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Title: How High Can A Guyver Jump?


Kaiser Dragoon - October 15, 2005 03:09 AM (GMT)
Anybody know off hand, keep in mind this is without the Gravity Orb being used to augment anything.

Gall_4185 - October 15, 2005 03:49 AM (GMT)
15-20 feet has easily been demonstrated in the anime(ground to roof of a two storey building)

Sparky - October 15, 2005 08:26 PM (GMT)
This is probaly pretty easy to answer actually. I'd say it would vary from person to person but the take the average persons jumping distance/height from both standing and running leap and merely multiply it by a factor of 100x the same as the armour does to strength and speed for instance and you hve your answer. Easy peasy get me some lemon squeezy. :)

Kaiser Dragoon - October 16, 2005 02:11 AM (GMT)
Thanks Sparky :P I was just curious if there was a certain standard or something of the sort.

BloodStorm - October 16, 2005 02:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sparky @ Oct 15 2005, 03:26 PM)
This is probaly pretty easy to answer actually. I'd say it would vary from person to person but the take the average persons jumping distance/height from both standing and running leap and merely multiply it by a factor of 100x the same as the armour does to strength and speed for instance and you hve your answer. Easy peasy get me some lemon squeezy. :)

Not nessisarily, Sparks. Even with the increased strength and speed available to a guyver, you have to deal with the increased weight of the host. Most guyver's weigh around 300 lbs heavyier while boosted.. which can double or even triple the host's base weight.

So while 100x the power output won't work, it's probobly safe to say that the guyver could easily manage between 20 to 50 times normal.. Such as to the roofs of most suburban homes, like shown in the manga.

Of course people trained to jump better could probobly do alot more. Imagine using a guyver in a polevaulting match. :lol:

Kaiser Dragoon - October 16, 2005 03:43 PM (GMT)
Or the long, triple, or high jump events B)

Sparky - October 16, 2005 09:17 PM (GMT)
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Not nessisarily, Sparks. Even with the increased strength and speed available to a guyver, you have to deal with the increased weight of the host. Most guyver's weigh around 300 lbs heavyier while boosted.. which can double or even triple the host's base weight.

So while 100x the power output won't work, it's probobly safe to say that the guyver could easily manage between 20 to 50 times normal.. Such as to the roofs of most suburban homes, like shown in the manga.


Not quite Blood, while the armour may triple host weight while it's active, it still increases the other physical capacity by 100x factor. So your ratio for increased weight versus increased output is far in favour of better output so the weight increase isn't as much of an affecting factor as you may think.

BloodStorm - October 17, 2005 03:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sparky @ Oct 16 2005, 04:17 PM)
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Not nessisarily, Sparks. Even with the increased strength and speed available to a guyver, you have to deal with the increased weight of the host. Most guyver's weigh around 300 lbs heavyier while boosted.. which can double or even triple the host's base weight.

So while 100x the power output won't work, it's probobly safe to say that the guyver could easily manage between 20 to 50 times normal.. Such as to the roofs of most suburban homes, like shown in the manga.


Not quite Blood, while the armour may triple host weight while it's active, it still increases the other physical capacity by 100x factor. So your ratio for increased weight versus increased output is far in favour of better output so the weight increase isn't as much of an affecting factor as you may think.

Simple math, sparky. You might be 100 times stronger, yes.. but you still weigh alot more. The extra weigh simple doesn't care how strong you are. It's just there.

So if a base human can weighs 150 lbs, the guyver practically triples his weigh. Lets say this guy can jump a foot and a half directly upwards. Now he's 100 times stronger, yes.. If strength was the only factor, he could now jump directly up over hundred and fifty feet into the air. Factor in the increased weight, Your only looking at between fifty to 60 feet maximum. Now of course That's going directly by the math. In the manga and anime, we havn't even seen guyvers jump THAT high... as Kris said, 20 feet or so seems to be the highest we KNOW they can jump.

In short, Your stronger, yes.. but you weigh more, and have alot more mass to move. Even factoring the kenitic enhancers in the various sections of the armor your not going to reach a full 100x power output so effortlessly.

Sparky - October 17, 2005 08:46 PM (GMT)
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Simple math, sparky. You might be 100 times stronger, yes.. but you still weigh alot more. The extra weigh simple doesn't care how strong you are. It's just there.

So if a base human can weighs 150 lbs, the guyver practically triples his weigh. Lets say this guy can jump a foot and a half directly upwards. Now he's 100 times stronger, yes.. If strength was the only factor, he could now jump directly up over hundred and fifty feet into the air. Factor in the increased weight, Your only looking at between fifty to 60 feet maximum. Now of course That's going directly by the math. In the manga and anime, we havn't even seen guyvers jump THAT high... as Kris said, 20 feet or so seems to be the highest we KNOW they can jump.

In short, Your stronger, yes.. but you weigh more, and have alot more mass to move. Even factoring the kenitic enhancers in the various sections of the armor your not going to reach a full 100x power output so effortlessly.


Agreed, you wouldn't hit the 100x output at ABSOLUTE max but you still have to look at it from the basic reasoning.

Take an average person, now triple his weight.
Now multiple his muscle capacity by 100x

The sum goes 3x weight against 3x muscle/strength output which on the simplest line puts the guy back to about average
Left over output increase is about 97x multiplication factor

With a loss of three points to balance the weight, with that left over additional increase the loss becoems negligable.

Yes I know the main number work would be alot more complicated then that but bringing it down to the simplest level, that's what it would be.
An Additional note would also be that a significant portion of that increased weight is attributed parts of the armour that work to increase strength so it isn't a case of pure weight increase but on a comparable line of thought on a human thats the muscle weight and not just fat or whatever.

BloodStorm - October 17, 2005 11:56 PM (GMT)
Unfortunatly sparky, it doesn't work that way. We're talking ratios here.

take unenhanced human. His ratio is 1 to 1. The first number represents strength and the second number represents weight.

Guyvered up, this man has a ratio of 100 to 3. 100 times the power, but three times the weight.

In real world terms, this is like adding speedboosters to a car. Sure the car moves alot faster.. but the extra weight of the car from the newly installed boosters cuts the efficiancy way down (especially if the boosted car now weighs three times as much as it used to, for comparison's sake)
Now pretend this car has enough power output to go 100 times as fast as it used to, but weights three times as much. Going by YOUR math, we'ld have a result of going 97 times faster than previously.
Any automotive student can tell you this is NOT how it would work.

Percentages and Ratios, my friend. It's simple physics.

Also sparky, keep in mind that I have the visual Datafiles section, where as you do not, or atleast havn't mentioned that you have. I've seen the inner workings of the guyver, including the kentic enhancers in the arms and legs that allow the guyver an 100x physical output without a similer musclemass. The enhancers (as I've allready mentioned) are allready factored into my equations.




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