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welshboy91 - August 26, 2006 11:19 AM (GMT)
Pluto, beloved by some as a cosmic underdog but scorned by astronomers who considered it too dinky and distant, was unceremoniously stripped of its status as a planet Thursday.

The International Astronomical Union, dramatically reversing course just a week after floating the idea of reaffirming Pluto's planethood and adding three new planets to Earth's neighborhood, downgraded the ninth rock from the sun in historic new galactic guidelines.

“Pluto is smaller than our moon, not of planetary size,” astronomer Sir Patrick Moore told CBS Evening News interim anchor Bob Schieffer. “If we call Pluto a planet, there are others: Xena, Verona, Terran, Ceres — the list is endless. In fact, that makes no sense at all.”

The shift will have the world's teachers scrambling to alter lesson plans just as schools open for the fall term.

“It will all take some explanation, but it is really just a reclassification and I can't see that it will cause any problems,” said Neil Crumpton, who teaches science at a high school north of London. “Science is an evolving subject and always will be.”

Powerful new telescopes, experts said, are changing the way they size up the mysteries of the solar system and beyond. But the scientists at the conference showed a soft side, waving plush toys of the Walt Disney character Pluto the dog — and insisting that Pluto's spirit will live on in the exciting discoveries yet to come.

“The word 'planet' and the idea of planets can be emotional because they're something we learn as children,” said Richard Binzel, a professor of planetary science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who helped hammer out the new definition.

“This is really all about science, which is all about getting new facts,” he said. “Science has marched on. ... Many more Plutos wait to be discovered.”

Pluto, a planet since 1930, got the boot because it didn't meet the new rules, which say a planet not only must orbit the sun and be large enough to assume a nearly round shape, but must “clear the neighborhood around its orbit.” That disqualifies Pluto, whose oblong orbit overlaps Neptune's, downsizing the solar system to eight planets from the traditional nine.

Astronomers have labored without a universal definition of a planet since well before the time of Copernicus, who proved that the Earth revolves around the sun, and the experts gathered in Prague burst into applause when the guidelines were passed.

Predictably, Pluto's demotion provoked plenty of wistful nostalgia.

“It's disappointing in a way, and confusing,” said Patricia Tombaugh, the 93-year-old widow of Pluto discoverer Clyde Tombaugh.

“I don't know just how you handle it. It kind of sounds like I just lost my job,” she said from Las Cruces, N.M. “But I understand science is not something that just sits there. It goes on. Clyde finally said before he died, 'It's there. Whatever it is. It is there.”'

The decision by the IAU, the official arbiter of heavenly objects, restricts membership in the elite cosmic club to the eight classical planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

Pluto and objects like it will be known as “dwarf planets,” which raised some thorny questions about semantics: If a raincoat is still a coat, and a cell phone is still a phone, why isn't a dwarf planet still a planet?

NASA said Pluto's downgrade would not affect its $700 million New Horizons spacecraft mission, which this year began a 9½-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets.

But mission head Alan Stern said he was “embarrassed” by Pluto's undoing and predicted that Thursday's vote would not end the debate. Although 2,500 astronomers from 75 nations attended the conference, only about 300 showed up to vote.

“It's a sloppy definition. It's bad science,” he said. “It ain't over.”

Under the new rules, two of the three objects that came tantalizingly close to planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed “Xena.” The third object, Pluto's largest moon, Charon, isn't in line for any special designation.

Brown, whose Xena find rekindled calls for Pluto's demise because it showed it isn't nearly as unique as it once seemed, waxed philosophical.

“Eight is enough,” he said, jokingly adding: “I may go down in history as the guy who killed Pluto.”

Demoting the icy orb named for the Roman god of the underworld isn't personal — it's just business — said Jack Horkheimer, director of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium and host of the PBS show “Star Gazer.”

“It's like an amicable divorce,” he said. “The legal status has changed but the person really hasn't. It's just single again.”

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/24/...in1931722.shtml

Big Al - August 26, 2006 11:33 AM (GMT)
Bizarre. :blink:

sir matchstickmen - August 30, 2006 08:11 AM (GMT)
Well as i'm doing Astronomy I thought i'd better comment on this at some stage... roflmao

I think it's definitely the right decision to strip Pluto of it's status as a planet - it behaves (especially it's orbit) in a way very different from the other planets, plus the fact that it seems surgically attatched to it's moon with it's strange orbit.

(for those who don't know, Pluto has a 'moon' called Charon that is in a 'geosynchronous' orbit, which means that there is only one point on pluto where you will ever see Charon, it's as if there's a metal bar holding them together! roflmao )

The eight planets that remain (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) all have proper spherical orbits, have decent size, and genuinely looks like they have always been planets! Pluto is just an enarged Asteroid that happened to start orbiting the Sun by 'accident'.

It's pretty amazing those Scientists didn't give a definition of a planet though for years and years - If that had been the case Pluto would never have been classed a planet when it was discovered in 1930!

In spite of all this, they are still sending an orbiter called the Pluto Express to Pluto, which should get there by about 2018 (or so my uni notes say roflmao ).


Maybe we should make Pluto an "Honorary planet", after all, for 76 years it will have been dead excitied to think it was a planet, and it's a bit cruel to suddenly tell it it isn't a planet! roflmao

styeffo - August 30, 2006 08:14 AM (GMT)
smart alec!

:o

sir matchstickmen - August 30, 2006 08:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (styeffo @ Aug 30 2006, 09:14 AM)
smart alec!

:o

makes a change for me roflmao

sir matchstickmen - August 30, 2006 08:43 AM (GMT)
We love you Pluto, we do...

sir matchstickmen - August 30, 2006 09:03 AM (GMT)
A tribute to Pluto, of course I adapted the lyrcs for a Queen song didn't I? roflmao


********************************************************************

You'd sit alone, in all that night
Too far away from the sunlight
And ev'rything you had to know
you had to find it on your own

We found you in amongst the stars
With telescopes as big as Mars
A new planet to put in our log
You even were a cartoon dog

So don't become some background rock
That all the other planets will mock
They just won't know or just won't care
But they'll notice, when you're not there
You had your time you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Plu-u-to

All we hear is Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to goo goo
Plu-u-to ga ga
All we hear is Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to blah blah
Plu-u-to was cool
Plu-u-to someone still loves you

We read the books - we scour the stars
With telescopes for hours and hours
We looked for you, so far away
The ninth planet comes into play...

Let's hope you never leave old friend
Don't let this news, send you round the bend
So stick around cos we will listen
When we grow tired of this definition ( roflmao )
You had your time you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Plu-u-to

All we hear is Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to goo goo
Plu-u-to ga ga
All we hear is Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to blah blah
Plu-u-to was cool
Plu-u-to someone still loves you

Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to ga ga
Plu-u-to ga ga

You had your time you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Plu-u-to
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odietamo - August 30, 2006 11:53 AM (GMT)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Mo aka Mz O'Hara - August 30, 2006 12:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

Big Al - August 30, 2006 09:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

Plutos fine, but dont talk down Uranus ;) .

Big Al - August 31, 2006 08:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Aug 30 2006, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

Plutos fine, but dont talk down Uranus ;) .

Aw comeon. Didnt you get it ? roflmao

sir matchstickmen - September 1, 2006 10:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Aug 31 2006, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Aug 30 2006, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

Plutos fine, but dont talk down Uranus ;) .

Aw comeon. Didnt you get it ? roflmao

The thing that makes me laugh about Uranus is that apparently there are rivers of liquid METHANE on the 'surface', so maybe Uranus really does live up to its name! roflmao

sir matchstickmen - September 1, 2006 10:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

It has to be said there wasn't a lot to 'learn' about Pluto roflmao

They've never produced a decent image of it yet so they haven't really got a bloody clue what it's like there! roflmao

SerenaW19 - September 2, 2006 06:07 PM (GMT)
It's sad :(

Call me nostalgic and simplisitc but it seems silly. I know Pluto is in many respects a moon or a captured piece of space debris. But it orbits the sun (albeit elliptically), what meanies wouldn't say that a planet did that? :shrug: They just havn't found anything interesting lately so decided to 'unfind' something instead :doh:

I know im being totally bonkers about this but that's just my two cents :P

SerenaW19 - September 2, 2006 06:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Sep 1 2006, 04:51 AM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

It has to be said there wasn't a lot to 'learn' about Pluto roflmao

They've never produced a decent image of it yet so they haven't really got a bloody clue what it's like there! roflmao

It's cold :)

sir matchstickmen - September 2, 2006 06:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:07 PM)
It's sad :(

Call me nostalgic and simplisitc but it seems silly. I know Pluto is in many respects a moon or a captured piece of space debris. But it orbits the sun (albeit elliptically), what meanies wouldn't say that a planet did that? :shrug: They just havn't found anything interesting lately so decided to 'unfind' something instead :doh:

I know im being totally bonkers about this but that's just my two cents :P

I certainly think it's crazy to go back on what you'd call a planet. In hindsight it should never have been called a planet in the first place, but a runaway asteroid, but it was discovered in 1930 by an American (Tombaugh) and I think they jumped the gun a bit and called it a planet before they had really looked into it properly!


sir matchstickmen - September 2, 2006 06:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:08 PM)
QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Sep 1 2006, 04:51 AM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Aug 30 2006, 01:08 PM)
QUOTE (odietamo @ Aug 30 2006, 12:53 PM)
OMG poor Pluto. I'm absolutely gutted for it.

Me too. All that 'learning' at school wasted :(

Was my fave planet name too :(

It has to be said there wasn't a lot to 'learn' about Pluto roflmao

They've never produced a decent image of it yet so they haven't really got a bloody clue what it's like there! roflmao

It's cold :)

It sure is that, and it has barely any gravity, so i'm not sure youd stay on pluto for too long! roflmao

Oh, and it has a moon which is very weirdly "attatched" to it, as if there was a pole connecting them

SerenaW19 - September 2, 2006 06:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Sep 2 2006, 12:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:07 PM)
It's sad :(

Call me nostalgic and simplisitc but it seems silly. I know Pluto is in many respects a moon or a captured piece of space debris. But it orbits the sun (albeit elliptically), what meanies wouldn't say that a planet did that?  :shrug:  They just havn't found anything interesting lately so decided to 'unfind' something instead  :doh:

I know im being totally bonkers about this but that's just my two cents  :P

I certainly think it's crazy to go back on what you'd call a planet. In hindsight it should never have been called a planet in the first place, but a runaway asteroid, but it was discovered in 1930 by an American (Tombaugh) and I think they jumped the gun a bit and called it a planet before they had really looked into it properly!

Do you just come on here soley for this thread these days SMM :D

Ye, it was unusual they called it a planet in the first place but god knows why they took 70 years to change their minds though :rolleyes:

Like you said though we still don't know much about it in detail even now.

sir matchstickmen - September 2, 2006 06:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:30 PM)
QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Sep 2 2006, 12:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Sep 2 2006, 07:07 PM)
It's sad :(

Call me nostalgic and simplisitc but it seems silly. I know Pluto is in many respects a moon or a captured piece of space debris. But it orbits the sun (albeit elliptically), what meanies wouldn't say that a planet did that?  :shrug:  They just havn't found anything interesting lately so decided to 'unfind' something instead  :doh:

I know im being totally bonkers about this but that's just my two cents  :P

I certainly think it's crazy to go back on what you'd call a planet. In hindsight it should never have been called a planet in the first place, but a runaway asteroid, but it was discovered in 1930 by an American (Tombaugh) and I think they jumped the gun a bit and called it a planet before they had really looked into it properly!

Do you just come on here soley for this thread these days SMM :D

Ye, it was unusual they called it a planet in the first place but god knows why they took 70 years to change their minds though :rolleyes:

Like you said though we still don't know much about it in detail even now.

well i'm an astronomy student you see, I get my kicks off threads like these! :D

maybe I should start a "Sky at night" thread once each month! roflmao




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