I love this movie to pieces. Just to smitherines. But there is something that bothers me, something pretty big.

The whole beginning when Megan is coming out. Okay.... so sure. She has like, lots of stereotypical lesbian-isms, like the vegetarianism, she doesn't like making out with her boyfriend, she has pictures of women around, she likes Melissa Ethridge, etc. But that in and of itself doesn't make someone gay. Okay, the not liking making out with guys is a clue but you know what I mean. And I know Jamie was probably just making a funny lil point.... like.... whatever. But Megan doesn't think she's gay. She goes to True Directions and doesn't think she's gay. She is adament. She loves her boyfriend, she is not gay.

And then Dolph tells her "You only think they're thinking the same thing [when they look at women]. But they aren't." And suddenly, slam, bam, bolt of lightning, lightbulb clicks on..... She IS gay. And she never, ever looks back.

Now, I am not so sure about you but it wasn't like that with me. I struggled with it in the back of my head from about, eighth grade till eleventh. Then in the end of my senior year, I worked on accepting who I was and even then, I still played the bi card for like, another year and a half..... And even now, I still am sometimes like, worrying, questioning, doubting....

Like someone said on the old board, coming out doesn't mean it's over. It doesn't make the questions and doubts and fears go away. It doesn't just straighten out all of your confusion and yey, you're gay and that's it and you'll never look back! Very rarely does it go that smoothly. And yes, I know, if Megan went through that sort of stuff, it would make the movie drag. But I wish there would have been a lil more thought on her part, a lil more hesitation, introspection, resistance......... You know?

Yeh! I get stuck on the same thing. Megan goes from being totally oblivious to what her friends and family are inferring at her intervention, to total: "I'm a homo"-ness. It's pretty much a snap transition.

Maybe it has something to do with her Christianity. I don't want to comment too heavily on that, as I didn't return to Sunday School once I received a bible with my name inscribed in the front, but she seemed very sheltered.

I think you might be onto something with the film timeframe thing. It's a comedy, so getting bogged down in reality would have made it much longer and therefore it would have taken longer before she did the nasty with Graham.

I can handle the trade off, but it's an excellent point.

i know what u mean... i mean i had a crush on my first grade female teacher but didnt come out till 11th grade. but for the movie to work and flow it needed to adress it and work threw it quickly. it is also a point towards how ridiculous it is to be sent to a camp reorientation thing and be cured in like a month or less. it just doesnt work that way, and that is y they made such a big deal out of it in the movie.

Sally

:yes: there is much wisdom in what you say...


PS. Why are first grade teachers so hot?

i think it is the whole they like to wear skirts alot and we are only like what 3 feet tall... u know just about the right height, lol ^_^

:o That is very naughty... but I don't mind.

when i was in first grade my family and i were out and about in the car one day and i happen to ask from the back seat if it was ok to have a crush on a teacher to which my mother replied 'yeah it is ok if it is a guy teacher. do u have any guy teachers at ur school?"

i was like 'oh i dont know ok thanx" and thought i should probably just keep this secret to myself.

Sally

:o Oh, your Mum said that? Missy, that's harsh. I accidentally laughed when I read that, but not in a vindictive way.

I had a similar disclosure when I was little. I asked my Mum if it was OK to have a crush on a girl, and she said it was fine and quite common... then I asked her again when I was 16 and she said "hah hah hah, Kate, don't be silly" :( ???

Parents say the darndest things! :yes:

Oh parents. Damn.

I fell in love with my best friend in sixth grade and remained in love with her till my first year of college. However, I didn't grasp this till I was in like, 12th grade. But when I was in like, seventh or eighth, my parents sat me down and said, "Are you gay? Are you in love with Kate?" And I was like, HUH? Cuz I was so not even there. I was not thinking that at all. And I was so mortified, cuz my parents have always talked about how evil gay people are and all and I'm from a really small town and never knew any gay people, so I was bawling and I was like, "No! Do you think I'm gay?" And they're like, "Well, do you think you're gay?"

Fast forward to the summer after high school. I come out to my mom... I actually don't even have to. I am just so nervous that I'm about to pass out and I tell my mom we need to talk and I kind of gently get the ball rolling and she's like.... "You think you're interested in girls, too, right?" (Big emphasis on the TOO there) "That's okay.... it's a phase.... and you're an affectionate person...." Blah.

Fast forward to about a year ago. My mom realizes it's not a phase. She goes into her big weepy phase and says, "You're NOT gay! There were never any signs! You never gave us any impression that you were gay!"

So I was like, hmmmmmmm. No signs, eh? Besides the fact that you sat me down and said you thought I was gay and the fact that you practically came out FOR me.


By the way, back to the TOO thing. Like, a month ago, my mom calls me and says.... "I've decided that I can accept this for right now. Sooner or later you will mature and realize that you are bisexual and that is okay with me. I can accept that you are attracted to women but you will grow up and marry a man and that will be that."

Mind you, I turn 21 like, tomorrow. And I haven't been with a guy--mind you, I only ever kissed guys-- since I was like, 16. And I've been with my girlfriend for like, 2 years. And I have no desire to go back to men.

But hey.... maybe one day I will mature, right? (Yeah, that's sarcastic there.)

Yes, Graham. One day you will see the error of your ways. You'll just look back and laugh at this little phase ;) Maybe you will go around and give talks to children in schools about peer pressure and "saying no to girls"

My prayers are with you.

hehe funny side note.. my mother too thinks that i just havent met the right man yet, so this one day she was having a really shit couple of days and she just went off on everybody so after she got done just pouring her heart out i turned to her and said 'its ok mom becuase i have met a wonderful man and i am going to get married to him' and she looked at me with that little glimer of hope in her eyes and said 'really?" to which i replied.....' no, but it made ya feel better didnt it'

hehe im so evil.. muahahaha B)

what is this, it's like fuckin denial, my mum says that too, she's like your too youg, it's just a phase and i think you just need to meet the right guy, if you come back when you are older i will believe you. i said how much older she said well after you are 25, im only 16...

Hehe. Maybe I will. Maybe I can help a whole generation of females to hide and deny who they are. That would be fantastic!!!

And thanks for the prayers, by the way, but I think I'm good there. My mother has a huge Catholic family (13 brothers and sisters, plus her mother) and I'm getting prayers upon prayers upon prayers from all of them. Which makes an interesting point.... I believe in God and I believe prayers can be answered but if all fifteen of them are praying for me to be straight even half as often as they claim to be, God would have turned me straight by now if he wanted me to be. You know?

lol yeah u'd be a big ole man lover then huh, lol

Sally

Cool, once those prayers come through and you start liking dick, you can begin sharing the love (in a completely platonic sense) and teach people everywhere that everything they feel is wrong, unless it's what you tell them!

:angel:

OK, I won't pray for your hetero rebirth then, I will devote my time to thinking up catchy bumper sticker slogans for your R.V of Repression - "Purge that Urge" Tour 2004.

LMAO purge the urge. that cracks me up. i will pray for u to stay the way u should be to counter act all those other prayers. here's to positive thinking.

Sally

You know when I finish my autobiography It would make Megan look like a lesbian saint,lmao. I have been through that much in my life already, its been hell, I often wonder if being a lesbian is right at all.lol. But I wouldnt go back, I was born to it.lol.
I think a real angst film Is Oranges are not the only fruit, because it really gets to grips with feelings about knowing you are gay, family reactions and religion etc.
If you havent seen it you should check it out.
Jodes.

i will definately have to check that one out.

Sally