Basically, every human who lives in democratic country has basic human rights. One of them being the choice of freedom. One is free to chose where to live, what to eat, what to buy and not buy etc. This freedom is limited by law, which prohibits any action that will lead to harming other people (like killing, rubbering etc). It is assumed that humans do their choice basing on their own benefit - for example, one will not buy a bad car if he has enough money for a good one. But sometimes this rule is broken, and people chose things that will harm themselves - like drinking too much alcohol, taking drugs and so on. Shall the law prohibit such actions or the freedom of choice shall be untouchable?

You have the freedom to die where you can't take anyone else with you.

You have the freedom to put yourself into the financial gutter, it is your life, not mine.

I disagree with the latter. But that's off topic.

It's all well and good to let people do what they want but when they actually start doing stuff that endangers themselves or others, then it becomes pretty tricky trying to deal with them. Inevitably giving someone the freedom to do anything they want is an unspoken agreement with a lot of subtext underneath it - you're placing trust in that person not to exceed what society defines as reasonable limits but oftentimes people take such things too literally. It's much, much easier to simply go with the idea of the social contract, that a person gives up a certain degree of freedom in order to live in society and recieve the benefits for doing so.

Freedom is an ability to fallow the rules. People who can't fallow the rules because they weren't never given any aren't free - they are either prisoners or outcast .

^ There is no rule to not kill yourself >.>

@ Rabbit: The last sentence is the truth of the world. No sarcasm, I'm serious.

^ but there is a rule that you shouldn't pollute the lakes

Mmmm..... and?

As much as you can kill yourself, you bring a lot of problems to others :

- If you killed yourself in river, your body might pop up and scare little children giving them eternal trauma. Also you pollute river

- If you kill yourself in your room, not only you might crap your pants in process of your muscles straining, your family will be questioned for "Why did he kill himself ?" with accusing that it was their fault. Not cool

- If you kill yourself and your body can't be found, you engage police, rangers and anyone to search for you since there is hope your still alive and they can't abandon you..it's not nice when after a week of search they find you dead because you killed yourself.

- The nicest present you can give your family is for them to make unexpected preparations and costs for funeral [/sarcasm]

- Suicidal people can't be used for medical students - stupid rule.

^ You can make use of your body for the last time: just go to USA embassy with the poster "BURN THE IMPERIALISM" and then burn yourself.

Advantages:
- no pollution
- + to coolness
- you'll "prove your "existance" (lol) - every news show will talk about it
- - to wars

It all good.

^ I would be afraid to go outside if there were such freaks here - I think I started to love my country for the fact we are too lazy to protest in such matter.

I remember the great protest of Miners 10 years ago - they came, destroyed everything in 100 meter radius and went home. After they got bigger wages they repaid the damage costs....although it wasn't cool.

Come in Russia - you'll never get bored ;)

Might do, might do :D I was in your city once :D

Oh! How long ago?

It was 2 years ago But only for short - which is bad since I saw almost nothing..

You totally have to visit it. There certainly are things worth watching. Although you know it without me telling....

Back to the topic :

Freedom means also responsibility for your actions. People who aren't given a freedom but made to do something terrible - are they to be blamed ?

People who have freedom means that they are affected by responsibility - created by each civilization.

^ In ancient Greece a slave who committed a crime was to be punished by his master and no one else has the right to judge him.

One of questions included in yours is - if you were attacked, can you harm the attacker? I believe we have talked about this already.

You have the right to kill yourself but there will always be a nut to call the ambulance just in time to save you.

^ They should find a way to better kill themselves then.
Either way, seems like one of three things are the cause:
Incompetance.
Cry for help.
Not really wanting to die.


And if I am attacked, I'm pretty sure I'd like to harm the attacker... >.> More if the person tried to attack someone close...

There's also the 4th reason: Women.