I thought it was brilliant - the entire thing. Although there was one thing a questioned; aren't all of the unforgiveable curses impossible to block? But actually I think I just found... ah, yeah, it makes sense now. Sorry, I'm being vague but I don't want to give anything away so yes... perhaps I should spoiler warn this thread?

Anyway, I thought it was the best of the series so far (although I bet the seventh will be better)and I just wanted to know what other people thought, or think, or it so far :)

OMFG!! I'm so heartbroken! I can't even decide if I liked the book because of what happened. I'm sure I will soon, I'm just in shock still. Personally, I'm a little upset with JKR for doing that to us! Here are some of the thoughts I've had:

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1. What if Snape was supposed to kill Dumbledore and it was all part of the "plan?" So that Snape could still be in Voldemort's inner circle and seem trustworthy while slipping The Order important information about Voldemort's remaining Horcruxes...hmm...maybe? That would certainly throw everybody off and JKR would have a hayday confusing us all! Or maybe part of me just wants Snape to not really be a true Death Eater...

2. Do you think Snape and/or Malfoy will be punished for Malfoy not being the one to kill Dumbledore? I mean, none of the other Death Eaters would do it (with the exception of the werewolf). They all said that Malfoy had to be the one to do it--Voldemort may be a little angry that his plan wasn't followed through in the way he wanted...

3. On other forums, people have been speculating that Harry is one of Voldemort's horcruxes. I think that's really interesting and would make for a nice ending with lots of torment and what not, but I don't know how it could work because why would Voldemort make Harry a horcrux if he was trying to kill him? He'd be destroying his own horcrux...right?

4. Who do you think R.A.B. is? I was thinking Sirius' brother Regulus Black...but there could be many others. Maybe it's Bones...you know Madam Bones. I don't know her first name though...anyways yeah, what do you guys think?

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1. I think that could be a possibility, but if that's what Dumbledore intended I don't think it worked out very well. The Order is not going to trust him oe bit after hearing Harry's side of it. Snape really does look guilty; I can't forget that look of rage JK described him as having when he killed Dumbledore. And the pleading... that really makes me think that Snape was not following orders.

2. I hadn't actually thought much about that. He may punish Malfoy for not being able to kill Dumbledore, but I don't think he'd kill him because he got the Death Eaters into the castle which I don't think anyone has ever been able to do before. I feel a little bit bad for Malfoy. He obviously had no idea what he was doing when he joined, and when he talked to Dumbledore I got the impression that he was a little bit more afraid for his family than for himself. I still don't like him much, but now I feel like it's just the way he was brought up. Plus, if he was so much like his father, he would have been able to kill Dumbledore.

3. That would be really interesting and be very hard for Harry. How would he kill the horucrux inside him without killing himself? Maybe, if people are right in thinking that Harry is a descendant of Gryffindor, Voldemort did finally find something of Gryffindors. Am I right in thinking that Dumbledore said he believed that Voldemort was going to use Harry's death to make his final Horucrux?

4. I thought it was Sirius's brother too! But now I'm not sure, because Sirius described Regulus as a coward who got in too deep and then tried to back out. I don't know if he would have even thought about the Horucruxes. Would Voldemort have told his followers about them? I remember from the fourth book when Voldemort is greeting back his followers he says (I'm actually going to quote it because I don't remember it well enough) "They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death" (p 562)
So I guess that makes me think they do know. Although, if they did, Snape could have used a better excuse for not killing Harry; He didn't want to jepordize his master's return by distroying a Horucrux.
But then didn't Slughorn say that there had to be a death to make a Horucrux? And well, I'm sure Voldemort could have used either Lily or James's lives, I would hope that the protection Harry's mother had given him would also protect him from having to bear a piece of Voldemort's soul. (Ah, sorry, that kind of ran back into my opinion about number 3)
There is a theory that it may be Burke (from Borgin and Burke's) who is R.A.B, he probably knew Voldemort a little better than others since Tom Riddle was his apprentice. I also think that he probably knows how to destroy a Horucrux given his line of work in dark artifacts. That would also answer my ongoing curiousity of 'Okay, there's Borgin -- but where's Burke?'
It may have been a Bones, but I don't think it was Amelia Bones. It would make sense if Amelia Bones was named after a grandmother or mother or something with the middle name as Amelia and that would give the grandmother or mother the innitials A.B and all we need now if is the R.



I was very upset when Dumbledore died - I thought he was safe until the seventh book, but after reading a few things here and there I think it had to be done. It's one of those Hero-Mentor things in which the Mentor must die so that the Hero can reach his full potential. Now that Harry doesn't have Dumbledore to rely on, he's completely set on finding the Horucruxes which otherwise I think he would have left to Dumbledore.
It's going to be hard to re-read the books I think, now that I know how he dies.

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I'm starting to think that Harry couldn't be a Horcrux because I understood it to be Harry's death that Voldemort would make his seventh Horcrux from, and he didn't succeed in killing Harry. Also, In SS, Voldemort tells Quirrell to kill Harry, and in CoS, Tom Riddle tells the Basilisk to kill Harry, and I don't really think that Voldemort would want to make a Horcrux out of something he wanted to destroy...

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Oh yeah, that totally makes sense since Voldemort was so mad a Lucious for getting the diary destroyed. I don't know if Tom Riddle kew about the Horcruxes, but he was one so maybe he did. And then there's that whole, he thought he was going to get the Philosopher's stone and therefore the Elixir of life so Harry wasn't really essential as a Horucrux anyway.
But I don't like that theory hehe.

What do you think will happen with Ginny? They were so good together!! I hope she'll be in the next book.

I'm kind of worried that Harry's not going back to Hogwarts... I mean Snape kicked his ass and I'm betting he's nothing in comparison to Voldemort. Harry still has a lot more Magic to learn.
And yeah, I'm so frustrated that Voldemort - if he ends up killing Harry - will feel superior and all-mighty just because he killed a 17 year-old and what is he? Like 70 or 80 something? Guh, it makes me so mad!

I'm also kind of disappointed that Lily's huge secret wasn't revealed in this book. And there wasn't anything about Harry's grandparents. But maybe that'll be revealed when they go to Godric's Hallow. I can't wait for that part! It's going to be SO good! I've wanted to see Godric's Hollow forever.

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Voldemort definitely was upset with Lucius for getting the diary destroyed. I'm sure Lucius is glad to be locked in Azkaban safely out of Voldemort's reach. And I guess even if Harry is a Horcrux, and Voldemort still had one left besides Harry, then he'd probably risk destroying Harry and just make a new one from his death. The only problem is, if Harry is a Horcrux, he will have to destroy himself to destroy Voldemort which will make me very very angry.

I think that Ginny and Harry will remain strong, but not exactly act on their feelings. They'll just be good friends while still knowing they like each other and they'll probably go through the climax together and fight Voldemort together, and then when it's over they'll feel like they can be together. I must say, I like Ginny alot, she and Harry are good together.

I'm also worried that Harry won't go to Hogwarts in the next book. I really really hope he does, but I have a horrible feeling that he'll be out and about searching for and destroying Voldemort's four remaining Horcruxes. Maybe he'll have to stop by the school every now and then to talk to McGonagall and stuff...

In the next book I really want to hear more about Grawp and how Hagrid "tamed" him. I think he'll be an asset to Harry later on. I really really really hope that somehow Sirius will come back, even if it's not permanent, to help Harry out.

Also, how come I don't really know what Godric's Hallow is? I mean, it sounds really familiar, but I can't think of what or where it is...

Ok, I just finished the book last night and I have a few things to say:
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1. WHY did DUMBLEDORE have to DIE?!?!?!?!?!?!? I can see where the mentor/student thing with the mentor out of the way the student can kill his mortal enemy thing kinda like Star Wars! *Trust me all year I had a Wrld Hist. teacher who taught us the history of Star Wars as part of class!* Anyways....

2. I win the bet between me and my friends about Ginny/Harry hooking up! Alli aka 4everElijah was in on that bet with me and she also won, but I really want to see them get back together in the 7th book and defeate Voldermort together and I really want to see Hermione/Ron get together!!!!!! WHO IS WITH ME ON THAT????

3. the Horcruxes are really confusing yet so smart to me. I think Harry has to track down the Horuxes to find Voldermort and it would be just too weird if he was the seventh Horcuxes *harry I mean*

4. I have no clue who R.A.B. is but I have a feeling it might be someone form Borgin and Burkes or a Black family member.

5. I am a little worried too about Harry, Hermione, and Ron not going back to Hogwarts in the next book but think it will be even more exciting if they don't because you will get to see more of the Wizarding World realms and etc. but will miss the Hogwarts castle itself and everything with it!

So there was my venting and I think it was one of the best books yet and I did cry over Dumbledore and I can't wait for the 7th book and LONG LIVE SIRIUS!!! HE WILL COME BACK!! *at least I want him too!*

Heh heh, have you noticed only k/cat's have replied to this thread? Cat, Kat, and Kit-Kat...oh i'm so very observant. Anyways, you all liked the book right? Because I've been reading some very strongly worded blogs in which people are saying they 100% hated it. Hmm...they did have a few good points though

I loved it!!! It was the best yet!! and I have noticed that too! See my nickname is Kat or Kit-Kat so yeah I thought that was cool and interesting.

~Kit-kat~

Godric's Hallow is the place where James and Lily were in hiding on the night Voldemort came and yeah... it's where it all began basically.

Yeah, I'd like them to get back together again after Voldemort is defeated and everything. I don't know if she'll be a part of 'The Final Showdown', I think it's a cool idea, but I just get the feeling that Harry has to do it alone.

I thought Grawp became more tame after Hagrid moved him to that cave that Dumbledore found. I think I'd be pretty vicious too if I was tied down and forced to stay in a forest clearing all the time. I think the whole taming process was just Grawp adapting to his new life. But I like Grawp, I wouldn't mind seeing a little more of him. His interaction with Hermione was funny.

That definitely makes me nervous. But, I'm not sure that Harry can learn anything more that will be extremely crucial in his fight against Voldemort. Perhaps he'll learn more by searching for the horucruxes and destroying them.
I hope Hogwarts stays open at least; how are the younger generations supposed to learn magic without Hogwarts?

I'd love it if Sirius came back, but the way JKR has been talking in interviews and stuff... she definitely gives me the impression that he is not coming back :(

...Also... I wouldn't have minded if there'd been a bit more about James in this book.

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Hey Guys (all you cats)

I was STUNNED when Dumbledore bit it. I was sure it was a joke - like when they went to see his body on the ground, he would be alright.

As for Harry and Ginny - I really like Ginny and I really hope that they can be happy together in the future (as long as neither of them dies). I've been rooting for Ron and Hermione for awhile now, and I'd really like to see them declare their undying love for each other :blush: - though the scene where Ron strokes Hermione's hair while she is crying after DD's funeral pretty much sums that up I think.:hug:

I am really anxious to read the last book - I think I will be CRUSHED if Harry is a horcrux (I don't really think he is) and/or he ends up dead somehow. My roomate is convinced that Hermione is going to die, buuuuttt....I don't know, we'll see.

Oooh...and I am very interested in learning more about Harry's eyes and his Aunt Petunia.

Anywho, I really liked the book! It was great, and I respect the fact that JKR takes chances with her writing and doesn't just write what she thinks/knows the public wants. Also, I think it is great that she deals with difficult issues in 'kids' books.

Anyway...good luck Harry in the fight!! :duel:

Harry got really annoying in the fifth book, so this was quite refreshing.

I almost didn't want him and Ginny to get together, just because there are so many fanfics about that that it seems incredibly fake.

I thought it was funny that snog was perhaps one of the most frequently-used words.

I liked the lessons that Harry had with Dumbledore. It was a nice way to get in necessary information without Harry just having to dream it all the time.

And I liked Grawp as well, even though he barely showed up at all. And I'm also curious about Aunt Petunia.

I know this is a totally late response and everything, but ... oh well. ^_^

Everyone's pretty much touched on everything of value, right? I can definitely see either Ron or Hermione dying at the end and them professing their undying love to each other finally.

As for the initials: R.A.B....

Does anyone else remember for the fifth, when they were cleaning out Number 12, they found a locket that wouldn't open. I think... right? I'm 95.6% sure, alright? And, if so, there's nothing anyone can say to dissuade me from RAB=Regulus A Black.

I think that Dumbledore and Snape had discussed his UNBREAKABLE VOW and Dumbledore had instructed him to go through with it, because hey. What's the use in both of them being dead, right? Because, if you break a UV, you die. So Dumbledore sacrificed himself.

That totally sucked, though. Dumbledore went through all that and drank that CRAP and started the zombie!attack, all for a lousy note. -_- Talk about dramatic irony.

No Harry Potter response is ever too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My friend also was pretty sure, I think something like 92.7% sure that they found a locket that wouldn't open. And she found out this other thing; that in the portugese book or something, the initials for Regulus Black were the same as the initials on the note in the fake locket therefore signalling that R.A.B is indeed Regulus!!
Plus, it's so much more fun thinking it's Regulus then some random character. And if I was Harry I would die, I'd be like 'I HAD A HORUCRUX!!! Now I have to FIND it! AGAIN!! For the third time!!!!!!!!! *dies*'

And as for the Snape thing -_- Snape makes me angry (James = LOVE), but I agree that Dumbledore probably ordered him to go through with the vow and that's why Snape and him were arguing and that's also why Dumbledore pleaded with him at the end. I still hate Snape though. :kaboom:

I think James and Sirius should be magically re-incarnated in the seventh book. But as seventeen year olds. Buahahaha. :D

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I'm 100% sure that they found a heavy locket that none of them could open...I went back and read it! That absolutely has to be the horcrux! I bet Harry has to pry it from Kreacher's nasty old hands. I am dying with anxiety for the 7th book! As for Snape and Dumbledore, I also think Dumbledore made Snape do it, and Dumbledore was pleading with him to actually go through with it. Even though it's horrible he died, I think it makes Snape a stronger spy for the Order of the Phoenix because Voldemort thinks he's really on his side and will let him in on more secret stuff.

I'm dying with anxiety too!!! I NEED IT!!
It would make Snape a stronger spy -- except no one believes he's on the Order's side anymore. He fooled everyone too well. And Harry's psycho with anger towards him.
Guh, the seventh book is going to be soooo good. It'll definitely be the best. It has to be, there's so many things she has to tie up!!! I can't wait!!!

But outside of fiction. :yes:

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Gary Oldman, who played the part of Sirius Black in the third and fourth Harry Potter movies, has not yet been asked by Warner Brothers to reprise the role of Harry's godfather in Order of the Phoenix. According to Douglas Urbanski of the Douglas Management Group (who represents Oldman), WB has had little desire since the beginning for the actor to return in OOTP, even though Oldman requests small payment. As a result, Urbanski has stated that unless WB offers him the role by next week, Oldman won't consider returning as Black. We'll let you know what WB has to say.

Source: MuggleNet.

What is WB doing? Honestly. They gave us Gary Oldman, it's too late to change it. I mean what they should have done is had Joseph Fiennes and Ewan McGregor as Sirius and Remus, but now they've messed it up, and now they're going to mess it up again.
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Gary Oldman's long-time manager Doug Urbanski sealed the deal this morning with Harry Potter producer David Heyman: the actor will reprise the role of Sirius Black in the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix movie.

"I'm so relieved and happy," said Urbanski. "I can't put my mind in the place of the producers, but I would've thought that when they read the book, a call to us would've been very high on their list. Obviously, the character of Sirius Black is key."

Oldman's manager mentioned Oldman had been offered several different film roles in the time it took Warner Bros. to make a decision on the part of Harry's godfather.

Both Gary and manager are delighted with the highly anticipated outcome: "It's a wonderful role. Gary read the script last night, and he read part of it to me on the phone this morning. The end of the story is: Gary's in it. It's a terrific script, and he's so happy to be back."

Source: Mugglenet.com

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although my favourite HP book was the goblet of fire, I do lurve the half blood prince! Shame Dumby dies though. *Cries* Hate Snape (though Alan Rickman plays a good part)

I think what I like about the Harry Potter books, besides the characters and humour and magic and all is the absolute scariness of there being someone out there who wants to exterminate you. Just imagine having the knowledge that some freak out there and a bunch of his buddies are continually trying to murder you. :cry: How would you even function normally? Harry is unbelievably strong emotionally. I would be freaking out!

Lol, indeed. He puts those people with the tinfoil hats screaming the aliens are coming to get us to absolute shame.
Buah: The Order of the Phoenix will be released in July 17, 2007! 10 days after the seventh book comes out... or at least that's what I think! Not that she's actually announced the release date, but still. I think July 7 would be a good time... that or like October of this year!!!!!!!!