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Title: Bush versus Kerry
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Laila - March 24, 2004 01:52 PM (GMT)
Has nyone anything to say about this?
How fair are the means, what tricks are used and what are your hopes...?

elfardown - March 26, 2004 09:54 AM (GMT)
I'm hoping it will be Kerry but very affraid it will be Bush ....

Laila - March 26, 2004 02:31 PM (GMT)
Hmm....
That would be really bad... for the world and america... really

Elijahfan14 - April 3, 2004 11:35 PM (GMT)
I REALLY hope it's Kerry. I can't stand Bush and that's a pretty harsh thing to say about my own president, but it's true. He's ruined so much! Someone else needs to get in office.
Thank the Lord I can vote.
~Stacy~

Chapstick - April 4, 2004 08:13 PM (GMT)
I actually support Bush practically all the way.

he just needs to learn how to pronounce nuclear.

but seriously, 3/4 of the americans criticizing him also say, "nuke-yoo-ler"

vanilla peaches - April 4, 2004 08:22 PM (GMT)
*claps for SMLLDTB*

I agree... how can you say that Bush ruined everything...

when the country has a hard time then it must be the president's fault..

and honestly Kerry scares me more than Bush because he can't seem to be able to make up his mind on anything except that Bush has done a bad job... therefore.. if he does the opposite of what Bush does.. then it will make the country perfect...

tell me... how much sense does that idea make?

sandra - April 6, 2004 01:16 PM (GMT)
Can someone please give an outline about this Kerry character?

Chapstick - April 6, 2004 03:20 PM (GMT)
Well, according to the New York Times (and we know they're always right lol) he's claiming Catholicism but is pro-choice and other things that the Catholics teach is bad. So who knows?


Either way, most Catholics are democrats and one of the democratic platforms is being pro-choice, so that doesn't make much sense either.

And that didn't help at all.

All I really know about him is that he's very indecisive.

sandra - April 6, 2004 05:04 PM (GMT)
Hmm...Catholicism, or continuing the war on Iraq... Geez, this world is gonna come crashing down no matter who runs the country.

Laila - April 6, 2004 06:52 PM (GMT)
Well i get the feeling that many are like "anybody but bush" what is in my opinion quite a good goal but then again - who knows...
I like being european... especially now that we don't follow every american dictate...

sandra - April 6, 2004 07:14 PM (GMT)
Well, basically everyone in the world is affected by the actions of the united states. They are the leading country in this world as far as I know...so if bush goes, we feel it, good or bad, if that other guy comes in, we're gonna feel it. I live in Canada, so the results of everything the U.S. does are seen throughout our country. The only difference is, we see what is actually going on in the U.S, while it's own citizens don't even get half of the information other countries do....

Pirate Puppet - April 8, 2004 12:07 AM (GMT)

Okay I need to give my 50 cents..

I belive Kerry is going to win, and Bush is thrown to the trash he won't win (after Irak and all the stupidities he had done...) besides we have the perfect example of the 'fall of the capitalist empire' with the victory of Zapatero in Spain, finally Aznar is out (but Spain is not taking away the troops from irak, thing that wll mean more terrorist acts in Spain according to a communication sent by Al-Quaeda in Spain). but it means something, finally people opened up their eyes (even when the pressure of the terrorist acts helped Zapatero to win) to the monopoly they are playing with our countries (Colombia is one, Uribe our president is part of the homophobic gang (Bush, Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi) that I wish to dissapear.

As a volunteer of the ONU in Colombia since two years I think and I have the knowledge of the harm and hurt several people have had by the stupid actions of Bush, Kerry is promising things that are possible in his own perspective, are not idealistic but not fatalist, he is in the right place, he knows what he's got to win and what he has to do, 1 point in favour of Mr Kerry. People likes him, he is in contact with them and I'm sure he won't give to the Irak troops a 'plastic turkey' to celebrate the Thanksgiving day, he is doing something Bush didn't do: he is earning people by his personal skills and not because false promises, I like that. But there something against it, he could be treasoned easily if he doesn't sees where (and in whom) he puts his trust. besides Kerry grew up between real people and not high society as Bush, another point inf avour, he knows the necessities of the American people, because he suffered it somehow (not that he grew up in a farm, he was more in contact with the popular and not like Bush...)

Personally I think Kerry has the talent to do it, but I just hope he doesn't start walking the path Bush had chosen, because once Bush looked like Kerry, the salvation and the hero of a land and look how he ended...

elfardown - April 8, 2004 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sandra @ Apr 6 2004, 09:14 PM)
The only difference is, we see what is actually going on in the U.S, while it's own citizens don't even get half of the information other countries do....

Yesssssssssss that is sooo true.

And don't go saying it ain't so 'cause I know it first handed. I'm a journalism student and am in contact with the Belgian permanent correspondent in NY. Normally I was going to join him there for a couple of months but that didn't work. In preperation of my being there we talked about the american media and the info they supply or basically the info they don't suply. He told me to first listen to the European news and then to the US news. I'm not saying what they show is wrong... they just don't show everything.


and yes, I don't know if Kerry is the right guy, but (and I'm not going to speak for all Europeans just the ones I know) I know a lot of people here in Europe are thinking: anybody but Bush!!


(man this would be an awesome subject for my boyfriend)

Elijahisawesome - April 12, 2004 04:02 PM (GMT)
I don't really know who will be President but I am hoping that Bush will get reelected. Changing the power from Bush to Kerry will affect our soldiers in Iraq. Kerry has promised to raise taxes. The other nations who would possibly attack the U.S. are afraid of Bush after what he did to Saddam Hussein and are more reluctant to attack us because of it.

I will add to this later

Sarah

Pirate Puppet - April 17, 2004 02:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Elijahisawesome @ Apr 12 2004, 05:02 PM)
I don't really know who will be President but I am hoping that Bush will get reelected. Changing the power from Bush to Kerry will affect our soldiers in Iraq. Kerry has promised to raise taxes. The other nations who would possibly attack the U.S. are afraid of Bush after what he did to Saddam Hussein and are more reluctant to attack us because of it.

I will add to this later

Sarah

Well I do not agree with you in that point.

I mean.. Bush attacked Iraq with no REAL proof of the MDW (masive desteruction weapons) and look howe it is now, full of war and it didn't fix any problem, he is taking aay the oil from the country and ptractically we're back to the colonialism times, just with another name: imprialism, no need to be there to control, just take your phone and make a cal to destroy.

I think they should JUST GIVE ORIENTATION to the country of how to manage itself, but not control it by force, besides... I still asK:

where are the goddam weapons! they were the justification for the war and I do not see them anywhere... he is wrong.

But this doesn't mean I'm totally agree with Kerry...


Chapstick - April 28, 2004 08:51 PM (GMT)
It's not all Bush's fault.

The FBI gets information and the CIA gets information, and they're both stupid and competitive and won't share stuff with each other. That's one of the reasons that 9/11 happened.



For the few Bush supporters, here's a bit of a joke:

Q: Why did John Kerry cross the road.
A: Doesn't matter. He's already crossed back over.

Pirate Puppet - April 29, 2004 10:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chapstick @ Apr 28 2004, 09:51 PM)
It's not all Bush's fault.

The FBI gets information and the CIA gets information, and they're both stupid and competitive and won't share stuff with each other. That's one of the reasons that 9/11 happened.



For the few Bush supporters, here's a bit of a joke:

Q: Why did John Kerry cross the road.
A: Doesn't matter. He's already crossed back over.

LOL!

Welll.. I wasn't tsalking about 9/11 I am talking about war on Iraq...

But well... you in your country me in mine.. things look better and different from outside... I used to be a Bush supporter... But when I came here and saw it all...

:shithappens:

Chapstick - May 2, 2004 03:33 AM (GMT)
well, the thing on 9/11 was more just a general statement.

it's hard to say anything and not have it appear to be directed at the last poster.



Iraq has lasted a year and won't last much more. Vietnam lasted more than ten years.

Where's the comparison?

Pirate Puppet - May 2, 2004 04:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chapstick @ May 2 2004, 04:33 AM)
well, the thing on 9/11 was more just a general statement.

it's hard to say anything and not have it appear to be directed at the last poster.



Iraq has lasted a year and won't last much more. Vietnam lasted more than ten years.

Where's the comparison?

Well even if people don't see it Iraq is still in war, even qwhen the US and UK don't shoqw it.

QWhat do you ay about the attacks to the US army there? people is still dying. And I'm not in the side of Iraq, God knows so many bad people is hiding there. All I say is that UK and US should be moe careful with the statements they make, prove that are true before going shooting bullets to everyone who is on their way.. besides there is another interest:

OIL

Caution_flammable - May 3, 2004 08:25 PM (GMT)
Alright, I'm going to put my thought in and do it in an understandable manner, considering when I talk politics I tend to rush and in no order.

First off I would like to say I support President Bush in every way (even though some things he's done I haven't supported in the beginning.). I do not want Kerry as president for many reasons (just to let you know most of this information is from my father, who at times can be biased, considering I wasn't born when some of this happened). John Kerry hasn't really given any good reasons or ideas of why he should be president. All I've heard from him is that Bush is wrong, blah blah blah, I was a war hero in Vietnam. Well, when Kerry got back from the war he recieved the Silver Star, I think that's what it's called, and it's the highest recognition you can get, but he thought the reason the war happened was unjust. So one day he goes over infront of the White House, turns his back on it, and throws all of his medals on the lawn. So how do I know if he'll turn his back on the country again? And now he tries to say what a hero he was, I may be able to forgive, but I will never forget. Now I really don't know who he's for, but he had former pres Carter with him! Pfft, Carter was the worst president we've ever had!
And Kerry wants to raise taxes!

Ok, now back to Bush. Although sometimes he may seem to have no common sense, I think he's a great president. He's the only one whose promised tarriffs on imported steel and actually kept his word. And to clarify, I believe 9-11 was NOT his fault. There are many things the Clinton admin. could have done to prevent it; plus Bush was just getting into office, how could he have possibly prevented it? He went over to Iraq with misleading reasons, but I think it's right for him to try and prevent terrorism, although Iraq needs to be looked after now, I'm okay with it. I know the economy has gotten worse, but I don't know much about how that works, although the economy started getting bad at the end of Clinton's term.

I'm not finished, but I have to leave now, so I'll put more up when I get back

et-spiritus-sancti - May 20, 2004 07:35 PM (GMT)
This is kind of an older topic, but something I'm passionate about, so I'll add what I have. Mm, this is one of my weaker arguments though, I guess I'm not in the mood.

First, if I could vote, it would be for Bush. The basic priciples and morals and of course the way he's trying to steer the country have been to my satisfaction. He's open about his religion, which some ppl like and others don't...I like it because it lets me know what kind of guy is behind the wheel. He hasn't been perfect, but then, nobody is, and the dems attack him for anything that can be made to look bad and present it as the truth. He acted rationally in the face of the most horrific attack against America.

Kerry...oh, boy. I'm gonna go for the classic attacks: he flip-flops on decisions, hasn't told us anything about how he's actually gonna direct our country, he supports abortion, yet calls himself a Catholic which is just plain disturbing...he wants to raise taxes...ugh, i'm getting a headache thinking about it.

All in all, if Kerry wins, the country would be at a stand-still. Nothing would get done, because he's certainly not going to agree with what the senate and congress present and vice versa.

It's certainly a scary world we live in!! :unsure:




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