOM BRUNEL??????? I can't believe I know all these dudes but don't know who the 2nd greatest brit is...
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| Csolti |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 04:35 AM
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Isambard Kingdom Brunel (April 9, 1806–September 15, 1859) was a British engineer, noted for the creation of the Great Western Railway and a series of famous steamships.
The Thames Tunnel The son of noted engineer Sir Marc Isambard Brunel, Isambard K. Brunel was born in Portsmouth, England on April 9, 1806. His father was working there on the block-making machinery of the Portsmouth Block Mills. The young Brunel was sent to France to be educated at the College of Caen in Normandy and the Lycée Henri-Quatre in Paris. He rose to prominence when, aged 20, he was appointed as the resident engineer of the Thames Tunnel, his father's greatest achievement. The first major river tunnel ever built, Isambard spent nearly two years trying to drive the horizontal shaft from one side to the other. Two severe incidents of flooding injured the younger Brunel and ended work on the tunnel for several years, though it was eventually completed. The Great Western Railway In the mean time, Brunel moved on. In 1833 he was appointed engineer of the Great Western Railway, one of the wonders of Victorian Britain. Running from London to Bristol (and a few years later, to Exeter), the Great Western contained a series of impressive achievements — viaducts, stations, and tunnels — that ignited the imagination of the technically minded Britons of the age. Brunel soon became one of the most famous men in Britain on the back of this interest. Brunel made the controversial choice of using broad gauge of 7 ft 0.25 in (2140 mm) for the line. According to many railway historians, this was an advantageous choice, not least because it permitted carriages with a width of 10 ft 6 in (3.2 m), significantly wider than those of the railway's competitors; but nonetheless it eventually had to be changed to bring it in line with standard British railway gauge of 4 ft 8.5 in (1435 mm), the last broad gauge rails being converted to standard gauge in 1892. Brunel's "atmospheric caper" Another of Brunel's interesting though ultimately unsuccessful technical innovations was the atmospheric railway, the extension of the GWR southward from Exeter towards Plymouth (technically the South Devon Railway (SDR), though supported by the GWR). Instead of using locomotives, the trains were moved by Cleggs and Samudas Patent system of atmospheric (vacuum) traction, the evacuation being done by stationary engines at a series of pumping stations. The section from Exeter to Newton (now Newton Abbot) was completed on this principle, and trains ran at approximately 20 miles per hour (32 km/h). 15 inch (381 mm) pipes were used on the level portions, and 22 inch (559 mm) pipes were intended for the steeper gradients. Unfortunately the technology required the use of leather flaps to seal the air pipes, the leather had to be kept supple by the use of tallow, and tallow is attractive to rats; the result was inevitable, and air-powered vacuum service lasted less than a year, from 1847 (experimental services began in September; operationally from February 1848) to September 10, 1848. The accounts of the SDR for 1848 suggest that the atmospheric traction cost 3s 1d per mile (£0.10/km), compared to 1s 4d (£0.04/km) for conventional steam power. The pumping station at Starcross, on the estuary of the River Exe, remains as a striking landmark, and a reminder of the atmospheric railway — which is also commemorated in the name of the village pub. A section of the pipe, without the leather covers, is preserved in Didcot Railway Centre. Transatlantic shipping Even before the Great Western Railway was opened, Brunel was moving on to his next project — transatlantic shipping. He used his prestige to convince his railway company employers to build the Great Western, at the time by far the largest steamship in the world. It first sailed in 1837. The Great Britain followed in 1843, and was the first iron-hulled, propeller-driven ship to cross the Atlantic Ocean. Building on these successes, Brunel turned to a third ship in 1852, even larger than both of its predecessors. The Great Eastern was cutting edge technology for its time — it was the largest ship ever built until the RMS Lusitania launched in 1906 — and it soon ran over budget and over schedule in the face of a series of difficult technical problems. The ship is widely perceived as a white elephant. Though a failure at its original purpose of passenger travel, it eventually found a role as an oceanic telegraph cable-layer. Bridges Besides the railway and steam ships, he was also involved in the construction of several lengthy bridges, including the Royal Albert Bridge near Plymouth, and an unusual telescopic bridge in Bridgwater. He also designed the Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol, but did not live to see it constructed. His colleagues and admirers in the Institution of Civil Engineers felt the bridge would be a fitting memorial, and started to raise new funds and to amend the design. Work started in 1862, and was complete by 1864, five years after Brunel's death. Illnesses and death of Brunel In 1843, while performing a conjuring trick for the amusement of his children, he accidentally swallowed a half-sovereign coin which became lodged in his windpipe. A special pair of forceps failed to remove it, as did a machine to shake it loose devised by Brunel himself. Eventually, at the suggestion of Sir Marc, Isambard was strapped to a board, turned upside-down, and the coin was jerked free. Brunel suffered a stroke in 1859, just before the Great Eastern made its first voyage to New York. He died ten days later and is buried, like his father, at Kensal Green Cemetery in London. His son, Henri Marc Brunel, also enjoyed some success as a civil engineer. |
| Miborovsky |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 04:37 AM
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I still don't see why he gets 2nd place. Isaac Newton or someone should get that spot.
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| Csolti |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 04:41 AM
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Newton should at least be above Diana.
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| D-503 |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 09:43 AM
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I think it's sad that Tony Blair and J.K. Rowling are ranked above Tolkien. Rowling's books are getting really old at the moment and Blair isn't winning and medals.
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| the Black Prince |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 10:55 AM
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where was Dame Ellen MacArthur?
why on earth are people like Richard III on the list when people like Edward III and his son, Edward, the Black Prince aren't... the real tBP's fame is of equal importance to that of Nelson and Wellington i'm also fairly surprised Sir Robert Peel made it onto the list... i mean, were the new police something to be proud of? -------------------- one crandar to mod them all,
one crandar to close them one crandar to ban them all and in the darkness burn them Seek the community that was broken, in Anagenesse it dwells. There shall be councils taken, stronger than Spartan's spells. |
| Csolti |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 02:30 PM
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Blair is on the top of the list of 100 Worst Britons. * means they are also on the 100 Greatest Tony Blair (*) Jordan Margaret Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher (*) Jade Goody Martin Bashir Gareth Gates Alex Ferguson H from Steps Geri Halliwell The Queen (*) Liam Gallagher Chris Evans Victoria Beckham Rik Waller Anthea Turner Bernard Manning Robbie Williams (*) Peter Stringfellow Neil and Christine Hamilton Jim Davidson Charlotte Church Darren Day Lady Victoria Hervey HRH The Prince of Wales Anne Robinson Edwina Currie Chris Moyles Jamie Oliver Cliff Richard (*) Max Clifford The 3AM Girls Naomi Campbell Simon Cowell Sara Cox Harry Potter - who appears on this list despite being a fictional character and therefore not strictly eligible for inclusion Tara Palmer-Tomkinson James Hewitt Andrew Lloyd Webber Catherine Zeta-Jones The Earl of Wessex Tracey Emin Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen Mick Hucknall Michael Winner Pete Waterman Naseem Hamed Ainsley Harriott Trinny and Susannah Peter Mandelson Ken Livingstone Darius Danesh Amanda Holden Zoë Ball Martine McCutcheon Elton John Ant and Dec Alastair Campbell Ozzy Osbourne Stephen Byers and Jo Moore Richard Madeley Vinnie Jones Alan Titchmarsh The Countess of Wessex Chris Tarrant Ben Elton Jeremy Clarkson Jeremy Spake Carol Vorderman David Dickinson Frank Skinner Paul Burrell Tom Jones Sarah, Duchess of York Carol Smillie Liz Hurley The Princess Royal Guy Ritchie Delia Smith Johnny Vaughan Peter Tatchell Sting Gordon Ramsay Mick Jagger Damien Hirst Julie Burchill Richard Branson (*) John Prescott Judith Chalmers Cherie Blair Nigella Lawson David Beckham (*) Will Young Vanessa Feltz Ann Widdecombe Davina McCall Chris Eubank The Lord Irvine of Lairg Craig David Iain Duncan Smith Atomic Kitten - actually a band, not a person |
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| Profler |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 03:17 PM
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Why did IDS make the list, he never did anything...
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| the Black Prince |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 03:34 PM
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why on earth did Lord Irvine end up on the list??? he was SOOO much better at his job than the current incumbant, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, who i might add, was responsible for the millenium dome fiasco and should most definately be included
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one crandar to close them one crandar to ban them all and in the darkness burn them Seek the community that was broken, in Anagenesse it dwells. There shall be councils taken, stronger than Spartan's spells. |
| Profler |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 03:46 PM
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Shhh! That was Mandelson, remember -------------------- Consul of the Republic
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| Londinium |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 05:54 PM
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Well compared to the others Zach, he wasn't really a great Briton, while he was undeniably one of the best stars of music ever, and oozed charisma. Aside from his contribution to Band/Live Aid he never really did much, to deserve to be on the list. Bono has done much more and he's only #86. -------------------- ![]() "In the absence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel
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| Miborovsky |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:08 PM
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Ahh, I only knew less than 25 people from the 100 Worst Britons List. Looks like my mind is rathe unpolluted by Anglo-Saxon propaganda.
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| Gruffydd |
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:23 PM
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![]() Caporal ![]() Group: Friend Posts: 36 Member No.: 52 Joined: 1-March 05 |
Ha Alex, Owain Glyndwr ranked 23. So much for some Welsh weakling aye? For all interested (yeah right).... Owain Glyndwr is one of the key figures in Welsh heritage. He was of noble birth on both sides, being connected to all the Welsh ruling families. He had homes at Glyndyfrdwy, in the Dee Valley in north Wales and at Sycharth, near Bala, the latter being described by Iolo Goch, his family bard, as “this mansion of generosity”. He led a conventional life, studying law in London, and serving with Richard II in France and Scotland. When Richard was usurped by Henry IV, many refused to believe that he had died, probably from starvation. There was much unrest because of the harsh rule of England, and strained relations between Owain and his neighbour Lord Grey of Ruthin, a close friend of Henry. When in 1400 Lord Grey deliberately delayed summoning Glyndwr to serve in the army in Scotland until it was too late to make an explanation, the uprising began with an attack on Ruthin and other towns in north-east Wales. After the attacks the men disappeared back into the hills. When King Henry marched from Shrewsbury at the head of a large army, not a single Welsh soldier could he find. Glyndwr was declared an outlaw and his estates were confiscated. The skirmishes became battles over the next few years, such as the important victory at Hyddgen on Plynlimon. News of success spread through Wales, and the Welsh grasped the opportunity to serve under the great leader they has been waiting for since the days of Llewellyn Fawr and to throw off the English rule they hated so much. Welsh students at Oxford sold their books and travelled home to fight, Welsh labourers in the fields of Shropshire and Herefordshire downed tools. As far as the Welsh were concerned, if Richard was still alive then Henry was not the lawful King and his son could not be Prince of Wales – the obvious alternative was Owain Glyndwr. After Hyddgen Henry marched into South Wales while Owain attacked castles in the borders and north. By 1402 the battle of Pilleth in Powys had been won and Owain was moving back and fore through the land. It was a brutal time in an often barbaric age, and the suffering it caused to local people and the many ruthless acts has not been completely forgotten, and a certain ambivalence still lingers in some country areas. He burnt the towns around many castles. The battle of Stalling Down lasted eighteen hours when Owain with help from his French allies and men from the Glamorgan hills inflicted a terrible defeat on Henry and his army of many thousands. The armies met in a ravine and it was said that the blood was fetlock-deep. In 1404 he captured the key castles of Criccieth, Harlech and Aberystwyth and held the first Welsh Parliament in Machynlleth, where he was also crowned Prince of Wales. He held two other Parliaments in Harlech and one in Dolgellau over the next two years, held an important conference in Dolgellau and signed a treaty with France. This was no minor revolt brought on by a local quarrel and for a short while it looked as if the Welsh dream of independence was within their grasp. Then the tide turned, battles in the south and east were lost, and in 1408 Aberystwyth castle was the first in Britain to be attacked by big guns and was eventually starved out. The winter of 1408-9 was terrible and many communities starved or froze to death. The heart went out of the resistance movement, the French allies sailed away and in 1409 Harlech castle, which was home for Owain’s family, surrendered because of famine and sickness. His wife, daughters and grandchildren were taken prisoner and Owain himself was without a base. He faded from history, probably to live in Monnington Court with one of his daughters. Certainly folk tale in the village says that a horse was kept saddled day and night in case he needed to get away quickly. Many historians believe he returned to his hills to die. His grave is beside no church, neither under the shadow of any ancient yew. It is in a spot safer and more sacred still. Rain does not fall on it, hail nor sleet chill no sere sod above it. It is forever green with the green of eternal spring. Sunny the light on it; close and warm and dear it lies, sheltered from all storms, from all cold or grey oblivion. Time shall not touch it; decay shall not dishonour it; for that grave is in the heart of every true Cymro. There, for ever, from generation unto generation, grey Owen's heart lies dreaming on, dreaming on, safe for ever and for ever. |
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