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Dark_Necrofear™ - January 16, 2008 10:17 AM (GMT)
Thoughts anyone?Im more in favour of a Justine Venus match after last years Semi at the US Open.What are your views?

Gav - January 16, 2008 10:30 AM (GMT)
I wouldn't mind either of those finals to be honest.

Form suggests those are the odds on finalists, but you never know.

Serena can test Justine if she is at her best, but can she beat her? That is something only the match (should they both reach that far) can answer. I personally believe Justine at her best can handle Serena.

All very interesting though.

liam_valid - January 16, 2008 11:03 AM (GMT)
After todays performance, i wouldnt count out a Sharapova vs Venus final. Maria was on USO 2006 form and look what she did to Justine there.....

chokapova - January 16, 2008 06:50 PM (GMT)
Justine v Venus please :pray:

All Williams finals are generally crap... :shrug:

BIG-TODGER - January 16, 2008 07:03 PM (GMT)
I'ld prefer Venus against Justine, i agree it will probably be a better match.
The all Williams finals were never that great-i think they got a little better, but they never produced a classic-which is understandable given that they are sisters.

chokapova - January 16, 2008 07:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BIG-TODGER @ Jan 16 2008, 01:03 PM)
they never produced a classic-which is understandable given that they are sisters.

I think that's the problem... :unsure:

Federer-Williams - January 16, 2008 07:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Jan 16 2008, 04:30 AM)
I wouldn't mind either of those finals to be honest.

Form suggests those are the odds on finalists, but you never know.

Serena can test Justine if she is at her best, but can she beat her? That is something only the match (should they both reach that far) can answer. I personally believe Justine at her best can handle Serena.

All very interesting though.

Serena's best is unbeatable period.

Going into the match I would say Serena's in better shape than their last encounter and playing much better (whereas Justine was basically in the zone all US Open). Henin has looked slightly vulnerable. I would expect at least 3 sets in Aussie of all places where Serena has come back so many times.

She is a little over 40-1 in Australia since 2003 (including doubles).

So i think a Williams final is not out the question especially since Henin has to get through Masha anyway.

Their last Aussie Open final was immense..this one could be too.

Bring on the domination.

dl04 - January 16, 2008 08:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 16 2008, 06:50 PM)
All Williams finals are generally crap... :shrug:

Ever a one with words :lol:

I wouldnt mind either tbh, as long as Venus is there :D roflmao

vivahate - January 17, 2008 02:02 PM (GMT)
i'm fine with a justine/venus final.

trisco - January 17, 2008 07:35 PM (GMT)
I wouldn't be shocked if come finals day, Sharapova and Ivanovic were taking to the court...

chokapova - January 17, 2008 11:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Jan 16 2008, 02:20 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 16 2008, 06:50 PM)
All Williams finals are generally crap... :shrug:

Ever a one with words :lol:

I wouldnt mind either tbh, as long as Venus is there :D roflmao

Thanks :lol:

I think Venus has a great shot to be honest, she always steps up in the second week... :)

lalitha - January 18, 2008 01:10 PM (GMT)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

trisco - January 18, 2008 01:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

Buttercup - January 18, 2008 01:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (trisco @ Jan 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

depends what mood Svetlanas in on the day.

For me, i want to see a Henin vs Kuznetsova final, but i would be surprised if its Henin vs Venus.
I really couldnt bare to watch another Williams final though.....

Federer-Williams - January 18, 2008 04:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Buttercup @ Jan 18 2008, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (trisco @ Jan 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

depends what mood Svetlanas in on the day.

For me, i want to see a Henin vs Kuznetsova final, but i would be surprised if its Henin vs Venus.
I really couldnt bare to watch another Williams final though.....

To be fair we haven't had one in awhile.

Whereas we have had plenty of Henin-Kuznetsova finals recently and they haven't exactly been great quality have they?

It should be a more even H2H but Kuzzie chokes and in GS finals Henin is just too mentally sound for her. It would be another whitewash final for sure.

liam_valid - January 18, 2008 04:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Jan 18 2008, 04:03 PM)
QUOTE (Buttercup @ Jan 18 2008, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (trisco @ Jan 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

depends what mood Svetlanas in on the day.

For me, i want to see a Henin vs Kuznetsova final, but i would be surprised if its Henin vs Venus.
I really couldnt bare to watch another Williams final though.....

To be fair we haven't had one in awhile.

Whereas we have had plenty of Henin-Kuznetsova finals recently and they haven't exactly been great quality have they?

It should be a more even H2H but Kuzzie chokes and in GS finals Henin is just too mentally sound for her. It would be another whitewash final for sure.

i agree. i like kuzzy, but i couldnt bear anotherfinal with her and Henin. Either Serena or Masha vs Venus will do for me. In fact, even though I prefer both Serena and Venus to Maria, i would really like her to win this, just to mix it up at the top of the rankings, and because i predicted her to win all 4 slams and a win here would only leave her needing the FO, which isnt impossible considering her career will last quite a few ears after Henin retires. But for the same token, a Venus win here would have the same effect, although her chances of winning RG are much slimmer

Queen Justine - January 19, 2008 12:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Buttercup @ Jan 18 2008, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (trisco @ Jan 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

depends what mood Svetlanas in on the day.

I really couldnt bare to watch another Williams final though.....

Join the club :bow:

chokapova - January 19, 2008 01:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Jan 18 2008, 10:03 AM)
QUOTE (Buttercup @ Jan 18 2008, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (trisco @ Jan 18 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Jan 18 2008, 01:10 PM)
Justine vs venus for me :pray:

I notice nobody is mentioning Kuznetsova yet...
Could Ivanovic or Venus beat her in the semi's?

depends what mood Svetlanas in on the day.

For me, i want to see a Henin vs Kuznetsova final, but i would be surprised if its Henin vs Venus.
I really couldnt bare to watch another Williams final though.....

To be fair we haven't had one in awhile.

Whereas we have had plenty of Henin-Kuznetsova finals recently and they haven't exactly been great quality have they?

It should be a more even H2H but Kuzzie chokes and in GS finals Henin is just too mentally sound for her. It would be another whitewash final for sure.

Oh well it's all academic now, Sveta is out... :blink:

lalitha - January 19, 2008 06:02 AM (GMT)
Well there goes Sveta ...bring on justine vs venus... ;)

trisco - January 19, 2008 06:03 AM (GMT)
Kuzzy has left the fray..Either Ivanovic or Venus... I really don't mind with wither.. both :bow: great players

SuperBRAT - January 21, 2008 11:54 AM (GMT)
I wanted to see Serena v Kuznetsova but that is all over now. I really don't want to see Ivanovic, but I don't want all Williams either. So I'd have to go for Henin v Venus, although ideally I'd love to seee Henin v Serena from what is left but obviously can't happen.

I woudl thought like to see Radwanska make her first slam final, that would be interesting.

Federer-Williams - January 21, 2008 01:10 PM (GMT)
All straight set wins for Williams in doubles and singles so far.

Domination is looming I tell you all muhaha. ;)

chokapova - January 21, 2008 05:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Jan 21 2008, 07:10 AM)
All straight set wins for Williams in doubles and singles so far.

Domination is looming I tell you all muhaha. ;)

Please God, no... :pray:

We had enough crap finals in 2002-2003, we don't want to go through that all again... :rolleyes: :nope:

Duchess - January 21, 2008 06:22 PM (GMT)
Goooo Jelena!!!!!

barrystar - January 21, 2008 06:26 PM (GMT)
Such a lop-sided draw.

I would expect Venus to beat Anna, but whoever wins that match will be the finalist barring a miracle.

I would expect Serena to beat Jankovic, but Henin vs. Shazza is far more difficult to call after their epic at the season-ender. If Shazza and Henin stage another epic, I'd expect Serena to be the beneficiary.

I really don't want an all-Williams final.

liam_valid - January 21, 2008 06:42 PM (GMT)
i DO want an all Williams final, but i would also like Sharapova to win the title. im torn

chokapova - January 21, 2008 09:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 12:42 PM)
i DO want an all Williams final, but i would also like Sharapova to win the title. im torn

Liam how many players are you supporting exactly?! :unsure: :lol:

SuperBRAT - January 21, 2008 09:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 05:54 PM)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Jan 21 2008, 07:10 AM)
All straight set wins for Williams in doubles and singles so far.

Domination is looming I tell you all muhaha.  ;)

Please God, no... :pray:

We had enough crap finals in 2002-2003, we don't want to go through that all again... :rolleyes: :nope:

Nope we don't. Much as I respect the Willaimses their crap finals ruined interest in women's tennis among many. I have onyl ever missed the Wimby ladies final ONCE since about 1976. Even though used to go away every finals weekend to scooter rallies I used to rush back to the chalet and watch the final on a black and white portable while everyone else wa sin teh bar or on the beach. But after the Wiliamses finals, I remember one Saturday deciding nto to bother fo rthe first time in nearly 30 years. I think it might have been in 2003 :shrug: We decided to go out for the day instead, I was in an Arcade in some place on the Kent coast near Hythe - Dym church? - and heard the result announced on the radio whilst I was playgin space invaders :lol: NOTHING makes me miss Wimby finals but that did. Sorry!

SuperBRAT - January 21, 2008 09:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 09:18 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 12:42 PM)
i DO want an all Williams final, but i would also like Sharapova to win the title. im torn

Liam how many players are you supporting exactly?! :unsure: :lol:

:lol:

Maybe they coudl have all 3 in the final - then agian mayeb nto cos I doubt my ears could take it and they'd probably start a fight too.

chokapova - January 21, 2008 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Jan 21 2008, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 09:18 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 12:42 PM)
i DO want an all Williams final, but i would also like Sharapova to win the title. im torn

Liam how many players are you supporting exactly?! :unsure: :lol:

:lol:

Maybe they coudl have all 3 in the final - then agian mayeb nto cos I doubt my ears could take it and they'd probably start a fight too.

:lol: Maybe Serena and Venus could play tag team against Maria?

A bagel set each would do quite nicely... roflmao

liam_valid - January 21, 2008 10:21 PM (GMT)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

Gav - January 21, 2008 10:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 10:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

If people thought they were past it then did they notice they both won a slam last year?

liam_valid - January 21, 2008 10:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Jan 21 2008, 10:23 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 10:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

If people thought they were past it then did they notice they both won a slam last year?

last year was the start of the revival, and people dont call them as much now, but a gs final would prove a lot, especially if they can do well in the doubles too

chokapova - January 21, 2008 10:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

liam_valid - January 21, 2008 10:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now. plus you arent such a big williams fan so i doubt you pay that attention to their threads

chokapova - January 21, 2008 10:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now

No prob not but I don't think any serious tennis pundits or other players have ever written the Williams sisters, you don't win that many Slams without having some talent! :ok: A talent that isn't going to go away either... :)

liam_valid - January 21, 2008 10:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now

No prob not but I don't think any serious tennis pundits or other players have ever written the Williams sisters, you don't win that many Slams without having some talent! :ok: A talent that isn't going to go away either... :)

no i dont mean the serrious pundits, im talkingv about the Williams haters on WTA world, and even a few on the BeeB, especially in 2006

SuperBRAT - January 22, 2008 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 10:59 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now

No prob not but I don't think any serious tennis pundits or other players have ever written the Williams sisters, you don't win that many Slams without having some talent! :ok: A talent that isn't going to go away either... :)

no i dont mean the serrious pundits, im talkingv about the Williams haters on WTA world, and even a few on the BeeB, especially in 2006

I haven't got to grips with WTa world. Ben on a few times but it is huge and I don't really knwo where the action is :blush: There are haters though as you said on the BBC and most fo them were nasty and personal. I don't hate them myself, I like them in ways and have huge respect for their comebacks more than anything, esp Venu sWimby 2005 and Serena AO 2007 - what a hoot! :lol: Thier finals have never been rigththough, maybe these days they might improve? :shrug: Actaulyl I reckon it will be those two cos they have gradulyl made omcebacks, and I reckon thei raim is to do the final again :D

liam_valid - January 22, 2008 01:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Jan 22 2008, 01:03 AM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 10:59 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now

No prob not but I don't think any serious tennis pundits or other players have ever written the Williams sisters, you don't win that many Slams without having some talent! :ok: A talent that isn't going to go away either... :)

no i dont mean the serrious pundits, im talkingv about the Williams haters on WTA world, and even a few on the BeeB, especially in 2006

I haven't got to grips with WTa world. Ben on a few times but it is huge and I don't really knwo where the action is :blush: There are haters though as you said on the BBC and most fo them were nasty and personal. I don't hate them myself, I like them in ways and have huge respect for their comebacks more than anything, esp Venu sWimby 2005 and Serena AO 2007 - what a hoot! :lol: Thier finals have never been rigththough, maybe these days they might improve? :shrug: Actaulyl I reckon it will be those two cos they have gradulyl made omcebacks, and I reckon thei raim is to do the final again :D

even i have no expectations of the quality of the final if it features both sisters. It would be the fact that both are focused and fit again to both be there. Love them or hate them i believe we need all the players at their best this year to make it a bit more exciting than Feds dominance last year (oops meant justines ;) )

SuperBRAT - January 22, 2008 01:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 22 2008, 01:09 AM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Jan 22 2008, 01:03 AM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 10:59 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (chokapova @ Jan 21 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM)
i dont want Serena to win, as she has won this enough times and Sharapova hasnt or Venus, so i expect my ideal final would be Sharapova vs Venus. But for S & V to both be fit enough to both get to a slam final again would go some way to shut up all the people who thoughrt they were past it

I can't recall anyone saying they were past it?! :unsure: :shrug:

well i doubt you go on all the boards i go on :rolleyes: if i were like certain posters i could even go trawling through them all to prove a point, but im at work right now

No prob not but I don't think any serious tennis pundits or other players have ever written the Williams sisters, you don't win that many Slams without having some talent! :ok: A talent that isn't going to go away either... :)

no i dont mean the serrious pundits, im talkingv about the Williams haters on WTA world, and even a few on the BeeB, especially in 2006

I haven't got to grips with WTa world. Ben on a few times but it is huge and I don't really knwo where the action is :blush: There are haters though as you said on the BBC and most fo them were nasty and personal. I don't hate them myself, I like them in ways and have huge respect for their comebacks more than anything, esp Venu sWimby 2005 and Serena AO 2007 - what a hoot! :lol: Thier finals have never been rigththough, maybe these days they might improve? :shrug: Actaulyl I reckon it will be those two cos they have gradulyl made omcebacks, and I reckon thei raim is to do the final again :D

even i have no expectations of the quality of the final if it features both sisters. It would be the fact that both are focused and fit again to both be there. Love them or hate them i believe we need all the players at their best this year to make it a bit more exciting than Feds dominance last year (oops meant justines ;) )

I like Justine's style fo play and am glad that it finalyl got it's chacne to shine through, so I don't think it is such a bad thing. The power hitters were putting folk off.




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