This is an issue that's been bothering me for a long time here and is actually part of the reason why I left in the first place. I didn't bring it up, because I didn't want to tell you guys how to run things, but I think it's a problem that really can't be ignored and that I was wrong not to say anything about it until now. I feel that most if not all the people involved in the rpg's haven't really been straight with me about any problems they might have with what I'm doing. Yesterday I was pretty angry about this but I've calmed down now and want to talk this out here. So I'm going to come out and be straight with you all about what I feel about this.


What my problem is , is that when people have a problem with something I post they almost never say anything about it until it's too late and the damage has been done. I think that all the large issues that people have had with what I've done, particularly in Mad guyvers could have been almost entirely avoided saving all parties involved alot of trouble if the parties who have reservations about what I was doing came to me earlier when I first posted something questionable and said something to the effect of "Hey you shouldn't do that because (insert reason here)"

I say insert reason here because even now no one has told me exactly what it was that I did wrong in my most recent transgression here. The same could be said for some of the other earlier ones though those are a bit easier to figure out. I'm going to say it now, if anyone has any problems at all about how I do things I want to be told straight out about it. I don't want people to secretly talk about how I've been ruining things while giving me a false impression that everything is ok on the outside. I mean Kamui even IM'd me because he wanted to see what my next post was, so if anything I thought I was doing a pretty good job. The closest thing I heard to a complaint was from Riven who informed me that I had misunderstood what had happened to Rivens control metal witht he magnet.

This might not be whats happening, but this is the impression I get from what I've seen. And to be honest this really pisses me off. When people do that its one of the things I hate the most along with Hamtaro and that guy I used to work with.

To get to the bottom of this issue I'm going to start back at where I feel the troubles really began.

1. The first really big problem we had was the nose biting incident. I did that because I thought it would add drama as well as some physical comedy to the rpg. Now apparantly that ended up rubbing some people the wrong way which got me into some trouble. Even now I'm not entirely sure what the problem was here, I can only assume that this somehow derailed a storyline that Sith was trying to tell. But no one even bothered telling me that this might not have been a good idea until Sith almost had me killed off for it.

2. The second time was a bit different from either that or the current problem in MG in that I misunderstood what Siths clone Arguil had done when turning me into a plushie. Arguil didn't have a DF and at the time I wasn't even aware he was supposed to be Siths Wraith who had all his same abilities including alchemy. When Sith had described what happened I had assumed that Arguil had some sort of weird power that removed my bones which made me like a plushie, not that he had literally turned me into one. Of course after that everyone jumped on me about it. I felt kind of bad about the whole thing but was also annoyed about this since there really was no information about Arguil available on the site. Of course you guys probably talked it out in MSN about what exactly his capabilities were but I who very seldom get in on those conversations had no clue. Although I felt bad about this enough for it to be the straw that broke the camels back when I left, I wasn't the only one to blame for this incident getting out of hand.

3. The third incident and most recent was apparantly my fight on the flagship seems to have screwed something up. And once again I'm completely unaware of what it was. I decided to go do that because I thought it would make things more interesting if things didn't go according to plan in the rescue mission and Kfive accidently blew everyones cover but apparantly that didn't fly for some unknown reason.

I've been thinking about what exactly the problems are that I'm causing here. This is just an educated guess, but I think the way I tend do things grates against the new style of rpging around here. The impression I get is that the rpg's now, at least MG is much more planned out then it used to be. Back when things started and now as well I tend to throw in all sorts of unexpected and chaotic stuff into my rpging which I had hoped would be good. But at times this seems to screw up things I don't know about that people are doing which I think is whats causing most of these problems.

That aside I think the main issue here is that communication around here just isn't very good at least if you aren't on msn alot. Now you might say that's my fault for not being on more. But the fact is there are people who for whatever reason just don't use messengers that often. There can only be two ways around this problem. Either we find a way to make all the important information disscusse on MSN about storylines people should avoid screwing around with as well as unposted character/technology data files or there should be a new rule that makes participation in the MSN conversations manditory for anyone who wants to participate int he rpgs. Not doing either of these to be blunt is nothing short of irresponsible and as we have seen its caused alot of trouble for you all as well as myself.

I know I'm no saint when it comes to making mistakes in RPG's but as I see it those who have been managing the situation are as much to blame for these incidents as I am.

Right now I'm about 75% leaning towards just writing my characters out and leaving, at the very least I will write my characters out of the rpg by no later then tommarow unless someone has a good reason why I shouldn't do this. Whether I stay or not will depend on if you guys take what I've said here into consideration. Please don't ignore this message. Even if it's too late for me, there are still plenty of little cable boys and girls out there who need help. If someone does something you don't think is good in an rpg talk to them about it the moment it happens. Otherwise things will only get worse and no one will learn anything from their mistakes.

Since the third incident has mostly been mostly my jurisdiction I'll adrees teh issues there. A lot of the problems came from several of your mutations and abilities being decreed in 1792 territory,most notably the Debu PDA and growing to a size in excess of 650 feet whilst in an enclosed space. And yes,you going off on your own did jeopordise several planned plot elements since pretty much following the move to here many RPG's have had a far more defined plot arc to follow. Also in regard to your mutations and upgrades,Sith stated WAY back when that upgrades and mutations needed approval prior to being used.

I'd asked Sith to PM you before I posted since it's his RPG,but you did make a valid point in that this could've possibly been avoided,or at least limited,if there was a greater degree of communication between you and the other members. With your mention of MSN,at any given point there's at least one lairite online(for example,as I post this there's seven members signed into MSN)

I'll add more to this explanation once I've had some food,but it's a start.

If I read the rp right here is part of the problem.


form a post by riv

then you tied yourself into events that happened in the later part of the post. wich was to happen after we arived. yet we just now within the last few posts arived.
in this respect riv kinda falls into the same thing you did as the latest post carries on after his/her (when dealing with mad guyvers do we refer to riv the player as the guy he is or as a girl as thats what riv is in the rp) ... anyway. riv also falls into this as we havent quite cuaght up to the timepoint where the second half of that post is.

or at least that's what things look like from this angle.... I could be wrong.
Well ... um... im gonna eat now so *hits post button*

*edited after posting* yeh. umm. I hope this didnt come off all preachy or condesending.....

but if you post something that links you to something then until it's reselved you need to preseve continuity.

but yeah... people really should have got in contact with you over it before this happened. *holds up a mirror and looks into it* I include my self in said people.

I did run those mutations by Sith and I gave him enough time to tell me if any weren't ok and I even told him when I planned to activate them which was during the next big battle. The exception to this was the Debu pda which I said I had planned to activate while in hiding. Since he didn't say anything about any of that I assumed I was good to go. After that I updated my datafile with them as well long before any were actually in use. Any concerned parties involved had more then enough opportunities to tell me that these weren't ok. But given that they didn't what else was I supposed to think?

You know its kind of embarrasing, I'm the one who made the 1972 rule but I can't quite remember exactly what it was used to prevent and can't find where its posted either. From what I remember it was either used to prevent things that were plain overpowered or things that were too absurd to work in the current RPG such as Dark matter claws I think were an example of that awhile back.

But given some of the other mutations that were showing up I didn't think either of these were too extreme. Several characters have planet killing capabilities, even with these two questionable mutations you mentioned I would only probably be in around the top 70% at best in terms of power rating.

The Debu PDA can't even be used to kill or control major charactors, it only works on low level creatures like Revyugs, sure you'd get fat if I used it on your chaacter but you'd go back to normal afterwards. How is that any different then Ghreckis sexy no jutsu (aside from the not being sexuially appealing part)? Or various other characters abilities to control Revyugs?

If it was to prevent powers that were too absurd I can also point out a number of abilities out there that others have that rival or exceed the absurdity of these such as the ability to take fictitious martial arts such as those used in a manga and use it in real life just by reading it.

But that's not really the point, it is his choice to accept the powers whether I think its ok or not, my complaint here is that he didn't let me know that these weren't ok.

In my opinion this is a collective failure on everyone's part. Issues cropped up that were just shoved under the rug and festered there until they exploded like what happened now.

Now as for MG, everyone should know by now at least that this RPG does have a much greater emphasis on a predetermined storyline to which all the characters are playing out. So let's get that out of the way now. In previous RPGs wild spontaneous things worked out because there typically was no overarching storyline in this one it can cause trouble.

So I put forth that anyone who wants to do something "outside of the box" in regard to their character which has the potential to influence the overall storyline PM Sith. He may hate me for saying so but better safe then sorry.

MSN is a great tool but it is foolish to expect that everyone will be able to utilize it. We ought to use PMs first and MSN as a last ditch attempt unless it's an issue that needs a lot of back and forth talk.

As for mutations I know it sucks but unless Sith explicitly gives the OK, since it is his RPG ya gotta bite the bullet and wait for a definitive yes or no. That being said I should hope he's able to get to the messages within a reasonable amount of time because that's unfair if messages go unanswered without proper justification.

On the upside, Z.. when you come back from the dead.. law of averages states you'll be a female for some unexplained reason.


And then you and I will be able to procreate.. and you'll get those weird teeth in the crotch thing your so fond of.


And you people thought I was just being weird when I made an "Indongstructo" mutation... See? A good evil mastermind is always several steps ahead. :lol:

Well technically I can already do that since with that shape shifting mutation I got back during the last battle I can become female or male anytime I want and even have a lesbian orgy with myself.

Well that's just it ever since the 2nd mutation phase he's only given me any sort of definite answer about anything I asked him mutation or otherwise about 25% of the time. Most of the things I asked I don't really think were unreasonable things either. Eventually I just got to thinking that his non response was just him being lazy and that the fact that he didn't tell me no meant it was ok. I suppose I may have interpreted that situation a bit wrong.

Anyway the good news is that since you guys listened to what I have to say here I won't leave the site. But I'm still probably going to write my characters out of MG. Some of the ways Sith tends to operate rub me the wrong way and some of the things I do seem to rub him the wrong way too so it might be better for both of us if I just leave that rpg. I do have a pretty interesting way planned out on how I'll do that though.

If you leave the lair again I am getting a driver's liscence just to drive up to indiana and kick your ass..

Knowing you, this won't accomplish much.. since you've been known to kick your own ass on occasion..

Although with the two of us in one place.. we'll be able to cause no end of heck on earth... bwa ha ha.

Gah I forbid you to leave MG because then I can't hold the title of supreme overlord because I won't have you and Blood as my minions!!

looks like you need a new lacky. <.<

Looks like Tank just got volunteered kai ;)

And Z,that might be the best solution in this situation by this point. However,your CM could easily be held in stasis in case you have a change of heart at a later date...

Well what I had planned was alot more interesting then that. I will say that it wouldn't be completely impossible for me to come back if I did change my mind though. This ending won't be as epic as the last one was though it'll be more WTF was that.

I still vehemently oppose you leaving, mostly because of the fact that we can't have a Revyug eating contest later on in the RPG B)

Well I might not depending on how stuff goes, Tydorei suggested something to me which I think might work depending on what happens.

Indeed. I'm going try and be Mr.Zs go between on msn for him. Basically try and make sure his questions get answered for him. Also when you guys mention somthing he needs to change, I'll let him know asap.

Why cant we all just get along?!

-Shrug- Oo;;

Well we worked some stuff out so its all good now

Group hug :hugmeh: :smoothg: :cuddle: :ni: :freakout:

*pounces boots for no specific reason*

*Watches the boots eat him.*