Title: Murray vs Federer
greasepipe - January 7, 2008 09:52 AM (GMT)
This is something I won’t rule out;
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ticle656294.eceWhen it comes down to H2H’s against the young guns I’ve always considered of Murray as Fed’s biggest threat. At the moment it finally seems Andy is ready to prove it. He’s physically and mentally stronger then he ever was and he has the game and smartness (+ the ability to annoy/distort) to trouble Federer, besides; unlike Nalbandian it isn’t exactly "all or nothing" while going for all his available resources.
I don’t think Andy will be the one to threaten Federer’s no.1 position but he’s definitely able to upset Roger once in a while coming years.
Nevertheless; like always, the draw is quite decisive. Federer against a Murray who’s just recovering from a marathon match against Ferrer or Hewitt is a different story.
BTW; My money’s still on Federer to win the AO
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Tenez - January 7, 2008 10:34 AM (GMT)
Hi GP - So now I learn you read the Sun?!? I do too but only page 3! ;)
Murray beating Federer? never gonna' appen! .....again that is.
Like Djoko, Fed has safe pacy shots that will make Andy run to death with little result at the end for the Scott and unlike Nadal, he hasn't the spin that could have trouble Fed.
Dinky Jo - January 7, 2008 11:11 AM (GMT)
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Hi GP - So now I learn you read the Sun?!? I do too but only page 3! ;)
Murray beating Federer? never gonna' appen! .....again that is.
Like Djoko, Fed has safe pacy shots that will make Andy run to death with little result at the end for the Scott and unlike Nadal, he hasn't the spin that could have trouble Fed. |
I wouldn't say never gonna happen - you know, it's happened once! :P And also Murray does have a few years on Fed...... ;)
as for whether it'll happen this year - possible, although I doubt it'll happen at any of the slams, Fed just always seems to up his game. Also, watching Murray beating Wawrinka the other day, he gets very very nervous on big points, and I suspect against Fed that problem would be exacerbated.
But I wouldn't complain if Murray proved me wrong :P
trisco - January 7, 2008 11:44 AM (GMT)
Shock Horror! The Sun produce an article about tennis and it isn't even July! The world is going mad I tell ya, mad.
greasepipe - January 7, 2008 12:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tenez @ Jan 7 2008, 04:34 AM) |
Hi GP - So now I learn you read the Sun?!? I do too but only page 3! ;)
Murray beating Federer? never gonna' appen! .....again that is.
Like Djoko, Fed has safe pacy shots that will make Andy run to death with little result at the end for the Scott and unlike Nadal, he hasn't the spin that could have trouble Fed. |
I picked the "Sun link" from the BBC site T, so i guess it's OK then ;) :phew:
here's another one;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7174870.stmAlmost got a heartattack while reading the header..luckily enough it's not concerning the AO, i hope :pray:
liam_valid - January 7, 2008 12:25 PM (GMT)
The Sun is awful for tennis coverage, but at least they print the results. The mirror and star are even worse
Tenez - January 7, 2008 12:49 PM (GMT)
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| QUOTE (Tenez @ Jan 7 2008, 04:34 AM) | Hi GP - So now I learn you read the Sun?!? I do too but only page 3! ;)
Murray beating Federer? never gonna' appen! .....again that is.
Like Djoko, Fed has safe pacy shots that will make Andy run to death with little result at the end for the Scott and unlike Nadal, he hasn't the spin that could have trouble Fed. |
I picked the "Sun link" from the BBC site T, so i guess it's OK then ;) :phew: here's another one; http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7174870.stmAlmost got a heartattack while reading the header..luckily enough it's not concerning the AO, i hope :pray: |
Yep - Would be a huge disappointment if he had to withdraw or more likely not be 100% for the tournament.
greasepipe - January 7, 2008 04:17 PM (GMT)
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Like Djoko, Fed has safe pacy shots that will make Andy run to death with little result at the end for the Scott and unlike Nadal, he hasn't the spin that could have trouble Fed.
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Well, Andy’s not exactly the typical retriever you’re insinuating here. Frankly I believe his main strength is his ability to change the speed of the rally. That’s only possible while having a wide range of shots.
Those feats combined with a smart understanding of what’s happening on court (He reads the game pretty well) should give him a chance to trouble Fed
I agree he doesn’t have that killer weapon like a big serve or a massive forehand but overall he’s 1 of the most talented players out there.
Just like DinkyJo I’m more worried 'bout his mental welfare during the big points, he needs to improve that.
Besides his shaky nature he sometimes does have those self-destructing moments doesn’t he? That’s the part I really disapprove. But all and all I like his game. And T, he decided to sack Gilbert so you got to give him credit for his view on things :D
Federer-Williams - January 7, 2008 05:02 PM (GMT)
Trisco your avatar is great as for the question.
Murray is playing too passively at the moment and even if he wasn't as much as I like him Federer is better maybe he will score some wins in Federer's twilight years combined with his prime.
Cincinatti was a one off.
Tenez - January 7, 2008 06:02 PM (GMT)
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| Well, Andy’s not exactly the typical retriever you’re insinuating here. Frankly I believe his main strength is his ability to change the speed of the rally. That’s only possible while having a wide range of shots. |
This is I think a trait of most retrievers. They are actually called "teasers".
They wait until a good opprtunity presents itself and then hit a pacy or passing shot . Nadal was/is the king at that. Nadals shots can be extremely pacy at times. No retriever content themselves of pushing the ball back, nowadays.
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| Those feats combined with a smart understanding of what’s happening on court (He reads the game pretty well) should give him a chance to trouble Fed |
He reads the game well as I noted too but so do the top 10 players bar...Roddick!
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| I agree he doesn’t have that killer weapon like a big serve or a massive forehand but overall he’s 1 of the most talented players out there. |
But what I was saying is that Djoko or Fed have those big weapons. Djoko for me is simply a more agressive version of Murray and does not "wait" for the opportunity. Every shot is played to hurt and their shots are as safe as Murray's retrieving shots. So in other words, Djoko and Fed do more with the ball than Murray. No doubt that Murray is extremely dangerous for most players who need play outside theor comfort zone for shaking Andy off like Warwrinka experienced. But I cannpt see Djoko, Federer and (a fully motivated) Davydenko lose to him. Against Nalby the difference in class will be even more obvious I feel.
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Just like DinkyJo I’m more worried 'bout his mental welfare during the big points, he needs to improve that. Besides his shaky nature he sometimes does have those self-destructing moments doesn’t he? That’s the part I really disapprove. But all and all I like his game. |
I did not notice that with Murray, I must say. Actually this is the strength of "teasers". When comes the crushing times of a match the player taking risks is usually the first to crack. Murray has actually won many matches already by being sets and MPs down. I remember versus Haas, PHM,and a few others. In general, Nadal, Hewitt, Wilander and most retrievers have won many close matches cause being able to keep an attacking game while you arm gets tensed is probably the most difficult thing in tennis.
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| And T, he decided to sack Gilbert so you got to give him credit for his view on things :D |
That's definitely good news and I will keep an open mind on Murray for now. :)
greasepipe - January 7, 2008 10:45 PM (GMT)
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Murray is playing too passively at the moment and even if he wasn't as much as I like him Federer is better maybe he will score some wins in Federer's twilight years combined with his prime.
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i guarantee you i've never said any player ever is better than Federer. My point is; very few players can trouble Fed, Murray can be one of them
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This is I think a trait of most retrievers. They are actually called "teasers". They wait until a good opprtunity presents itself and then hit a pacy or passing shot . Nadal was/is the king at that. Nadals shots can be extremely pacy at times. No retriever content themselves of pushing the ball back, nowadays.
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In the "turning defense into attack" department Nadal is truly the king but to me Murray is a more talented player than Nadal when it comes down to variety of shots (better dropshot, better volley, better backhand) , which helps him to play a even more -like you said- teasing game. But that ain't nessecarily a retrieving game.
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Djoko for me is simply a more agressive version of Murray
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Same story as the comparison Nadal -Murray; more power, less subtlety
I would rather say Djoko is a righthanded version of Nadal with a flatter FH
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Murray has actually won many matches already by being sets and MPs down
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You just don't want to know how many matches Murray lost because of the negative energy that paralyzed him. Definitly his biggest weakness
Anyway, i didn't meant to characterize myself as a Murray fan but i must say on a few occasions i saw stuff i liked
Ace - January 22, 2008 07:03 PM (GMT)
This article was just plain funny. :clap: