Title: Sports Personality of the Year Nominations
Dinky Jo - November 30, 2007 08:42 PM (GMT)
The nominations for British Sports Personality of the Year are out - and Murray has got himself a nomination:
Three current world champions and three runners-up are on the shortlist, with a total of seven sports represented:
Joe Calzaghe - Undisputed world super-middleweight boxing champion.
Lewis Hamilton - World championship runner-up in his rookie Formula One season.
Ricky Hatton - Fights Floyd Mayweather for WBC world title on eve of show.
Andy Murray - Broke into the world top 10 despite an injury that ruled him out of Wimbledon.
Christine Ohuruogu - Returned from one-year ban for missing three drugs tests to land world 400m title in Osaka.
Paula Radcliffe - Won the New York Marathon just 10 months after giving birth to a baby daughter.
Jason Robinson - Retired after playing key part in England making the Rugby World Cup final.
Justin Rose - Captured golf's European Order of Merit title.
James Toseland - Claimed the World Superbikes Championship for the second time.
Jonny Wilkinson - Shrugged off injury to help England to Rugby World Cup final.
Any thoughts?
Do you think they've got it right?
Is there anyone who has been missed?
Or anyone who you really don't think should be there?
Dinky Jo - November 30, 2007 08:44 PM (GMT)
Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope:
SuperBRAT - December 1, 2007 12:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 PM) |
| Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope: |
Andy shoudl be on the list IMO. But then so shoudl Jamie after winning that GS :rolleyes: My partner actualyl said he'd bet on Jamie winning it and he isn;t even there! Disgrace. :angry: Still there are others who are great and nto there so ....
Annoys me that there is no snooker and darts considering we are world beaters in both :rolleyes: I don't think he won as much thsi year but Phil Taylor who just won the GS of Darts has been world number oen for ages. he's the ebst darter in the world, he's the GOAT !
Heninator - December 1, 2007 12:37 AM (GMT)
Jamie should be there......:( :(
Great entertainment throughout the dreich wimbers!
Lex - December 1, 2007 08:10 AM (GMT)
just goes to show that Andy has a better PR team than Jamie really :shrug:
I reckon Hamilton will walk it with Ricky Hatton and Paula Radcliffe as the also rans.
I reckon Tim Henman should be in there, he's been a great ambassador for tennis despite not having huge success along the way. He's a great role model for good manners and tenacity.
Dinky Jo - December 1, 2007 10:19 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Dec 1 2007, 12:34 AM) |
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 PM) | | Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope: |
Andy shoudl be on the list IMO. But then so shoudl Jamie after winning that GS :rolleyes: My partner actualyl said he'd bet on Jamie winning it and he isn;t even there! Disgrace. :angry: Still there are others who are great and nto there so ....
Annoys me that there is no snooker and darts considering we are world beaters in both :rolleyes: I don't think he won as much thsi year but Phil Taylor who just won the GS of Darts has been world number oen for ages. he's the ebst darter in the world, he's the GOAT !
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oh, it annoys me beyond belief that there's no cyclists on the list. Vicky Pendleton won three Gold medals at the World Championships in Mallorca this year and the British Cycling Team took home over half of the medals available :ok: Vicky Pendleton is a wonderful ambassador for cycling - she's funny, comes across brilliantly in interviews and most importantly she's actually clean :D But I guess after getting Nicole Cooke on the list last year it was a bit much to hope that there might be another cyclist on the list this year :angry:
Wise_Analyst - December 1, 2007 11:47 AM (GMT)
Calzaghe should win it, but Hamilton probably will. Hamilton had an outstanding first season, but at the end of the day he didn't win anything (and there's a good argument that he bottled it). What's more, the likelihood is that he'll win the driver's championship at least once in the future, whereas Calzaghe's getting on a bit now - he deserves it more. Let's hope that the Brits don't go for glorious failure over genuine achievements this time.
And Jamie Murray should not be on the list. Doubles is a sub-sport of singles tennis, and mixed doubles is a sub-sport of regular doubles - it really isn't taken very seriously by anyone. He did well to choose a partner who could carry him to the title, but let's just give him an award for Outstanding Contributions to Equality or something. Admittedly, Andy Murray didn't have a spectacular season, but he at least achieved it at the highest level of his sport.
WimbledonAce - December 1, 2007 01:46 PM (GMT)
I had forgotton about Jamie Murray - how bad am I??!!
Tim Henman was 5th fave on William Hill, and he isnt even on the list!
Think Lewis will walk it anyway which is fair enough. Not much to choose from this year!
Gav - December 1, 2007 02:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Dec 1 2007, 11:47 AM) |
| Calzaghe should win it, but Hamilton probably will. Hamilton had an outstanding first season, but at the end of the day he didn't win anything (and there's a good argument that he bottled it). What's more, the likelihood is that he'll win the driver's championship at least once in the future, whereas Calzaghe's getting on a bit now - he deserves it more. Let's hope that the Brits don't go for glorious failure over genuine achievements this time. |
Pretty much agree with Wise here. Joe Calzaghe is the outstanding candidate given his tremendous success over the last ten years. Lewis Hamilton will more than probably get it though, which is a little ridiculous in my opinion. James Toseland would also be right up there in contention if I had anything to do with it, but he won't be.
Lex - December 1, 2007 03:59 PM (GMT)
it is Sports Personality of the Year though, and if you see who have had the column inches (ooerr) then I reckon Hamilton wins hands down
Unless he wins the championship next year, he'll be nowhere
liam_valid - December 1, 2007 04:20 PM (GMT)
is Lewis a great sports personality though? He always seems shy and quiet when i see him on tv. Ricky Hatton seems to have a great personality when he gives interviews so i would like him to win but i dont know if they actually vote on their personality, its more of their achievements aint it? in which case it should be called sports achievement of the year and i would vote for jason robinson coz he is drop dead gorgeous :wacko: :wacko:
SuperBRAT - December 1, 2007 04:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lex @ Dec 1 2007, 08:10 AM) |
just goes to show that Andy has a better PR team than Jamie really :shrug:
I reckon Hamilton will walk it with Ricky Hatton and Paula Radcliffe as the also rans.
I reckon Tim Henman should be in there, he's been a great ambassador for tennis despite not having huge success along the way. He's a great role model for good manners and tenacity. |
I forgot to mention him! Well I am hoping that they will give him some kind fo achievement award surely? After all he is amongst the very best of British :bow:
SuperBRAT - December 1, 2007 04:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 1 2007, 10:19 AM) |
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Dec 1 2007, 12:34 AM) | | QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 PM) | | Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope: |
Andy shoudl be on the list IMO. But then so shoudl Jamie after winning that GS :rolleyes: My partner actualyl said he'd bet on Jamie winning it and he isn;t even there! Disgrace. :angry: Still there are others who are great and nto there so ....
Annoys me that there is no snooker and darts considering we are world beaters in both :rolleyes: I don't think he won as much thsi year but Phil Taylor who just won the GS of Darts has been world number oen for ages. he's the ebst darter in the world, he's the GOAT !
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oh, it annoys me beyond belief that there's no cyclists on the list. Vicky Pendleton won three Gold medals at the World Championships in Mallorca this year and the British Cycling Team took home over half of the medals available :ok: Vicky Pendleton is a wonderful ambassador for cycling - she's funny, comes across brilliantly in interviews and most importantly she's actually clean :D But I guess after getting Nicole Cooke on the list last year it was a bit much to hope that there might be another cyclist on the list this year :angry:
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I don't knwo her Jo but by what you say she should be on the list. They do tend to ignore minority sports especially where women are involved. :rolleyes:
SuperBRAT - December 1, 2007 04:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Dec 1 2007, 11:47 AM) |
Calzaghe should win it, but Hamilton probably will. Hamilton had an outstanding first season, but at the end of the day he didn't win anything (and there's a good argument that he bottled it). What's more, the likelihood is that he'll win the driver's championship at least once in the future, whereas Calzaghe's getting on a bit now - he deserves it more. Let's hope that the Brits don't go for glorious failure over genuine achievements this time.
And Jamie Murray should not be on the list. Doubles is a sub-sport of singles tennis, and mixed doubles is a sub-sport of regular doubles - it really isn't taken very seriously by anyone. He did well to choose a partner who could carry him to the title, but let's just give him an award for Outstanding Contributions to Equality or something. Admittedly, Andy Murray didn't have a spectacular season, but he at least achieved it at the highest level of his sport. |
I see your point but I think doubles is very competitive these days and deserves to eb taken much more seriously. Jamie was a realtive unknown and beat the big names in the sport such as Jonas. In my book that deserves credit.
MissSospanFach - December 1, 2007 11:26 PM (GMT)
Can't say that I agree that doubles doesn't deserve credit. It's a sport in its own right and deserves more publicity. Having said this, I don't think Jamie deserved to be on the list this year. He's made good progress but he really needs a men's doubles slam to warrant nomination.
Also, as much as I love Tim Henman, don't think he should have been on the list either as, after all, the award is for sporting achievement in 2007 not a 'lifetime achievement' award.
Personally, I think Calazaghe deserves it. I'm not a fan of boxing but I know enought to know that he's been overlooked for so many years and last months win highlights how great a boxer he his.
Having said this, I'm sure Hamilton will win, although I'd rather see him get it in the same year as he wins the f1 championship (which he will).
Re the comment that Andy has better PR than Jamie- I think they have the same team!
Pebs - December 1, 2007 11:42 PM (GMT)
Given Jamies achievement this year - and isnt that what this award is about? - I would say he should have been included... though, doubles doesnt get much attention so not totally surprised to see him not in there..
Murray has done well all things considered with injuries and such like... but not being his biggest fan, I aint that bothered if he gets it.
I think someone like Paula should get it... although, if they are going to give it to someone who didnt quite win but had a fair amount of success - Jason Robinson would be the one for me :)
SuperBRAT - December 1, 2007 11:52 PM (GMT)
Well now everyone is discussign ti I don't much care what happens. It's fair to say that there is nothign to get excited abotu in comparison to the great Dame kelly :bow:
Lex - December 2, 2007 08:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (MissSospanFach @ Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM) |
Re the comment that Andy has better PR than Jamie- I think they have the same team! |
he just seems to be very much in Andy's shadow, I didn't realise they have the same team. Thanks for putting me right Miss S :)
MissSospanFach - December 2, 2007 11:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lex @ Dec 2 2007, 09:15 AM) |
| QUOTE (MissSospanFach @ Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM) |
Re the comment that Andy has better PR than Jamie- I think they have the same team! |
he just seems to be very much in Andy's shadow, I didn't realise they have the same team. Thanks for putting me right Miss S :)
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I'm not 100% sure but I know that the main guy, Patrice something, works for them both. I completely agree that Andy has more spotlight than Jamie which is now compounded by the fact that Jamie's coach, Louis Cayer, will now be helping Andy too!
WimbledonAce - December 2, 2007 02:30 PM (GMT)
To be quite frank sports personality is always the biggest load of bull*hit. The person that should win never does, like when Zara phillips won. Not being funny but when everything is handed to you on a plate it is hardly a great achievement.
Wise_Analyst - December 2, 2007 02:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Dec 1 2007, 04:59 PM) |
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Dec 1 2007, 11:47 AM) | Calzaghe should win it, but Hamilton probably will. Hamilton had an outstanding first season, but at the end of the day he didn't win anything (and there's a good argument that he bottled it). What's more, the likelihood is that he'll win the driver's championship at least once in the future, whereas Calzaghe's getting on a bit now - he deserves it more. Let's hope that the Brits don't go for glorious failure over genuine achievements this time.
And Jamie Murray should not be on the list. Doubles is a sub-sport of singles tennis, and mixed doubles is a sub-sport of regular doubles - it really isn't taken very seriously by anyone. He did well to choose a partner who could carry him to the title, but let's just give him an award for Outstanding Contributions to Equality or something. Admittedly, Andy Murray didn't have a spectacular season, but he at least achieved it at the highest level of his sport. |
I see your point but I think doubles is very competitive these days and deserves to eb taken much more seriously. Jamie was a realtive unknown and beat the big names in the sport such as Jonas. In my book that deserves credit.
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If he'd won the men's doubles at Wimbledon then I might agree, because that is taken seriously, and has been since the days of McEnroe and Fleming.
However, mixed doubles really is just a bit of fun. Sure, no-one wants to lose, but it's not taken anywhere near as seriously as proper tennis. You often see the players laughing and joking throughout the match, which is great, but can you imagine Federer and Nadal being all giggles throughout their Wimbledon final? Was quite the opposite if I remember. This Sports Personality award has a history of being ridiculous, but in my opinion, Jamie Murray being on the list would have taken it to new heights.
Wise_Analyst - December 2, 2007 03:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (WimbledonAce @ Dec 2 2007, 02:30 PM) |
| To be quite frank sports personality is always the biggest load of bull*hit. The person that should win never does, like when Zara phillips won. Not being funny but when everything is handed to you on a plate it is hardly a great achievement. |
I agree. Obviously the award isn't the most prestigious, but it's still taken quite seriously in this country, which frankly is a joke.
For a start, no-one has a clue what the criteria for winning is, especially the people that decide it. If it was really based on personality, Hamilton doesn't really deserve it, being blessed with the charisma of a sponge. But Steve Davis won it once in the 80s when he was seen as duller than ditchwater, so it can't really be based on that.
If it were based on achievements, again, Hamilton doesn't deserve to win it because several on the list have actually won things. I appreciate that he's attracted a lot of people to the sport during a very impressive season, which makes him a worthy contender, but not someone who should be winning the thing. To me, the award merely reflects who the British tabloid press have bandwagoned the most, which makes it utterly redundant.
Dinky Jo - December 2, 2007 03:32 PM (GMT)
Just in case people are interested, the way the nominations are worked out is that a number of newspapers and magazines get to vote for 10 people they think should win it. Each vote on a newspaper shortlist counted as one vote towards that sportsperson. There was also an expert panel who listed 10 names as well. The expert panel were:
Dame Kelly Holmes, Nick Faldo, Sir Steve Redgrave, Alan Hansen, Lord Seb Coe, Clare Balding, Jonathan Davies, Barry McGuigan, David Coulthard, Sir Trevor Brooking, Dame Tanni Grey-Thompson, Greg Rusedski
You can see the full lists of nominations
here
Lex - December 2, 2007 04:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (WimbledonAce @ Dec 2 2007, 03:30 PM) |
| To be quite frank sports personality is always the biggest load of bull*hit. The person that should win never does, like when Zara phillips won. Not being funny but when everything is handed to you on a plate it is hardly a great achievement. |
have to disagree with you there WA, she didn't get the World or European championships handed to her on a plate, nor the accolade of being the only person ever to have held them at the same time.
BIG-TODGER - December 2, 2007 11:08 PM (GMT)
three words just don't belong in the same sentence to me 'Andy Murray' and 'personality' .
As Patsy in Ab Fab once remarked 'sports personality of the year, contradiction in terms'.
BIG-TODGER - December 2, 2007 11:09 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (WimbledonAce @ Dec 2 2007, 08:30 AM) |
| To be quite frank sports personality is always the biggest load of bull*hit. The person that should win never does, like when Zara phillips won. Not being funny but when everything is handed to you on a plate it is hardly a great achievement. |
Well said.
GS2 - December 3, 2007 09:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 1 2007, 10:19 AM) |
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Dec 1 2007, 12:34 AM) | | QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 PM) | | Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope: |
Andy shoudl be on the list IMO. But then so shoudl Jamie after winning that GS :rolleyes: My partner actualyl said he'd bet on Jamie winning it and he isn;t even there! Disgrace. :angry: Still there are others who are great and nto there so ....
Annoys me that there is no snooker and darts considering we are world beaters in both :rolleyes: I don't think he won as much thsi year but Phil Taylor who just won the GS of Darts has been world number oen for ages. he's the ebst darter in the world, he's the GOAT !
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oh, it annoys me beyond belief that there's no cyclists on the list. Vicky Pendleton won three Gold medals at the World Championships in Mallorca this year and the British Cycling Team took home over half of the medals available :ok: Vicky Pendleton is a wonderful ambassador for cycling - she's funny, comes across brilliantly in interviews and most importantly she's actually clean :D But I guess after getting Nicole Cooke on the list last year it was a bit much to hope that there might be another cyclist on the list this year :angry:
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Completely agree with this - cycling is probably Britain's most succesfull sport at the moment and deserves more attention.
Chris Hoy & Vicky Pendleton both deserve to be on that list.
Certainly more than Andy Murray as much as I like him.
Dinky Jo - December 3, 2007 09:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GS2 @ Dec 3 2007, 09:40 AM) |
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 1 2007, 10:19 AM) | | QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Dec 1 2007, 12:34 AM) | | QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 PM) | | Interesting to note that Andy Murray is on the list, but Jamie Murray isn't :nope: |
Andy shoudl be on the list IMO. But then so shoudl Jamie after winning that GS :rolleyes: My partner actualyl said he'd bet on Jamie winning it and he isn;t even there! Disgrace. :angry: Still there are others who are great and nto there so ....
Annoys me that there is no snooker and darts considering we are world beaters in both :rolleyes: I don't think he won as much thsi year but Phil Taylor who just won the GS of Darts has been world number oen for ages. he's the ebst darter in the world, he's the GOAT !
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oh, it annoys me beyond belief that there's no cyclists on the list. Vicky Pendleton won three Gold medals at the World Championships in Mallorca this year and the British Cycling Team took home over half of the medals available :ok: Vicky Pendleton is a wonderful ambassador for cycling - she's funny, comes across brilliantly in interviews and most importantly she's actually clean :D But I guess after getting Nicole Cooke on the list last year it was a bit much to hope that there might be another cyclist on the list this year :angry:
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Completely agree with this - cycling is probably Britain's most succesfull sport at the moment and deserves more attention.
Chris Hoy & Vicky Pendleton both deserve to be on that list.
Certainly more than Andy Murray as much as I like him.
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well, you never know, perhaps when they come away from the Olympics with a similar haul of medals (which I'm sure they will) they may get some recognition :shrug: Vicky Pendleton and Chris Hoy have just taken world cup golds as well :ok: But if Kelly Holmes can become a "Dame" for wining 2 gold medals, i'm pretty sure Vicky should get something - you know, a mention - for getting 3 :)
USA woman - December 3, 2007 06:01 PM (GMT)
Zara Phillips-what's her sport? she's a member of the royal family right?
WimbledonAce - December 3, 2007 08:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lex @ Dec 2 2007, 04:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (WimbledonAce @ Dec 2 2007, 03:30 PM) | | To be quite frank sports personality is always the biggest load of bull*hit. The person that should win never does, like when Zara phillips won. Not being funny but when everything is handed to you on a plate it is hardly a great achievement. |
have to disagree with you there WA, she didn't get the World or European championships handed to her on a plate, nor the accolade of being the only person ever to have held them at the same time.
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I realise that but neither did she have to scrape together the money for equipment, lessons etc. She didn't have to beg for a scolarship or sponsorship. She could do all the training she wanted when she wanted. How many sportspeople is it that easy for?
WimbledonAce - December 3, 2007 08:07 PM (GMT)
Also I thought the sports personality was meant to be British, bit odd that Ronaldo features so heavily!
Also how in Gods name did Becks get a mention?????? Unbelievable.
Glad to see Greg found a place on the expert panel! :ok: Rumour has it he's doing dancing on ice next year,hehe!
Ace - December 4, 2007 01:48 AM (GMT)
Gav - December 9, 2007 07:34 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 4 2007, 01:48 AM) |
| Joe Calzaghe for sure. |
Will find out soon enough, but I hope your prediction is right!
Dinky Jo - December 9, 2007 07:53 PM (GMT)
from the Beeb live updates:
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| 1815 GMT: "Boris is on his way!" shouts a Scottish man excitedly, and sure enough Boris Becker steps out of a gleaming 4x4 and poses for photographs on the red carpet. "Boris! Boris! To me, Boris, to me!" scream the massed ranks of snappers. |
*wonders how good Gav's Scottish accent is* :P
Gav - December 9, 2007 08:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 9 2007, 07:53 PM) |
from the Beeb live updates:
| QUOTE | | 1815 GMT: "Boris is on his way!" shouts a Scottish man excitedly, and sure enough Boris Becker steps out of a gleaming 4x4 and poses for photographs on the red carpet. "Boris! Boris! To me, Boris, to me!" scream the massed ranks of snappers. |
*wonders how good Gav's Scottish accent is* :P
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Boris is there?!?! And they didn't give him airtime when they went through the tennis?!?!?!? :o :o :o Why am I even bothering to pay the license fee??
Dinky Jo - December 9, 2007 08:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gav @ Dec 9 2007, 08:00 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 9 2007, 07:53 PM) | from the Beeb live updates:
| QUOTE | | 1815 GMT: "Boris is on his way!" shouts a Scottish man excitedly, and sure enough Boris Becker steps out of a gleaming 4x4 and poses for photographs on the red carpet. "Boris! Boris! To me, Boris, to me!" scream the massed ranks of snappers. |
*wonders how good Gav's Scottish accent is* :P
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Boris is there?!?! And they didn't give him airtime when they went through the tennis?!?!?!? :o :o :o Why am I even bothering to pay the license fee??
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he's probably in a broom closet somewhere...... :P
Queen Justine - December 9, 2007 08:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 9 2007, 08:02 PM) |
| QUOTE (Gav @ Dec 9 2007, 08:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Dec 9 2007, 07:53 PM) | from the Beeb live updates:
| QUOTE | | 1815 GMT: "Boris is on his way!" shouts a Scottish man excitedly, and sure enough Boris Becker steps out of a gleaming 4x4 and poses for photographs on the red carpet. "Boris! Boris! To me, Boris, to me!" scream the massed ranks of snappers. |
*wonders how good Gav's Scottish accent is* :P
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Boris is there?!?! And they didn't give him airtime when they went through the tennis?!?!?!? :o :o :o Why am I even bothering to pay the license fee??
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he's probably in a broom closet somewhere...... :P
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Gav - December 9, 2007 08:41 PM (GMT)
License Fee is safe. Boris just collected an award on behalf of Roger Federer.... :ok:
Dinky Jo - December 9, 2007 08:45 PM (GMT)
from the BBC live updates:
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Here's Michael Johnson, gliding onto stage to the sound of Mika's smash-hit Grace Kelly. He's going to tell us who's won Overseas Sports Personality.
"Roger Federer," he says.
Boris Becker is there to pick up the award. "Roger - this is for you," he announces, somewhat unnecessarily. |
:giggle:
Gav - December 9, 2007 08:52 PM (GMT)
Bobby Robson just got the lifetime achievement award and that is one of the longest and greatest standing ovations I think I've seen at these awards. His wife was in tears, I think I nearly was! :ok: