I've had this idea for a while now and i thought it was about time to post it up. Now i know we don't use magic in our rpgs sense it's easy to abuse. however, I think it's high time we came up with something new on the board so here it is.

I putting together a "spellbook" of sorts in witch anyone wanting to play a magic user most pull there spells from. I'm pulling spells form RPG books such as D&D, WOW RPG, and the like.

i'm thinking of useing a point system of 1-100 as a way to control how many spells a user can cast. the power and the level of the spell will affect it's cost on the point system. a low level spell may cost 5 points and a high level one may cost 15-20 points. points are earned by staying out of combat.

putting this spell book together is a big undertaking and i wouldn't mind some help.

thank you

To be honest, I'm fucking tired of people saying 'magic is overpowered'

Sure.. maybe it can be abused..

But so can ANYTHING.. geeze.. You can easily make an over powered character basing it off the guyver too.. Relevent Examples are Dreadnaught, Bloodstorm (fanfiction version, not the rpgs) W'kar Anubis.. the list goes on and on. Yet no one complains about them, since they're *GASP* NOT MAGICAL!

Personally, I say it'ld be easier if we just listed all the spells our characters could do in our datafiles and treat them like normal attacks. You can't use spells stronger than anything allowed in the rpg to non-spell casters.. like if the cap on a megasmasher is 20x normal.. then no spell can do more than 20x a megasmasher..

If we quit freaking out becuase it's differant, we'lll learn that's it's really no differant from what we've been dealing with.

SURE is can be abused if you don't have limits on it.. Take a guyver and say 'This guyver can do anything it wants' and it'll be abused to. Magic should simply be another way to use powers, NOT something that's compleatly and totally crazy.


As for putting togeather a spellbook.. go ahead.. just make sure your using open content material.. we don't need to get sued when you go trigger happy grabbing up spells that aren't open-content material.

I agree, its just as easy to abuse anything else, I never really understood why everyone made such a big fuss over this in particular. As long as its listed in the df's I dont think it should be too much of a problem.

It guyver beligerent, oh noes!

I think the thing with it is that magic doesn't have any kind of ground, you literally can do anything with it, it's just so wide spread unlike a guyver which we typically have the usual of to use as a template, so one person eventually does what they want, others follow suit.

If you want to put a limit on it, have that using magic uses up a persons life energy, so the bigger the spell, the more draining it is.

Or you could even use that limitation as a base to work off

I still think that if the person lists exactly what it does and what limitations there are to their magic in the df it shouldnt be a problem. Even in the case of guyver based rpg's most of those have custom made guyvers in those, so the chances of something screwy happening are technically just as good as in this case unless its tightly regulated like in mg or the new cronos.

Okay guys.. I'm SICK of you saying 'you can do anything with magic"

YOU CAN'T.

Even in games where magic is an every day factor and everyone in the world can use it, it has set laws and limits. People who sit there and say "I'm going to make a magic character, but not list what abilities he has with the magic, so he can do anything" are the problem, not the magic itself.

How is a magic character that can do anything differant from a character which a nth dimentional fish sword that allows him to do anything? Or Guyver balligerant, who could do anything... or some sort of character who is able to warp the laws of physics and bend space/time with his mind due to genetic manipulation, letting HIM do anything?


Magic is simply another power source. It's ablility to be abused is no more or no less than anything else, be it guyver, or fish sword, or genetic manipulation.

If someeone trys to 'do anything' with magic, by not listing thier abilities.. they're breaking the rules, same way as a guyver character not listing thier abilities.
That what the rules are there for.. to make sure people don't get out of hand. What makes you guys think magical characters are somehow immune to the rules?

Anyone who says magic can do anything, quite simply, needs to get thier head out of thier ass and learn that it's no differant from anything else. Boo Hoo. I've insulted half of you. Grow up, you babies. Quite frankly, I don't care if one of the other admin deletes this part. Some of you people are just fucking childish about these things.
Grow a pair allready.

Hey hey let's not get into tuna fish swords because mine will :pwned: all!

That being said let's all take a deep breath and relax and not well, act like kids with guns as seen cleverly shown here :nopoke:

Yes magic can be abused, but then again so can crystal meth.

Magic or Guyvers or enhanted tuna fishes which are actually alternate extra dimensional beings of limitless power always have to be designated limitations which falls under the creator of the RP if they're any good and not ones that say 'anything goes' kind of thing unless that's the point of the RP.

So now then, put on your funny little dunce caps and everyone whose been bickering go sit in a corner or you have the latter option of kissing, hugging :cuddle: , and making up, now don't confuse that with making out or I'll start banning people. :offtopic:

Blood, get a grip, calm down, now.

Thank you

Anyway I actually agree with you but it's like I said already.

Magic can have any ground, while we follow a general layout for guyver's, so people percieve it to be free of restrictions or limitations which is why people just abuse it.
So now that this is over with, can we get back to thinking of ways to control/limit so it can be used in rpg's without people fucking around with it too much like we were supposed to with this topic rather than debate magic in general with no real direction :mellow:

I think rather then trying to make some new system for magic it'd be much easier just to make a new rpg rule that unless the rpg maker says otherwise all magic limitations of a character need to be listed and approved before use. I'm not even sure if that's nessecery, but if you think it needs to be pointed out that badly, it'd be the easier way to go then designing a system.

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We don't need a new system for magic. The people who think magic has no bounds and try to use that are simply making illegal characters.

We've had a rule since day one that EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ATTACK your character is capable of doing should be listed in the datafile. Fireball spell? Fine. List how big it is and how much it hurts. Suddenly it's nice and contained just like anything else. Magic Missile? 3 orbs or light that seek out a target without fail and do as much damage as a head laser. Nuff said.

I simply don't understand why some people think it needs to be any more complicated.


And for those of you saying "it needs some sort of drawback, like power points or life energy used" or some shit..

You guys really think its 'free' to use a guyver's megasmasher over and over with no need to recharge or let the weapon cool down? Or that it doesn't drain the host's stanima if used repeadedly?
Oh.. wait.. I forgot. Guyver's are 'common ground' and we 'know what they can do'...

The only reason magic ISN'T is becuase we had ONE SINGLE CHARACTER use it out of bounds.. in an rpg that was DOOMED TO START IN THE FIRST PLACE, and suddenly it's the end of the world. (For the record, this was lazarus's character in the first attempt at the sequal to the gathering)

Hell, half of us used magic characters in the vampire hunter D rpg.. and I don't see anyone complaining about those? Why so differant now?



Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with this picture when Mr.Z and I are the voices of reason.

In anycase, This topic is getting locked, before it gets further out of hand.