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Title: Differences between Yoma and Claymore and AB


Kolox - January 28, 2008 08:48 AM (GMT)
Yoma - a predator, a clever creature with ability to change his physique, comes in great variety - big, small, winged, with prolonged arms and legs.

Claymore - using partially the power of yoma but still remaining humans, trained warriors to fight the yoma.

Awakened beings - Claymore's which released they yoki to the extend they transformed into something else.

Those are the facts which should be know to everyone. So here are the questions

a) Does human part in Claymore organism is actually helping Claymore be strong, what is the role of it ? Seeing that most of the claymores are stronger than average yoma, there must be huge difference created just because they are partially humans

B) So what Awakened Being really is - it was said that it's when yoma takes control over claymore, but we have seen that almost every Awakwened being not only don't look like any other yoma, it also has far more varieties of attacks than them.

c) Is there any extend of power Yoma can use - is being yoma a restriction already ? That they have some maximum and can't get over it unless ..hmm, they become human ?

Duath - February 10, 2008 05:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kolox @ Jan 28 2008, 08:48 AM)
Yoma - a predator, a clever creature with ability to change his physique, comes in great variety - big, small, winged, with prolonged arms and legs.

Claymore - using partially the power of yoma but still remaining humans, trained warriors to fight the yoma.

Awakened beings - Claymore's which released they yoki to the extend they transformed into something else.

Those are the facts which should be know to everyone. So here are the questions

a) Does human part in Claymore organism is actually helping Claymore be strong, what is the role of it ? Seeing that most of the claymores are stronger than average yoma, there must be huge difference created just because they are partially humans

B) So what Awakened Being really is - it was said that it's when yoma takes control over claymore, but we have seen that almost every Awakwened being not only don't look like any other yoma, it also has far more varieties of attacks than them.

c) Is there any extend of power Yoma can use - is being yoma a restriction already ? That they have some maximum and can't get over it unless ..hmm, they become human ?

A.) I think the human part allows Claymores to use the Yoki energy in more creative ways, as well as amplify their own bodies in more extreme measures.

B.) The primal desires of Yoma take over when Claymore's awaken, so they lose sense of righteousness and the like.

C.) Yoma seem to become more powerful as they eat, and age. When the concept of Voracious Eaters were introduced, and then changed to Awakened Beings, I wondered if there were such things as Voracious Eaters, or unusually powerful Yoma. The liklihood is high, I think.

But this discussion, to me, brings up another question. What makes a powerful Claymore? Is it the quality of the human, or the quality of the Yoma?

I would be inclined to believe the former, as it is far easier to find powerful Yoma, than it is to find talented humans.

Reinard-fox - February 10, 2008 09:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Duath @ Feb 10 2008, 05:10 AM)
B.) The primal desires of Yoma take over when Claymore's awaken, so they lose sense of righteousness and the like.

C.) Yoma seem to become more powerful as they eat, and age. When the concept of Voracious Eaters were introduced, and then changed to Awakened Beings, I wondered if there were such things as Voracious Eaters, or unusually powerful Yoma. The liklihood is high, I think.

I wonder what do you men by the sense of righteousness - some, like Ophelia, have none to begin with. But you are right, awakening releases Yoma's instincs - hunger and the soul of predator. Humans being the food, of course.

Yoma differ in terms of strength, of course. So the concept of Voracious Eaters may still be usd to name the most powerful of Yoma, like the one Clare met in Rabona.

Kolox - February 10, 2008 10:15 AM (GMT)
Ever seen the movie "Rambo" - I loved the last scene were they sent the general of Rambo division and Rambo cried and yelled "I just wanted to eat !!" - the point that they didn't let him get inside the city because he was soldier from Vietnam war without a job - and he was hungry.

Yoma in some sense are righteous from their perspective - they just want to eat and seems humans guts are the best for them :D

...well, not my point :D

Yoma are stronger if they are older - the older the yoma is, the stronger it is. Claire was fighting a little older yoma.

...it's hard to say how long yoma live or how strong would be 50 years old yoma, when we have no.1 or no.2 kiling 100 of them in 5 seconds :D

Kolox - March 6, 2008 09:08 PM (GMT)
My new theory !! Yoma are Claymore's :D

Yoma were created by organization while trying to create superhuman race of immortal and never ageing creatures. But their yoki manipulation was too weak since they hadn't got enough of human mind and imagination.

So the present 'claymore's' were created, but most likely the process of making a yoma and claymore is identical to some extend. Yet they were also failures since they reverted back to what their previous one were - senseless monsters (yoma).

The cirlcle will repeat itself the moment organization will create a new species which will hunt present claymores as they are "threat to humanity".

Zangi - March 6, 2008 09:16 PM (GMT)
The question comes to mind.... where do youma come from? You think the organization could have churned that many out before stopping the threat? Or are they still doing it secretly? In a way even the youma themselves don't know....

Do they breed? Never seen a female youma.... Maybe they are asexual like frogs...

EDIT: Actually, maybe that one from the 1st or 2nd episode... The youma hiding out as a Claymore...

Though, I'd more likely expect that it was still a male/asexual youma... just then reverting from a female form... maybe...

Bluedragon77 - April 3, 2008 05:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kolox @ Jan 28 2008, 08:48 AM)
Yoma - a predator, a clever creature with ability to change his physique, comes in great variety - big, small, winged, with prolonged arms and legs.

Claymore - using partially the power of yoma but still remaining humans, trained warriors to fight the yoma.

Awakened beings - Claymore's which released they yoki to the extend they transformed into something else.

Those are the facts which should be know to everyone. So here are the questions

a) Does human part in Claymore organism is actually helping Claymore be strong, what is the role of it ? Seeing that most of the claymores are stronger than average yoma, there must be huge difference created just because they are partially humans

B) So what Awakened Being really is - it was said that it's when yoma takes control over claymore, but we have seen that almost every Awakwened being not only don't look like any other yoma, it also has far more varieties of attacks than them.

c) Is there any extend of power Yoma can use - is being yoma a restriction already ? That they have some maximum and can't get over it unless ..hmm, they become human ?

a) Isn't it obvious in the anime/manga world half-breeds are always end up stronger than the average original breed.

This is a but a theory but...

I think the reasoning behind the superior abilities in a Claymore lies in thier 'balance' between human and yoma. The 'yoma' half of the Claymore's grants them the superior physical abilities which seems to elude a lot of yomas. And the human half of the claymores only 'control' the yoma half. So I think yomas are not able to perform such amazing things claymores can do is because of their animalisitc behaviour. When it comes down to it, yomas are just advanced predatorial animals. They only do what they do to feed. Nothing else. So yomas don't really need to go out of their way to 'get' their necessary food since they seem to already have a simple method of attaining it. I'm assuming as they get older they begin to find other more effective methods of attaining their 'food'.

I'm guessing the 'human' half of the claymore is necessary for the mental 'regulation' it performs on the animalistic mind set of the yoma. Humans are special in the fact that they are capable of 'higher' mental limits than that of a basic animal. Humans specialty which sets them apart from normal animals, and which sets them above most animals in the food chain is their ability to think. This mental ability of higher thinking is what is able to reign in and control the yoma half of the claymore's body.

So with both the human mind as a 'harness/regulator' over the superior physical abilities of a Human, a superior race of warriors can be produced.

B) I'm guessing the yoki/yoma-part of the body is changing in accordance to the will of the 'human' half of the body. As the yoma half gain control the human mind is still regulating and governing how the body uses the yoki. So from this I'm guessing Claymore's are different because of their characteristics and personality. Since each individual is unique and different, their AB forms will reflect that.

c) I don't think yomas are restricted to just their normal forms and abilities. If they can get over their own animalistic urges, than I believe it is possible for them to obtain a very 'high' level of power. This is only if and only if they are able to conrtol that urge to act as an animal.

Zyel - April 14, 2008 09:17 AM (GMT)
I say that yoma already have a limitation. They have been preying on humans for quite a while and they developed human counter abilities. Since a Claymore is a yoma with a human head she is able to control her powers better than a yoma.

The true question remains what AB's are. I believe they are extended capabilities to counter both humans and yoma, but thank to her human "remains" it is stronger than a regular yoma.




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