Listen up; Novak was not injured of feeling bad! He just didn't have the balls to lose properly. It was so obvious.
This must have been arranged in a family meeting this morning, after the "king is dead" remarks they needed a fall back scenario. The family didn't want to show the world Novak at top of his game (which he really was the first set) isn't good enough to beat a in form Federer. :lmaao:
I'm dead serious btw.

Yup the Fed worsh...uh, I mean fans back to what they do best... ;)

Well said Choka.

This thread is a joke more like. I thought you had more class GP.

Just like in the live scoring threads Djoko gets jumped on.

Djoko had proven he could break thread in the penultimate game of the match. Why give up unless he was feeling bad?

You don't get to this level by being a quitter.

It seems ok and viable for Federer to get mono but not for Djoko to be ill and retire from a match?

It is a shame..I am a fan of both more of FED for sure but I would prefer Djoko as the next N#1 than Rafa..We have really to wait and see what are the justifications of Nole decision..I continue to prefer his Tennis to the one of Rafa and as I pointed out in my signature here, the only disturbing element is the family..

Hope he will be fine for the rest of the clay season: the first set was great IMO by both :P :P

I've stopped trying to work them out Gav, I really have... :unsure: :shrug:

I don't think it's the general opinion of all Fed fans, but this thread is just irritating. Fed did have mono didn't he? That was a fair enough excuse for bad form. I can accept that. But Djoko is not allowed to be ill or injured.

Quite a shameful reaction.

You don't have to justify you like Novak, TV. i admire his game also. But i''ve seen enough of his tricks which holds me back to like him as a person.

I saw what i saw Gav, and you?

yes and of course whining and bitching when people beat you is a great character trait to have.... :whistle: :rolleyes:

I saw Djoko come off having actually broken Federer in the penultimate game so surely he would have had the belief if he was fit that he could break back and get back in the set? Why quit when you have already proven you could break?

Djoko is not a quitter and this thread is extremely biased.

Tell me why Fed can have mono but Djoko can't be ill?

EDIT:- I happen to think Fed was playing too good for Djoko today anyway. But to start a thread like this reminds me of the crap on the BBC towards the end of its life.

exactly Gav but we keep having these hysterical reactions all the time and I for one am getting sick of all this :bs: ...

Well GP is entitled to his opinion. And I bet a lot of folks are thinking it so why not discuss it? We do have freedom of speech don't we? :shrug:

Yes, so why not start a thread that says "Was Djoko really ill?" and debate in a civilised way?

Why the need to start a bashing/hating thread? :shrug: :shrug:

I dont think thats obvious at all :shrug:

Djoko may have been down but, while he may be questioned over MTOs, I dont think people have him down as a quitter.

I didnt get to see the match but am basing it on peoples comments who were watching and I think would be unbiased - and it seemed reasonably tight to me - hadnt Djoko managed a break back of his own in the second set?

He may not have gone on to win, but I dont think he flunked it on purpose here - I believe he was genuinely ill and hope he recovers quickly.

what do you mean by that? Fed struggled his way to the semies of the AO having mono...
FYI, i never used Roger previous illness as an excuse for his bad results this year.
Look Gav, i think you're an unbiased and fair poster (and pretty funny at times ;) ) but this time you're a bit naive

And BTW; i'm not gonna deny there was some extra poison in my remarks because i was dissapointed with the way the match ended, gimme a break Gav

I can't answer that cos I didn't start the thread and wouldn't want to speak for GP but I see your point. Perhaps he feels very passionate about this? :shrug:

We can agree to disagree,but why not start a thread asking the question about Djoko's fitness rather than a simple bashing/hating thread.

Remember the threads bashing Federer on the BBC? What makes this one any different?

I'm a passionate man, SB ;)

How would you feel if someone who disliked Federer started a similar thread to this claiming Federer had been lying all along about the mono and called him a joke?

Isn't that the same thing you are doing but to Djoko?

Personally I got the impression Djoko wasn't dizzy, I mean the main cause of this is heat and this is Europe in spring we're talking about not an Australian Summer. Plus he claims that he has been feeling ill for the past 3 days and yet from what I saw he was playing the best clay court tennis I had ever seen from him.

I just got the feeling he didn't want to fight anymore and so just decided to give up, disappointing :(

Absolutely,
it may or may not be true, but it's not inconceivable is it?

I say :flirt:

See you later then GP, but you will be buying the drinks :D ;)

No it isn't, a lot of folks will think about it, I certainly am but my jury is still out. I hate to accuse him of giving up if he were ill, but likewise I think it is equally weak of me to just accept that he was and say nothing more. Anyway Djoko himself has created most of the 'smoke' to this fire from past behaviour so it's bound to get the doubters going..

You can say i posted an anti-Federer thread after Roger lost to Fish a few weeks ago. You didn’t complain back then Gav..

:hug:

of course it is but there is no point trying to have a reasoned debate with these people... :shrug: :rolleyes:

That's very sweet GP, but my glass is empty so ..... :lol:

You were actually opening up a debate in that thread and you didn't label Fed a joke. This thread was started in a hating/trollesque manner.

A thread questioning Djoko's decision in the way SG posted in this thread would have been a better opening. I would have disagreed with him, but at least it would have been a more civilised debate.

What is clear is that FED does not like Djoko's family, i.e.

http://www.zshare.net/video/1113310258851c46

Priceless :lmaao: :lmaao:

Once again the mam should learn to Sh** Up

Love how GP is being so arrogant considering how Fed has been in such dire straits the past few months :rolleyes:

If people are rating this as a great Fed victory, then there's desperation in the air to say the least.

Applaud the winners, but dont ridicule the losers, especially when it was a retirement 'victory' for Fed :rolleyes:

This is presumably exactly the kind of reaction that gets GP riled ...

Nonetheless, I happen to agree with Gav - I don't think posting this thread in the way GP did was appropriate. It is a very direct attack on a player, and it's not good form. (I'm saying this as a Fed fan who was also disappointed at the way the match ended.)

As for the facts, I think they are actually somewhere between the two positions expressed here.

Here's what Djokovic said after the match:

And here's what Fed said:

So overall, I think it is clear that there *was* something wrong, but on the other hand that it wasn't something entirely major. I think he could have probably finished the match, but can you blame him not wanting to take the risk when it was clear he couldn't win? You could say that maybe he shouldn't have played at all if he was feeling unwell, but then he would have gotten flak for not at least trying, so he was in a lose-lose situation there anyway. And if he played until the end and then said he wasn't feeling well, he would have been called a sore loser. :rolleyes:

I think it is quite natural that people are a little bit unsure about his injury timeouts, given that he *did* seem to abuse them a bit a while back. But I don't remember seeing him still doing this last year, so I would give him the benefit of the doubt. He is clearly concerned about his health, and given how demanding the sport is, you can't really blame him. :shrug:

Anyway, I don't think this board is the place for posts like the original one, and I hope GP will see that he was being completely over the top there.

And I'm now *really, really, really* getting tired of this 'Fed worshipper' CR@P from choka. I feel personally insulted by it. You can criticize the attitude of a post, or a general mindset of some fans, but implying that it is somehow connected to being a fan of one particular player is inappropriate. And since I think we can all imagine what he would have said if Maria had retired e.g. from a match with Serena, it's really the pot calling the kettle black. :rolleyes:

I missed that!

Class :lmaao:

Thanks for that Jed, interesting.

Interesting it was just a sore throat cos I thought he was supposed to have been billious and about to chuck up :shrug: So it wasn't major but feasible he coudl have felt a bit off. I've had that sore throat and dizzyness thing for over a week, it's not uncommon. Amazing though that given that he'd seen doctors and gets better medical care than I do, that he didn't get a diagnosis and medication if needed. If it's simple then it's either a viral or bacterial infection. If it's the latter then he'd have had antibiotics. With the former, he'd have had to just let it take it's course and rest. I'm sure given how fit he is that the doctor could have given him something to help though.

If you are feeling too bad to play then I guess it's your call to retire. If he felt he coudln't win then I don't blame him as you say, but I think some folks were disagreeing with that yesterday sayign that he still COULD have won, therefore that meant his illness was very genuine as he had no motive to be a 'quitter' as such. Havign thought about it since, I don't feel ti was easy for himt o win form there, I think he knew Fed had him and was demoralised. Whether that led to him thinking screw it, I will retire cos I cannot win I do not know. But i reckon it will surely have crossed his mind. And unless the ilness was worsening suddenly (which is possible given hh wasn't on anything, but nto likely to just strike like that) he'd have bene able to try and complete the set. That's my view, and I do think that if the shoe was on the other foot Fed would have carried on.

Well I was arguing that the fact that if he was fit surely just having broken Federer in Federer's last service game he would have had the belief he could win (just as any competitor should have on the court) therefore something must have been wrong, in my opinion, for him to quit.

Personally, in my own opinion, I didn't think he had the tools yesterday to beat Federer anyway, but that doesn't mean Djoko would have thought that had he been fit rather than ill and in the same position as he was in yesterday.

In fact if he was fit, any competitor at the top level shouldn't believe they are beaten until they hear the words "Game, Set, Match". I don't think people get to that level that they are at if they don't have that mentality.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?

yeah but I think the bottom line here is we are dealing with a sizeable minority of Fed fans who are well truth be told, slightly obsessed with Roger.
This unfortunately results in the type of posts we have got on this thread... :shrug:

Just my own 'two-pennorth', Djoko has been feeling ill for a few days, but he managed to oust Murray and Querrey. BUT, playing the top player, you have to dig deeper, and that must take its toll if you aren't feeling great.

I very much doubt he was fit, and clearly the best thing to do on this occasion was retire. If you're even 95% against a Fed, or a Nadal - it's not enough.

However, one thing that really bugs me with Djoko - and my initial reaction when the doctors came on - is that he has, in my opinion, been too liberal with using the MTOs...and for the wrong reasons (i.e. as a tactic to disrupt the rhythm of his opponent)

On this occasion, though, it was clearly his own rhythm that wasn't right...

I have to say, that is a bit rich coming from a poster who created an entire persona and screen name around bashing a particular player. :rolleyes:

I think questioning Djokovic's toughness in retiring like that is fair enough, as long as it's not done in too nasty a way. (For instance, I thought some people were entirely too nasty toward Henin in her infamous retirement.) It's fair enough to point out, as I did in the live score thread, that Djokovic's self describes symptoms of dizziness and general lack of energy are not that different from what Fed said he experienced with his mono earlier in the year.

Djokovic has retired from matches quite a number of times, several of them being big-time matches against big-time opponents. I'm not sure he has the champions mentality that Fed does. Count how many times Fed has retired from a match . . . .

Perhaps he really needed to retire from this match to save his health; I'm not sure. I think many a player would have played on, though.

well not really Nick, I have learned from my mistakes and don't do that anymore and havn't bashed Maria for months.... :ok: :shrug:

and as the saying goes two wrongs don't make a right.... ;)

Well, I'm glad to hear that, but I still think you and Gav overreacted to an opinion that perhaps you didn't agree with, but seemed to some to have some validity to it.

look we have had Murray bashing, Djoko bashing, Nalbandian bashing and Nadal bashing for months by a certain group of Fed fans which seems to be ok according to the mods but then we get criticised for challenging what they say... :shrug:

This is nearly getting as bad as the BBC... :(