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Title: Person Or Gender?
Description: Not for bisexual people, though, LOL.


GrahamEaton - February 26, 2004 06:09 AM (GMT)
Just out of curiousity cuz I have wondered about this before, mainly because I met my girlfriend online.... and I was like, wow, I totally loved her before I met her in person and I was like, what if I would have gotten to the airport and she was a dude? What would I have done. And I think that I would have ran the other way, honestly.

Buuuuuuttttttttttt...... I guess it is sort of a good argument for biological bisexuality because it's an argument that I use with people who say they could never fall in love with someone that is the same gender as them..... I'm like, what if you fell in love with them before you knew that they were also a female (or male, if the case be)?? Could you turn those feelings off?

I think you couldn't turn those feelings off but I think I would like, grow out of them very fast. When I would meet them in person and see they were a guy, the sexual and physical attraction would just not be there and so the rest would fizzle out.

Miss A. - February 26, 2004 07:49 AM (GMT)
This reminds me of that show Young Americans that was on a few years ago. The Dawsons Creek spin off. A girl posed as a guy and went to an all boys school. One of the other guys started to like her, thinking she was a guy, and then he thought that he was gay. Does anybody remember?

I can't really say what i would do. Maybe i'd hang out with the person for awhile, and see where my feelings went from there. I'm not sure...

Kate - February 26, 2004 10:21 AM (GMT)
I picked A.

I hope that if I fell in love with someone before meeting them... well, let's say had feelings for them, then I hope I would be able to look passed things like gender. It's a bit idealistic, but I know I would try.

Margot - February 26, 2004 08:43 PM (GMT)
I agree with Miss A.....I think i would need to meet them and get a better sense of who they are

I need to actually talk to someone face-2-face, watch their actions, not just their words.....and get a sense of who they are through that....I need like a feeling from someone, like an aura maybe?? that sounds kind of spacey :blink:

iloveclea - February 26, 2004 08:55 PM (GMT)
i still claim to fall under the label of bisexual, so i don't think it would be fair for me to vote. i try to be gender blind.

Crys - February 27, 2004 04:26 AM (GMT)
I would definitely give it a go, but I would be expecting it to fail. That said, it'd probably be doomed from the beginning. But yeah, I'd see if I could get passed that, but it's hard tellin'.

Crystie - February 27, 2004 10:14 PM (GMT)
I would do it probably but only after a few dates in person. i mean meeting the person face to face for the first time is soooooo awkward that you might not like what you see. i mean what if they were just that person online? who knows....but i bet some of those online things work out.

GrahamEaton - February 28, 2004 05:24 AM (GMT)
See, I met my girlfriend on-line. We talked for a few months and we like, as corny as it sounds, fell in love before we met in person. And then we really wanted to meet and she bought me a plane ticket and I just packed up and flew down to see her. If you knew me three years ago, you would know that this was just completely 100% out of character to me. Like, sometimes I still I am like... I can't believe I did that. But then we met and our eyes clicked and we kissed in the airport... I was so nervous!! And we barely made it home safely and got in, didn't even unpack my stuff, and headed to bed. LOL. God, I sound easy! And that was two years ago and we are still together and still completely, completely in love. ;) So.... it can happen, I guess.

Kate - February 28, 2004 08:01 AM (GMT)
Graham, that is so cool. :yes:

Miss A. - February 28, 2004 08:18 AM (GMT)
Yeah. I think that is a really sweet story!
I know, or have heard about three couples who have met online and it's worked out, now. I guess it just depends on who the people are, and how honest and like themselves they are when they are talk online.

Crystie - February 28, 2004 03:04 PM (GMT)
Thats such a sweet story. but unfortunate enough all the guys anyone meets online are perverts so its hard really to find anything....the first thing they wanna know when they talk to you is what your bra size is...soo stupid.

GrahamEaton - February 29, 2004 04:21 AM (GMT)
LOL.
QUOTE
all the guys anyone meets online are perverts so its hard really to find anything....the first thing they wanna know when they talk to you is what your bra size is...soo stupid.
That's a great argument for political lesbianism.

Kate - February 29, 2004 08:22 AM (GMT)
:lol: Ah, hell yeah!

Sorry that you're running into perverts online, Crystie. There's nothing worse than having a conversation with someone, then having it turn nasty when you don't tell them your measurements...






Crystie - February 29, 2004 04:15 PM (GMT)
ah its hell. like what if i wanna talk about soccer....he'll just talk about the ball if ya know what i mean. i think those guys have like no life and all they do is watch online porn and cyber with girls. its really hard to meet a nice guy online so i usually dont do it. sometimes when my cousin comes up from florida we kid around and go into chat rooms and make fun of people that are just insanely stupid but other than that im not usually in them anymore. i mean we all went thru that stage where we were in chats every day...i was like 12 then, i guess things have changed.

hysterogenic - March 1, 2004 12:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kate @ Feb 26 2004, 05:21 AM)


I hope that if I fell in love with someone before meeting them... well, let's say had feelings for them, then I hope I would be able to look passed things like gender. It's a bit idealistic, but I know I would try.

i have to go with kate on this one.. although i dont know that it would work out but i would still want to try if i really felt that strongly for them


Idle_Shit - May 7, 2004 12:46 AM (GMT)
I am sorry to say i picked B, Though the guy maybe real cool, and I may have all these feelings, I just can't stand dick, I gag at the thought of one, I am nearly gagging now, I just couldn't...I'd deffinetly want to be his friend, but relationship no way... I just couldn't do it. But I think if i was getting to know someone over the net I'd ask if they was male or female, and probably want to see a picture before I met them, not for shallow reasons but for safety and all that, and if i turned up after being convinced they were a girl I would just walk away because they had told this big arse lie to me and thats not exceptable.

Linz - May 18, 2004 07:36 PM (GMT)
I picked A BUT!!! The but is big, I ddon't know if I would be able to have "relations" with him. Sex with boys yucks me out. I did it before and didn't even get turned on. That is a problem. :yes: I think that I could love them as a really good friend though. And I would probably give it a go. You never know until you try. :no:

Idle_Shit - May 20, 2004 12:54 AM (GMT)
:ph43r: I'd run for the mountains.

Linz - May 20, 2004 02:27 PM (GMT)
I like the ocean as a place to run to better myself. ;)

Idle_Shit - May 21, 2004 12:21 AM (GMT)
*plays with t-shirt again* ;)

Kate - May 21, 2004 08:40 AM (GMT)
I would run for the starving children in 3rd world countries. Mountains and Oceans have had the limelight for long enough. Let's think about the kids, people.

Idle_Shit - May 21, 2004 11:31 PM (GMT)
*points at kate* :geek: Thats very true :yes: .... :w00t:

CantHelpMyselfILuvGurls - December 16, 2004 03:55 AM (GMT)
Oh wow.. I had to think about this one. I mean I tend to call myself bi, but truly I think I'm lesbian and even THINKING about penis makes me squirm. Just for some reason it does not seem good to me at all. But for the sake of the person I hit it off with, I would have to try and see how it went. :blink:

Cleaduvallslover - December 17, 2004 07:24 PM (GMT)
This one hits a raw nerve with me. I myself am a lesbian(just incase ya didnt know.lol.)
I usually only seem attracted to girls, although I have those little moments where I can look at a nice well turned out guy and think.Mmm he is nice. But that would be as far as it would go.
I had a few failed relationships with guys during my time of denial. Again like someone said,Its the sex with a guy,I just dont feel anything(emotionally.lol.)
Once, I met someone who I assumed was a girl. They never in all our time of being friends explained the situation. In fact they only told me after we met and I had kissed her. She was Ts. I was taken aback at first because you would not know to look at her, at all. I am a very liberal girl and I would understand if she had been more honest,esp as things were getting intimate. So I was angry for a while, Not at who she was, just that she didnt think she could trust me. I know its a big thing but the person I am I thought she would understand.
Although there was an attraction I felt betrayed and could not let it go further.
We still keep in touch and I respect her for being the person she is. In fact she opened my eyes even further about gender identification. I understood more about what it must have been like to be born into the wrong body.
I had started writing a book about the subject but I felt I didn't have enough knowledge to fully do it justice.
Sorry this is lengthly and slightly going off topic, but I felt it important.
Anyway If I really did care for this person and they turned out to be someone different I would be angry for a while that they lied, but eventually I would come around and remain friends. As for whether I would consider a relationship. I really don't know.Not until the situation arose. It would depend what sort of relationship they wanted etc.
Well I vote A
Sorry I have raved on long enough.
Tc
Peace

Linz - December 17, 2004 10:28 PM (GMT)
I think that i Have said in the past that i would like to think that it is the person, and I think that recently I have discovered my inner psychi wanting to make out with boys! When Drunk I'm finding myself kissing all the boys I can find and in fact I have even been dreaming about them.

Now...Everyone here knows that I am indeed a lesbian by "label" and by trade ;) but I'm so confused lately. So...that is my delema, I still stick to the it is a person to person basis, but maybe, just maybe that makes me Bi....Theres something to think about huh? ><

Cleaduvallslover - December 17, 2004 11:29 PM (GMT)
Well I wouldn't say I want to make out with guys or I dream about them. Apart from Johnny Depp.lol.
But I know what you mean.
Its like you cannot get from A-Z without using the other letters of the alphabet. What I mean is, Life is trial and error.
My fave quote has just sprung to mind."Nothing is unnatural that is natural in itself."
So If it feels right, do it.(Just within the legal boundaries of course.)

Cleaduvallslover - December 17, 2004 11:32 PM (GMT)
P.s
I just noticed on your profile you like the band Garbage. How hot is Shirley. I love them. What is your fave album. I must admit I am kind of more drawn to the version album.
Have you heard of the tv show Hex? Well they sang the theme tune.
Anyway tc hun
Jodes

Linz - December 20, 2004 06:40 PM (GMT)
Hey Jodes,
Garbage is the best band on the planet and Shirley Manson is SUPER hot! My fav album would be the self-titled, but I am really looking forward to the new one. It's sounding really good and looking like it will be out for this up coming summer. Keep the fingers crossed you know?

As far as this weird boy thing, I am past my "experimenting" stage. Been there done that you know? And it's just weird that 6 years after I come out and all that this starts happening. I am really beginning to think that it's just because I'm horney and whatever looks my way might be fair game. ::sigh:: Oh well. Hopefully Everything will come together and this will no longer be a problem.

Thanks again girl!
TC!
Linz :P

Cleaduvallslover - December 20, 2004 09:32 PM (GMT)
No need to thank me.lol.
I saw a bit of a preview of the new album on a site. It is looking ok. I like the self titled album too.
One song I love that makes me dance about air guitar style would have to be "Stupid Girl". I love that or "Androgyny."

I could talk music all day and night.
You Tc
Jodes

Girl Flavor Gum - December 20, 2004 11:54 PM (GMT)
I've been a lesbian in my mind and heart since I was 8, but I met a guy online once, and we hit it off. I tried the relationship because i cared about him as a person.

It hasn't been that easy subsequently, though. I am a lesbian and probably wouldn't go for a guy again, no matter how wonderful he was.

Smidge - December 21, 2004 01:40 AM (GMT)
Linz, don't fell bad about having dreams about guys or making out with them. I think that everyone deep down is bisexual. i mean how can we not be? Humans are such beautiful things. I myself would be under the label as straight, but i've had dreams and attractions for girls at times. I doubt i would ever wind up in a relationship with a girl though, I think it's sometimes actually our dominant desires that make us seek out the other sex. For example, if i were ever to be with a girl, it would be like dating a friend with the physicality AND where i'd feel I couldn't get hurt because I wouldn't be attracted wholly and completely. Anywho that's my two cents. I agree with Jodes, just do whatever feels good. To be totally honest, I used to have two week boyfriends that were there purely for the purposes of lust and I knew they would never amount to anything more. Phew...okay I think I'm done. maybe i should make cookies to procrastinate even longer. LOL!

SaraHa ;)

Linz - December 21, 2004 07:31 PM (GMT)
Thanks everyone! Much needed help was given. I appreciate it.

Oh...Garbage Cd....Cherry Lips is one of my all time fav songs. That and Vow. I love htat song when I'm all angry and yelly.

Linz :P




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