Title: Chapter 77 Discussion [SPOILERS INSIDE]
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 09:10 AM (GMT)
Strangely, noone started this topic yet. So here it is...
Well, the arrival of Nothern Team was really predictable. As for everything else... Clarice acts as she is supposd to, until she interfers with Agatha killing Miata and saves her "daughter". Seems that Organisation did a fine job brainwashing her, if C;arice is forced to fight even when her mind is against it.
Kolox - February 10, 2008 09:17 AM (GMT)
More like Clarice felt responsible for Miata and did it - she overcame her fear to save her... it's like a father saving his daughter from burning building, even thought he really is scared of fire and death..
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 09:26 AM (GMT)
Well, to me it seemed that her body acted on her own, regardless of Clarices will. The base of this claim is that Clarice have rarely shown her emotional affection towards Miata, meaning Clarce doesn't really love her. To me it seems that she fears her "daughter" more then anything. Thus I find it hard to imagine that she'd overcome ehr fear and weakness and go and save someone who she fears.
Kolox - February 10, 2008 10:08 AM (GMT)
The moment Miata had her hands cut off and was pierced by lance like arms crying "Mommy, Mommy" she was everything but scary. In the moment she wanted to sacrifice herself to save her "Mommy" she wasn't that scary either.
Clarice, even if she was a big mistake, was trained as Claymore. I would more call it a fluke that she was alive.
I was expecting meeting of former no.47 with present no.47 soon. Clarice wouldn't be introduced if she wasn't somewhat important.
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 10:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kolox @ Feb 10 2008, 10:08 AM) |
The moment Miata had her hands cut off and was pierced by lance like arms crying "Mommy, Mommy" she was everything but scary. In the moment she wanted to sacrifice herself to save her "Mommy" she wasn't that scary either.
Clarice, even if she was a big mistake, was trained as Claymore. I would more call it a fluke that she was alive.
I was expecting meeting of former no.47 with present no.47 soon. Clarice wouldn't be introduced if she wasn't somewhat important. |
Yeah, those moments were not the once where she looked scary. Could a impression from just a couple of seconds overweite the impression from several weeks? If yes, than it was what has happened.
Well, thats' assuming Clare would mention her number that doesn't matter anyways. The dialoge between them would be quite funny though. Taking into account Clarice's attitude towards guards, she would most likely take the same way when talking to Claire and friends.
Kolox - February 10, 2008 11:32 AM (GMT)
Clarice will be new Raki !!!
Claire probably won't mention her number - one of her friends will "Hey, she is like Claire - number 47!!" and then Clarice will be like "OMG!! She was 47 yet she is so strong - soooo cool, like OMiGosh - Take me as your apprentice" and Claire will be like "I don't care - I wouldn't take you to even lick my shoes out of mud" with her cold attitude and then the guards will come and ask "Where is Raki" and Claire will have sudden flashback and....
...I'm going to wait a month for a new chapter just to see something I already know :D
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 11:45 AM (GMT)
.... I really can't see Clarice taking role of new Raki. Just how is she supposed to keep the human side of Clare like Raki did?
Kolox - February 10, 2008 11:53 AM (GMT)
Her role would be different than Raki's, more like apprentice of Claire, but she would still act as side-kick.
..but that won't occur in next 10 chapters for now, since Miata is still there.
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 11:56 AM (GMT)
What do you mean by side kick? The one whose ass you can kick when bored?
Well, Miata is unlikely to die soon, so Clarice won't be freed from her role of motehr also.
Elcura - February 10, 2008 12:59 PM (GMT)
I thought lolYuma was the new Raki.
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 01:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Elcura @ Feb 10 2008, 12:59 PM) |
| I thought lolYuma was the new Raki. |
Wasn't Yoma just a sacrificing matherial whose death would make other 6 very sensitive and extremely emotional, hence trigger OMGEVRYONEAROUNDDIESZOMG attack?
Elcura - February 10, 2008 01:10 PM (GMT)
Probably. But I see that being Clarice now, I didn't think it was possible to get anymore useless. lol
Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 01:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Elcura @ Feb 10 2008, 01:10 PM) |
| Probably. But I see that being Clarice now, I didn't think it was possible to get anymore useless. lol |
Well, she did surprise me by attacking Agatha (and not only me, everyone present was surprised). Although i still do not see how Clarice can comprehend in the story as a usefull being unless she dies Yoma-way or handles awakened Miata Beth-way.
So I guess you are probably right, Clarice will die beautifully later, because I honestly do not expect the other variant to be executed.
Duath - February 10, 2008 11:57 PM (GMT)
I would be seriously irritated if Clarice joined with the 7. I mean she can't suppress her Yoki, has limited pills, and generally cries/whines. In fact, the only person who should join is Galatea. Clarice and Miata should just go away.
Idelice - February 11, 2008 08:49 AM (GMT)
Cid's gonna get all hyper now that Clare is back. He was probably serious about their kiss last time.
Kolox - February 11, 2008 08:57 AM (GMT)
It's probably hard to find a virgin in that times..
Rabbit - February 11, 2008 11:38 AM (GMT)
I only know one thing about the future, now that the Magnificent Seven are back: that smackdown will be liberally applied in good measure. Although, knowing Clarice, she'll probably report everything she saw back to the Organisation. I say they kill her while they can to keep her quiet (though we all know that isn't really an option...)
MacenKrace - February 11, 2008 02:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rabbit @ Feb 11 2008, 11:38 AM) |
| I only know one thing about the future, now that the Magnificent Seven are back: that smackdown will be liberally applied in good measure. Although, knowing Clarice, she'll probably report everything she saw back to the Organisation. I say they kill her while they can to keep her quiet (though we all know that isn't really an option...) |
That's a reasonable option considering her leaking ability.
Reinard-fox - February 11, 2008 08:09 PM (GMT)
I really can't see them killing her. They have already avoided it once, they'll do so once again.
And I agree with Duath, there is no way Clarice and Miata are joining the Nothern team. They can't even hide their Yoki...
Elcura - February 11, 2008 08:36 PM (GMT)
I think there are more pressing reason for Miata and Clarice, perhaps even Galatea (they already have an eye) to not join the Resistance.
Reinard-fox - February 11, 2008 08:42 PM (GMT)
^ That's right, of course. Neither Clarice nor Miata have reasons to abandon Organisation. Yet, at least.
As for Galathea, I'm not sure. Even if they have an eye, having mroe powerful warriors is still betetr to have less. And I doubt that they won't accept her. So on the end its up to Galathea - she might not want to return to her life as a fighter, but on the contrary would like to continue to live in Labona.
Duath - February 12, 2008 02:57 AM (GMT)
They need to accept Galatea simply because she is awesome. We also know that her abilities are far beyond that of their current eye. Since Gal can conceal herself, she has reason not to join them.
As for Clarice, they may want to join simply because they probably distrust the Org now. I mean, honestly, is it really likely that the Org didn't know about Agatha?
Reinard-fox - February 12, 2008 07:01 AM (GMT)
There is no indication that Galathea is better the NOtherns Team eye besides her being awsome, so I won't assert that.
Neither Miata (lol) not Clarice seem to put much thought in what they are doing. The way they analysed the situation in last battle doesn't give me hope that this two will be able to understand what the Organisation really is about. Thus I find it hard to belive that they'll suddenly start doubting their masters.
Elcura - February 12, 2008 09:23 AM (GMT)
Yeah, the way things are going nether Clarice or Miata have a reason to distrust the org. Miata would go where ever Clarice goes, and she's far to much of a wimp to take on the org.
It would be cool if Galatea joined, but I don't see it happening. Not because I don't want to, but I predict that it'll be part of the story later on.
Reinard-fox - February 12, 2008 10:12 AM (GMT)
^ Mmmm... how would Galathea be used later then?
Idelice - February 12, 2008 03:21 PM (GMT)
Reinard-fox - February 12, 2008 03:44 PM (GMT)
^ What do you mean by that? Decipher, please.
Idelice - February 12, 2008 03:48 PM (GMT)
That was a joke...
The piņata is a brightly-colored paper container filled with sweets and/or toys. It is generally suspended on a rope from a tree branch or ceiling and is used during celebrations. A succession of blindfolded, stick-wielding children try to break the piņata in order to collect the sweets and/or toys inside of it.
Galatea may be captured/coerced/volunteer/insert-word-here by Riful as she needs someone who can read yoki masterfully. That is my speculation... I could be wrong.
Reinard-fox - February 12, 2008 04:55 PM (GMT)
^ Something like that?

I agree, Riful would be awesome in Kana's role.
Elcura - February 12, 2008 05:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Idelice @ Feb 12 2008, 03:48 PM) |
| Galatea may be captured/coerced/volunteer/insert-word-here by Riful as she needs someone who can read yoki masterfully. That is my speculation... I could be wrong. |
That's pretty much what I was thinking.
And Reinard's picture is pretty much what will happen /gg (that was a great episode)
Reinard-fox - February 12, 2008 05:32 PM (GMT)
This may happen of course, but I'm not sure if Riful herself is no enough of a Yoki sensing master. She is number one, after all.
Duath - February 13, 2008 12:33 AM (GMT)
It would be very interesting if Galatea went to Riful. That way we can see what her secret weapon is
Idelice - February 13, 2008 12:41 AM (GMT)
(>*A*)> teru teru bozu~
<(*A*<) teru teru bozu~
(>*A*)> teru teru bozu~
@Reinard
Riful was searching for someone who has good at perceiving yoki... she told Clare that.
Rabbit - February 13, 2008 01:36 AM (GMT)
As a former Number One and an Abyssal One, Riful is probaby good in practically every aspect of utilising her yoma powers. On the other hand, as we saw with Teresa, it is quite possible to specialise in one aspect to the exclusion of all else and achieve a level in that specific aspect beyond what the #1 can do. Galatea's ability to sense yoki is probably much more specialised and acute than Riful's is, and she certainly can't align her yoki with another enough to manipulate it, which was really the point. Even if someone showed no such proficiency before, as long as they specialise in sensing yoki, Riful believes they can be trained to manipulate it and that's her ultimate objective.
Reinard-fox - February 27, 2008 05:39 PM (GMT)
True, I agree with both of you.
I wonder what was Riful going to achieve after getting such a warrior? I doubt that her goal is as trivial as to just get an eye, maybe she wants her to participate in awakening other people - just like Galathea and Clare managed to stop others from awakening, the warrior who specializes on Yoki manipulation may be able to make others awaken and thus valuable material would not be lost like it is now, for many prefer to die rather then awaken.
Zangi - February 27, 2008 06:19 PM (GMT)
Now that this is mentioned.. what happened to her boyfriend?
Well, it seems that it is more likely for Riful to look for an ally just as strong, if not stronger then her. She seemed pretty pissed when she found out that she had no chance against Priscilla alone... and with Duph(?)
The other abysmal one, I forgot her name was killed. Once she sensed Priscilla's yoki... she knew Isley won, with the other abysmal one dead...
What good are minions, when they would last only 10 seconds or get in the way?
Reinard-fox - February 27, 2008 06:38 PM (GMT)
There is no indication that Duff has passed away.
Of course she is looking for strong people, I never denied that. However, if strong people resist their awakening and prefer to die, what good will it do for Riful? It's just wasting excellent rare material. Thus, she need a mechanism that'll allow her awaken those she desires without risking their lives. Hence, Galathea-like people are needed.
Kolox - February 27, 2008 07:06 PM (GMT)
Duph is strong - I wonder how the fight would go if Duph was really trying to kill them back then (Galatea, Claire and Jeann) since he was asked by Riful to just trash them.
Reinard-fox - February 27, 2008 07:08 PM (GMT)
Well, there is no way to tell that. Jeane was already trashed pretty badly before the fight and Galathea held back most of time for womanly reasons. So who knows.