When I first joined WG and even after guyvers lair, I knew not what a gigantic was. but it was spoken of and in some of the rpgs. So i went and googled images, and there images of a way stronger looking guyver. In most rpgs I was shocked however when stats said it was only 2x stronger then a guyver. (Aside from gaining more moves and that the megasmasher is way stronger.)

I recently downloaded the guyver mange up to volume 25... It is painly obvious gigantic guyver more than two times stronger than a guyver...

0-24=Pitiful Human
25-74=Base Zoanoid
75-149=Power Zoanoid
150-299=Hyper Zoanoid
300-499=Guyver
500-749=Proto-Zoalord
750-999=Guyver Gigantic
1000-1499=Zoalord
1500-1999=Master Zoalord

I used to take this list like it was some form of power level...
It should be more like....

Human
base zoanoid
power zoanoid
hyper zoanoid
proto-zoalord
Guyver
zoalord
master zoalord (Present day arkenpheal)
Gigantic Guyver (Gigantic guyver has never lost to a zoalord. And has beaten two zoalords at the same time)
Gigantic Exceed Guyver
Arkphenael at his prime....

Yeah, and in general, after reading the manga... I cant see how we are making creatures that are 30+ times a standard guyver... and that is in essence, as we or I used to think, 15x a gigantic... um.... 15x a gigantic is insane......

I dont know what im trying to say though... but man... Gigantic is beastly... I need to find more of the manga online now...

You are very wise Tyde...

Now go post in the RPGs :bang:

Okqy..

Giga guyver = 2x guyver is based off an old mistranslation of the Visual Datafiles book.. which is as close as you can get to a bible for the guyver as possable.
More recent translations put this at 20x more accuratly.


The REALLY big guyver is just Sho using a new trick that had never been seen before. As far as I know, there are no official guidlines for the strength of this form. Some fan estimates put it at crazy-high numbers though.



and THIS

0-24=Pitiful Human
25-74=Base Zoanoid
75-149=Power Zoanoid
150-299=Hyper Zoanoid
300-499=Guyver
500-749=Proto-Zoalord
750-999=Guyver Gigantic
1000-1499=Zoalord
1500-1999=Master Zoalord

Is simple the post count needed for the rank in a forum. It's Nothing more. Has nothing to do with power levels.

gigantic vibro blades work way differntly then what I thought of aswell... does base guyver vibro blades extend like whips aswell?

Nope. Only gigantics can do the whip thing.


Seriously.. your like the only person on the lair that didn't know that..

Ok here's the real deal for gigantic

Physical power: 20x regular guyver

Gigasmasher: 100x megasmasher

Head beam: 5x regular headbeam

Pressure cannon: Probably also max's out around 100x but its never stated exactly how much it is.

But yes it always bugged me that people used to think the gigantic was so weak. Even without the translation it was obviously more then 2x.

There are some die hards who are arguing that the gigantic really isn't 20x and that the df was referring to its power conversion usually pointing at the head beam as evidence. However I think this is extremely unlikely for several reasons.

If you look at Takayas other DF's he's never beat around the bush by saying stuff like that. If he gives a bench mark for somethings power he's always referred to its physical streingth even if some of the numbers are rather questionable (malmot lifting up a truck at only 7x a regular human)

The fact is none of the gigantics powers are exactly 20x, the pressure cannon and smashers are all much more powerful, the headbeams are weaker, the secondery headbeams are only as strong as a regular guyvers. Therefore I think that the chances of it referring to something other then the gigantics physical power are slim to none.

Now in giant mode its alot tougher, havent gotten my book 25 yet so I don't have the exceed gigantics df yet.

Also, for the rpg's (like madguyver) giga's are in the 2x levell

Why? Becuase we've been using the 2x powerlevel for ages. We're too lazy to chnge from what we're familiar with.

Also.. the truck thing is plausable if you think about it, Z. A regular human, not even a bodybuilder or an athelete or anything, can live a vehical by themself with enough adrenaline in thier systems. Sure that involves massive amounts of tissue tearing and the like.. and it's not lifting if very high eaither... But 7 men lifting a truck is entirely pluasable. He WAS pretty adjitated at the time and that could have givin him enough adrenaline to let him lift it up just long enough.

Bloods right Tyde

Plus we've known about the gigantic actually being 20x for a quiet a while, but it was decided to continue along with current way of doing things in MG as it would cause to much confusion and chaos and we were never following the true guyver statistics from the get go.

As for the Gigantic Exceed Guyver, I've never seen it in action myself, but its attacks would only seem stronger because they're covering a greater area of damage then they would in the normal giga state, thats all.

I don't know I just got 25 today and it's headbeam was pretty powerful since he used it to take out a bunch of Kahns giant missiles. The headbeam was the only scaled power to go by though since the swords aren't energy based and weve never seen himuse the exaton crusher in small form.

Also one thing I noticed is that Aptom can amplify his powers more then we thought, he made zektolls headbeam as strong as a guyvers megasmasher when he attacked kahn unless he did something weird like switching his normal beam with the blaster tempest.

Assuming Zektolls beam was as strong as Zerbubuths lasers (this is either 4x or 8x vamore depending on the DF) then he can amplify his beam power by around 10 x! Powered Zerbubuths laser which was on par with a single guyver megasmasher was 10x the original Zerbubuth laser.