BIG SPOILER




I've seen the new anime and at a certain part, Guyver 1 goes into defence mode. he fights Zerabubues v.2. Well I came up with a theory. Since the Guyver needs bio energy to live then the Guyver in Self defence mode would use as little as possible other wise the host could die.

So I was thinking that maybe Guyver 1 was using the nessasary power to win. After all, he didn't waste any energy by killing Zerabubues. I think that if he frought a Zoalord he would go all out.

Aye it may go all out or if it were given a choice it may try and flee if it knows the host wouldn't be able to defeat something as powerful as a Zoalord, but then again that's just me speculating.

Not quite, I don't think the unit use's that kind of reasoning. On terms of functionality it goes as the unit increases strength 100x, reflexs and such as a standard constant. I don't see unit cutting down on operating level to save energy just because it's in self defence mode rather than the host in control.

In my opinion it's just going to keep operating at it's base level to the best of it's capability the same as it would doif the host was in conotrl. Though in terms of practical running, it may try to conserve energy by avoiding using the more destructive weaponry such as pressure cannon, mega smasher etc unless certain critieria like the area it's in or a threat warrants it.

Although it's fair to mention I haven't yet seen the new series so I can't say for certain weather my opinion counts as valid towards that.

I would think it gaguges the enemy's power then decides which weapons and how much power to use sorta like a super computer.

Well, a constant throughout the series and Manga has shown the Guyver unit 'testing' a foe when originally activated. As we have all seen, Gregole is no match whatsoever for Guyver 1. Yet, we saw the two grapple for several moment as the Unit, in self defense mode, seemed to debate how to kill the unknown foe. In my personal opinion, the Guyver itself does act like a computer with a very advanced AI. The foes seen by the Host and Guyver alike are stored in the Guyver and allow the self defense AI to react accordingly. As seen, the Guyver only had to use minimal strength to destroy the Gregole because it tested the Zoanoids muscle capacity in a grapple.

In the case of hyper destructive tools such as the Mega Smasher. We saw the Guyver in self defense mode obliterate Vamore in the original series. Reason for that may be the fact the Guyver couldn't accurately gauge the Vamores powers due to a projectile weapon it used. Naturally, the Guyver would avoid a powered attack to save itself and the host, so no physical gauge could be used to discern the best power conserving way to destroy the foe. In such a situation the Guyver seemed to have deemed it an emergency and used it's most destructive weapon.

We also saw bits and pieces where the Guyver activates a weapon itself to ensure the life of the host. When battling Enzyme for instance in the original series and such. The Pressure Cannon was utilized even with the Guyver not in control of the host. This itself says to me that the Guyver is a merged conciousness of the Host and Unit when active. And as such the Guyver always has a certain degree of control over a situation.

Back on the topic of the Self Defense AI's smarts, I believe the AI is a compilation of the Host and Guyver conciousnes' combined. The difference between the pairs actions is dependant on the mental well being of the host. If the Host is unable to support both of the Mental Patterns the Guyver will dictate who is in control.

In the case of Sho killing his father, the Guyver KNEW what Enzyme 2 really was and that is why we saw the Guyver holding the arm of Enzyme 2 after the battle for a moment before it dissolved. The reason the Guyver killed him was because it had to choose between life and death. And while it seeks the well being of the host in all aspects, it would choose the hosts life over Mental Health, even if that means the Guyver must remain in stasis for a period of time due to the Hosts mental instability.

Only during the later periods after gaining better control of the Guyver did Sho have complete control perse. He was able to summon weaponry at will without relying on the Guyver to do it for him, and as such we saw longer periods of Bio Boosting with less physical drain later due to the fact that the Guyver AI didn't need to split Sho's bio energy to run itself and his armor.

The Guyver as we have seen on several occasion will use the least amount of power possible to take out a foe to save the hosts Bio Energy reserves, mostly due to the fact the Guyver NEEDS to use these reserves to regenerate the host in some way,shape, or form.

In the new anime series this seems to cement my theory as the Guyver activates weaponry as needed, and dictates how much of the bio energy is to be sent to each weapon. Sho himself is not advanced in handling the Guyver and thus it controls itself to a degree for him. We've also seen Sho tire out after using the Guyver due to the fact it activated it's weapons on it's own.

In some instances the Guyver seemed to have known Sho would need the Bio Energy elsewhere and thus shut itself down in certain areas. When battling the Aqua type Zoanoid the Guyver would not allow Sho to charge the Mega Smasher due to the fact it wasn't a 100% kill shot. Instead, the Guyver diverted energy to the High Frequency Blades when Sho needed them the most.

Another example is of battling the Sonic Weapon Hyper Zoanoid duo Noskov, and Myumelzee. The pair were basicaly tossing the Guyver around like a ragdoll and Sho could not, or would not fight back as he didn't seem to know how. Sensing the Hosts predicament the Guyver took over an utilized the weapon it saw best fit to take care of the situation as it must have been recording the battle.

Put simply I am siding with the theory of the Guyver being a kind of Super Computer AI, but an AI that is an amalgamation of Sho and the Guyver, with the Guyver being the dominant conciousnes.

Man that is alot of information to go through although it is ture and thanks for all the info I also think that the guyver over time becomes more connected to it's host so in the end maybe the host and guyver minds become the same but the question is which one would be in control guyver or host. :(

Read my post thoroughly, you'll see my views on the dominant personality between the two.

Spoken like a guyver guru :D
I agree with Xenon and Bloodfang.

Thanks for the support Guyver bane. (sorry if ai messed up your name). But here's something else to think about can the guyver grow stronger without anything like a gigantic unit. What I mean is can a guyver unit increase the power of it's weapons and if it can how would the defence mode change would it at first make the host try out it's new powers or would it use the same power gaugeing Xenen talked about in other words does a guyver have a limit to it's power?

Put simply, the Guyver itself has no limit alone. Once connected to a host, however, it must create a limit via the Control Medal to protect the host. The Guyver itself is a ravenous parasite without the Control Medal. The Control Medal is the only thing that makes the Guyver a useful tool as opposed to a deadly parasite.

As we saw in the new series, with the medal damaged, Guyver 2 has a temporary overload and for a split second we saw the true form of the Guyver parasite.

The Guyver would NOT overload it's own weapons intentionally for fear of killing the host. Citing the same example of Guyver 2, the Control Medal seemed to shut down both the armor and the host until the Power Overload had ceased.

SO, no, the Guyvers weapons are limited by the Hosts body and will not ever exceed their maximum basic potential.

I would try to contrdict you but I can't think of anything that makes a good agruement.

Although I dont pretend to be smart enough to say that this following theory I'm about to present is valid, I do have my own opinion on the guyver, so please bare with me.

Yes as you said Xenon, the CM is there to protect the host from being consumed by the parasite. However, even with this CM, I believe there is no limit at all to the strength or power of the Guyver.

Put simple, in each fight, the Guyver has shown something akin to a Sayian complex. Now in DBZ we know that everytime a Sayian is beaten, they grow stronger. I think the Guyver is not all that different. You said earlier in your big explination Xenon that the Gregole was no match for the Guyver, this is true, but I believe that the CM supplies the necessary power to the hosts strength, speed and power when it is needed. As we've seen with the Hyper Zoanoids, Guyver 1 starts on downslope, he's outmatched at first, but then all of a sudden he's strong enough to hurt or even kill one very easily.

I know this is very cliche in animes, the hero getting a beat down and then suddenly having the power to win. But lets treat this as if it were reality.

There's no argument that the Guyver is a complex creature and with the CM, it becomes even more complex. The CM adds power regulation to keep the creature in check, this is something that's basically self explinatory from we've seen when a guyver goes rouge. However I think that a second purpose to this regulator. I think that the CM powers a host up when it is necessary and when that necessity is gone, it takes the power back, but still it is plausible that this is the case.

But as always, until the creator of Guyver confirms or deny's anything we thoerize on, its all just speculation.

I never thought of that but there is evendince of it in the anime when hyper zoanoid team 5 attacked the school Darzarb crushed the guyver's fist but in the Terminal battle epsiode the guyver basiclly beat down Darzerb so either it is a sayian complex as you Riven put it or the power gaugeing xenen and I agree on.

well another piece of evidence that goes with my theory is the Advents depature from the earth.

Yes I know its believed that they fled because they feared one of their zoa's merging with a guyver unit, a zoalord more then anything as popular belief has become.

Consider though.

Your a member of a Super Race that can genetically engineer armies of powerful beings such as the Zoalords. Now tell me, would you flee from everything you've worked for, just because a being with the strength of a 100 men suddenly threatened your existence? I dont know about any of you, but if I was an Advent with the facilities to create something as powerful as a Zoalord, I sure as hell wouldnt be frighten of a human guyver, thats not to say that I wouldnt hide from it while I created something that could face it.

In truth, the Advents reaction to a human guyver was far too extreme to be simple fear of another human or a zoaform getting their hands on a unit. So you have to ask yourself, what is it really about the guyver that so frightens the Advents?

The answer, Bio Energy.

the following it just a little tibit of information to consider:

Bio Energy, Its essential in all living beings. Its natural in the creation of life. And thats something the Advents can no longer control. We know tha the Advents called the Bio Booster armor, Guyver, when activated on a human, which means Out of Control, but what if this was a misunderstanding, what if it wasnt the armor they were calling Guyver.

What if, they were in fact, calling Life, Guyver? Hmm? Life is out of control because while they can create life, they can't control what makes life, and as I said, thats Bio Energy.


As I said before, I dont pretend to believe I'm smart enough to say this 100% plausible, because it very well may not be, but its very damn interesting when you consider all the stuff we've been able to determine about the guyver.

However, again, this is just speculation on my half

I dont think the reason why Sho beat down Darzerb so ealisly is because he was alot stronger then when they first fought. He did seem to be stronger, but here's probably why that is.

In the first fight Sho was concious and maybe even a little unsure about his chances against his opponents.

In the second fight Unit was in the drivers seat, Sho wasn't there to get in the way. And here's why that is important.

It's very rare that humans have access to 100% of what their truly capable of, in some extreme cercumstances some people can pull out more then what they normally could. There's the ever famous example of the old woman who lifts up the rear end of a car that had trapped a loved one. Another is a relitive of my high school biology teacher was able to rip a stop sign out of the ground and smash in the face of some guy who was attacking his mom. I can lift more then 200 lbs and I still can't rip a stop sign out of the ground, supposedly the guy who did that with the stop sign wasnt that strong either.

Anyway, the point is, since the unit was in control it had access to 100% of shos true power unrestrained by his personality. Thats why he seemed to be alot stronger in the second fight with darzerb.

Man this is getting to be a deep diccsion I agree with Riven on why the Advents, as she called them left I call them the Creaters. I also think they were afrid of the fact that the humans could turn against them and Rebel. And Mr.Z is correct in that it was sho that made the guyver weak but it wasn't his insecurity that did it, it was his fear he was afrid of darzerb of team 5. The guyver on the other hand has no fear and whooped darzerbs ass.

Heheh, BloodFang called Riven a girl. Riven just WISHES he was a woman. :lol:

And BloodFang, Advent is one of the names used to indicate the Creators in the manga.
For the curious, in some areas, the word Advent translates to "God". Just a little Factoid I'ld mention becuase I have nothing better to add, and wanted to add my two cents in for no other reason.

Well Riv, reason they left is unknown. Nobody has ever found the piece of writing by Takaya which states why the Advents left. Though, we can surmise from the fact that Guyver 0 probably blew open a Relic while a Guyver gave the Advents some food for thought. If more units were out there, unchecked, why chance your life when you can just drop a rock on the planet and end it all?

As Mr. Z said, the Saiyin complex doesn't work.

The difference in Sho's power comes from experience with the Unit or if the Unit takes control. We've seen him smoke some powerful enemies while concious, but mostly because the Guyver steps in momentarily. As seen via the Control Medal lighting up and then suddenly a new weapon, or power shows itself.

Of course, I'll have more data for my viewing soon. My Aunt in Japan has procured the entire Guyver Manga series for me, as well as the OVA, the new Anime when it's out in Japans DVD area, and several Guyver and Zoanoid figurines from the new series of Bio Fighters.

Not to be mean or anything. And by all means i understand how you could assume this, but i regret to inform you Riven is male. No matter how many times he sticks a magnet to his CM in Mad Guyvers and gets it ripped out.

Well thinking Riven was a girl was a slight mistake (his avater is kinda of misleading). I also think the Advent (god) is better than just calling them the Creaters. I also gotta say that this is probably the only place where everybody understands waht we're talking about.

Don't worry. Riven Does that on purpose.

By the way.. we're taking up money to hire a team or mercanary doctors to ambush riven in the middle of the night and "correct" his gender. If you want to help out, send cash to <Address removed because it was never real in the first place>

AAAhh that sounded like fun why can't we do it?

Yeah, VERY FIRST thing and also the most easiast to answer is because we all know and love guyver, so we DO know it :D


Ok, back to the point

Ok I agree with everything Chris said, he's basicly summed up the guyver in about the best way possible way but I don't agree that the AI is a combination of Sho and the guyver.
I would just say it's, on it's most basic level a highly advanced AI. Anyone who see's the guyver when the host isn't in control can easily see there is no Sho there. Sho's nature is purely and consistently to fight/protect only when it's the last resort. Face it, we all know that if he could just dissappear and never have his freinds or whatever in trouble he would. Even and/or especially when he was fighting his father as Enzyme 2, he'd rather have died there than kill his father.

When the guyver took over control it killed him with extreme prejudice and no hesitation as it did with anything it even just assumed to be a threat from being there even without attacking. It's a mechanism in it's purest form, it reacts, merely that simple.

I don't agree, like I already said I think the guyver keeps the enhanced capability's and powers blah blah blah all running on a constant level. I don't think the guyver is anywhere capable of charging a host up in that manner. The Organism is infinite in potential but like Chris said, once it joins with a host it's what the host body can sustain and remain stable. Powering up passed the norm basicly runs the VERY high risk of overloading by bypassing what the host can handle. Essentially that's basicly lethal to the host and goes against the main use/nature of what the guyver armour is meant for and that's to protect the host organism.
Although yeah I will agree it's possible that perhaps the armour can run low at a descended level of the norm to save power and when the need arises power up the standard norm.

Weather you's think I'm contradicting myself when I say I believe the guyver runs at a norm and then at a lower level to conserve energy, maybe. I'm not concrete on either opinion, for me they both go hand in hand to a degree and cover the concept of the guyver powering up to an extent but I'm ABSOLUTELY assertive on my point that the range of ability CAN'T be raised above the standard norm in or on anyway of the basis that the original level of assertained power can be passed.

Not really, think about it. It wasn't that a single being with the power of a 100 men threatened they're existance. It was the fact that in one simple step, it was one simple action of allowing a human to bond with a guyver that made something with power to in a practical sense threaten a Zoalord, one of they're best weapons.

From this, they saw only two things, the fact that the thing they made was un-abled to be controlled and the potential for power of destruction if just one of they're zoalords made this simple action of bonding with a guyver. It was this potential for a thing combined of un-stopple power and it being uncontrollable.

The mere idea that something like this could come into existence, that's what scared the Advents into running.