I was recently going over Hybrid's information and stumbled upon a reoccuring thought I've had for awhile now. Now, before I get started I just wanted to say that this is for general knowledge as well as something for the RP but I really am more curious about what you guys might think than anything else. Check it out: Hybrid is a merged entity of three brothers(Rampage or Phage, Riot, and Lasher) and one sister sibling(Agony) to Carnage with thier respective father being Venom. I found a pretty extensive break down on the whole symbiote topic right HERE stating that each symbiote carries a respective number of seeds and each birth, the next generation is typically stronger than the last with stronger resistances than the last as well.

So my question to you is this:If VENOM can lift 11 tons and his son, Carnage can lift 50 tons. Then why is it an amalgamation of 4 1st generation Venom spawn (same Gen as Carange) (Hybrid) can only lift 30-35. Even Hybrid's Nephew, Toxin, Being the 1st 2nd Generation to date, can lift 75 tons. That is understandable, I feel, because his father (Carnage) was gestated on Earth which apparently has a signifigance in thier strength and abilities.

But I still feel in some way that Hybrid should be a tad stronger. All the host to symbiotes are average humans, primarily Cletus Cassidy, who still easily out matches him so that can't be a factor I don't think (then again he is crazy. Damn Crazy Strength). I tried working out the math using Carnage's strength as a base line for 1st Gen Venom Spawn and came up with this formula I felt might better represent his actual strength(which is still all theoretical, but it erked my nerve cause I felt Hybrid got short changed after merging with so many Symbiotes and not reaping the total rewards of it. Hell, Carnage merged with a whole gang of Symbiotes in the Planet of the Symbiotes mini series and became as big if not bigger than a building):

50 tons (1stGenBaseLine) * .75 (or 75% due to not having a host at time of merger)=37.5 tons for one Symbiote w/o host

* 4 ( for # of hostless merged symbiotes)=150 tons

* .50( or 50% for having to go through with merging with each other and not a host)=75 tons.

With that line of reasoning, Hybrid by sheer fact of Quantity of 1stGen V-Spawn should atleast be able to go toe to toe with his nephew.

This has been something I've wondered about ever since I read Along Came A Spider 4 part mini series and Venom vs. Carnage mini series. Any thoughts or comments would greatly be appriciated. Plus I could talk Symbiotes all day being they're one of my favorite's of the Marvel Universe... next to Spider-Man ofcourse. So tell me what you think.

Wow Venoms alot weaker then I thought, he's only as strong as an average zoanoid.

One thing to be said about the symbiotes that hybrid is composed of though is that they were forcebly extracted from Venom rather than a typical cycle of offspring. It's possible thats had an effect on how much they enhance someone, some evidence that might support that is the fact that unlike other symbiotes the ones that are merged together to make Hybrid don't have homicidel or otherwise violent tendencies, the Toxin symbiote (which came from carnage as normal offspring included aswell as thats kept tamed by a truce from Paddy(the host) to stay under control in exchange for violent outlets at night.
Even the last symbiote of the group of ones that were removed from Venom and didn't merge into hybrid got the host Donna who it was already revealed to be quite possibly insane as she confessed to hearing voices before she joined with the symbiote.

The original VS(Venom symbiote) it's self wasn't at first looking for aggressive outlets, it just wanted to survive when it was trying to bond to Spider-man who rejected it, didn't really go crazy till it joined with Eddie Brook. My idea is that the Hybrid symbiotes are closer in ability to the original Venom symbiote in both ability to enhance and nature rather than the stronger yet as it seems more progressively unstable offspring of each generation. With hybride it's increased abilities like strength compared to the VS come from there being more than one.

I have some other points and blah blah that could be added to that but thats the just of it, though in all honesty my idea's just guess work so I can't say it'll stand up to debate.

I think a full gestation period might have something to do with it as well. It makes sense. Also, I read on another webpage that Carnage's mental stat is what empowers him so. Even Donna being as unstable as she is is equal to Hybrid in raw strength. Which raises the question of how Venom was able to beat her so handedly and so many times? Hmmm? I currently believe that the closest we've seen to a perfect symbiote is Toxin/Patty. Also, since they're 4 symbiotes in Hybrid, does that mean the number of seeds he/she/it is able to produce increased as well?

I think the combined trauma of peter messing up eddie's life (suppossedly) and the rejection from peter/spider-man pushed them both over the edge. The symbiote and eddie both playing a combined vessel to both of their vengence.

Do you thin that over time Hybrids trauma to being forcibly extraced from VS would lessen?

I'm wondering how venom managed to avoid getting killed by carnage with such a power difference he even put him at a disadvantage a couple times.

Yeah, thats true. Carnage is bonded so closely that Cletus(the host) refers to himself as I rather than the typical symbiote reference we, the two are just one persona, also physically the symbiotes also combined in his blood, he just has to be to cut to become Carnage again.
As for Venom being physically weaker yet still beating Donna and holding off against carnage, might be that while Donna and Cletus strength are proportionate to they're mental states they don't really get impressively strong as they're effected by they're immediate moods while Venom being more stable has a more reliable baseline. Also, being a touch less bit insane Venom can probaly plan out better and has much more experiance at using the symbiote than anyone else, it was the reason why Donna was looking for him.

I couldn't say, thats anyones guess. Might be that yes, they have since there's four so you have the potential for four times more offspring, or four simultanious offspring, or because they were forcible removed they won't have any at all or you might get an amalgram type of spawn thats got a bit of each of the four symbiotes. Too many variables.

As for the trauma passing over time, I don't think so, also don't hope so. If the traumas the reason they're more concious and less aggressive then it's possible that as that wore off and they got stronger they'd take to more violent tendencies like the Carnage or Toxin symbiotes like each normal progressive cycle of offspring.

Again, all of this is just guess work, minus Venom or Carnage I don't the know other symbiotes that much at all, if any. I'm just finding out stuff as I look'em up.

Venom has usually had violent tendencies even while protecting those he deemed to be "Innocents". Then there's the whole thing when Venom needed to eat brains which led to the Planet of The Symbiotes story line. In light of that I was wondering how Carnage was the only sym. able to absorb other sym.s.

I really hope Marvel doesn't put an end to the non-main sym charecters like Donna, Hybrid (currently an inactive New Warrior), and Toxin. I really think they are charecters with alot of potential. (kinda reminds me of the Guyver a little).