Below is a list of some weird Head to heads of Federer.Tell me what you guys think

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...yer2=Jiri+Novak

Jiri Novak and Federer

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...2=Alex+Corretja

Alex Corretja And Federer

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...=Dominik+Hrbaty

Dominik Hrbaty and Federer.This one is hilarious :D

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...=Patrick+Rafter

Federer and Rafter.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...r&player2=kafel

Federer and Kafelnikov.Another weird one. :blink:

These are a few I was researching on.Some are quite hilarious when you look at them and others he will never get the chance to sort out.

What do you guy make of it other than the obvious statement, He was young when he lost those.

You can add Wayne Ferreira to that lot

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...playernum2=F196

I don't know what else you can say other than Federer was inconsistent when he was younger and wasn't the complete player that he is now. His gameplan has certainly changed and he has improved his shots from the back of the court alot in my opinion. He definitely still had some fantastic matches and could play some great shots back then, but he wasn't consistent with those shots like he is now.

Yep - Nothing shocking after 2003 except maybe the Canas one which is not there.

I quite like his H2H versus Kafel. He beat him him convincingly in 2002.

The strangeest result here is v Rafter. Federer has such a god record v the SVs of the 1990s who have an excellent service (Krajicek, Goran, Philippoussis, Sampras ;) but a poor one versus volleyers with a poorer serve (Rafter and Henman).

That in my view is the weird result.

Interesting there with wayne GAV.But Hrbaty beat him in 2004 and so did Jiri Novak.those are a bit weird if you ask me.

But its quite amazing though how early in your career you lose to almost everyone.He however, lost in tight matches. :ok:

You can add Ferreira to that list of poorer servers who could volley.

It seems to point out that he struggled against good volleyers at that time in his career. Out of the better servers you list for me only Sampras had a decent volley and their match was close.

Is this indicative that his return and his ability to read big serves was already tuned but his movement and ability for reading volleys just wasn't accurate and consistent at that stage of his career? Interesting....

Do you consider Ferrera a SVer Gav? I saw him as a baseliner wih a great FH.

The 2nd Hrbty loss was quite close and if I remember Federer had just won Montreal in 2004 so he may have been tired or done a "Djoko". I remember as he was on a record winning string and was disappointed he lost but obviously can't rule out fatigue when those 2 TMSs are involved.

Ferreira had excellent volleying skills from what I remember and certainly turned that on when playing on grass, I remember his 4th round clash with Becker at Wimbledon in 1992 vividly. In fact he served and vollyed his way to the Queens title that year as well from what I remember.

It's true to say I didn't see much of his game on other surfaces, although I seem to remember him volleying a lot at the Australian Open on more than one occasion as well.

Maybe he adapted his game later in his career, I really don't remember to be honest so perhaps his style when playing Federer may have changed.

Ferreira was indeed a baseliner who possessed great vollyeing skills.His ong time doubles partner was Yevegeny Kafelnikov and they had great results together.

Ferreira however was also of a frail mind nature.He also was a great rival of Sampras.But he was in no way a serve a volley specialist. :ok:

It was actually a tight affair but I mean he won the first set 6-1 and then lost the second on a tiebreak and then lost the third 6-4.Its indicative of strange things happening :blink: I cant fathom that loss though :blink:

No wonder you're winking!

You can't base an anything on one match - you need a series of matches.

Wayne Ferreira seemed to give quite a few players trouble in his career.

Gav, that's a weird avatar.

Including Sampras ;)

Sorry just one match - which went to 7-5 in the fifth set.

Not having that one ;)

We talking about Wayne worrying Sampras not Federer.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...r2=Pete+Sampras

Wayne had a streak of 4 wins against the big server ;)
On a serious note.They had some great encounters.I remember that Key Biscayne 1998. It was a good match.This is an example of how certain game styles match up really well! :ok:

Take a look at this weird Head to Head :blink:

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...2=Roger+Federer

:D

Roger has the odd H2H which he doesn't pown. I'll forgive him for that especially the Hrbaty one I think it's kind of funny.

I bet Hrbaty brags about that one...I certainly would. :P

Apologies for reposting this one :(

Just to digress...anyone seen this H2H

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...r2=John+McEnroe

omw :blink:

What rivalry!

Yes Lendl able to make the difference towards the end due to his fitness regime.

The Lendl v Becker is also a good one!

Lendl Sampras is quite impressive knowing that Sampras is 11 years younger (that works both ways I agree) but even at the end of his career Lendl was no easy task for Pete.

I knew that would grab your attention :P Lendl owned Pete thats why he has a winning h2h against him even up to 1994.

I havenet seen the Lendl Becker one.Let me squiz over there! :D

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...r2=Boris+Becker

Becker leads their Grand Slam H2H but Lendl leads the overall tally by 1 more win.Still think the McEnroe/Lendl one is better!

yes had Lendl got the same "arrogance/confidence" as Becker, he would have won 18 GS. ;) ..maybe. Lendl has still an amazing record despite his many GS finals losts!

I think you need to look at that h2h again DN. Lendl and Pete were 3-3 going into 1994!


Lendl could have had so many more slams.... He was a superb dominant player :ok:

Oops my bad....Apologies. :(

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...r2=Pete+Sampras

How many GS finals has Lendl lost? I am aware of 2 Wimbies, 3 USO, 2 FOs? 1 AO? Maybe more?

Unfortunately for Ivan he was a runner up at 11 GS Events. 5 US Opens, 2 French Opens, 2 Aussie Opens and 2 Wimbledons. :(

Shoot - This is my selective memory! ;)

He was robbed by Connors in 2 USO's finals! I can't believe I supported Connors in the first final. I regret it to this day!

I saw for the first time some shorts of the Mecir / Edberg 1988 Wimby semi! What an amazing match. Beautiful points all along. They were 2 of my all atime fav players. Edberg's volleys were simply from another league than any other player. If he had had a better serve (wasn't bad but did not have the power of Becker or Sampras), he would have won even more GSs.

Edberg is also probably the SV player closest to win the FO since Noah!

Yeah Edberg got so close and his volleying may never be bettered, nor his backhand.

But I am not sure if Connors robbed Lendl in those US Open Finals, they were both 4 setters in favour of Connors, one with Connors bagelling Lendl in the final set! I know you think Connors won a lot due to the crowd, and I don't disagree that was part of his setup but he also had some fantastic tennis to back that up and is one of the greatest out there. Even though he wasn't a favourite of mine I have to admit that. :ok:

Edberg actually features in some of the best matches ever:

v Courier in the USO final. One sided certainly but a tennis lesson to the then number one or 2 tenis player in the world (Courier)!

His quarter versus R. Krishnan in the USO 1/4 was refered at the time as the "best match" ever,

His 1988 win versus Becker in Wimby Final, after Becker winning the Queens weeks earlier and saying in his interview:" Edberg can win Wimby but he does not know it" Thanks very much answered Edberg in that Wimbleodn Final. ;)

They were in 4 sets Gav but Lendl had beaten him pretty convincingly in similar surfaces before and after those USOs, so clearly Connors game was no match to Lendl on this surface....

And this gives me an opportunity to remind us all once again of this fantastic stat:

Connors was beaten 17 consecutive times by Lendl!!!! ;) :lmaao:

Just kidding Gav....I know you won't mind me bashing Jimmy. People have moved on and I think his gut eater style would not go too well nowadays.





http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...player2=Connors

You can bash him all you want. I may not have supported him but I still have a great deal of respect for a guy who got to the US Open Semi when he was 39 and was holder of 8 slams.

EDIT:- And you can add to that that he was one hell of a fighter and character....which is a style I think would go well down today. We don't seem to have too many.

I personally respect the way players gets their success more than the success itself. The Kipling poem "IF" at the gate of Wimbledon's centre court is what it is all about for me. I don;t think Connors fits that poem definition too well.

I'm not too sure if many players treat triumph and disaster in the same way.... ;)

But to be honest you mention those 17 straight wins Lendl had over Connors.... I bet you Lendl would swap every one of them for those two US Open wins Connors got over him, just as Boris would swap his even heavier one sided h2h with Edberg for the two Wimbledon victories Edberg scored over him.... but let's not talk about those...I may cry :cry:

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/head...2=Jimmy+Connors

Gosh they really were 17 WTF :yikes:

Correct...but most "can talk with crowds and keep their virtue". Connors sold his soul to the devil. I have watched enough of him to know that his fighting spirit consisted mostly of unsettling hi sopponents by ridiculing them in front of the crowd, if not in the changing room first according to McEnroe-no-angel-himself. The way he called Lendl chicken for no reason in front of a packed CC was too dirty for me to appreciate this kind of players. I am convinced the Roman circus would not go down too well nowadays.

The connors lendl h2h is certainly very interesting.

In 82 Lendl whooped him for his first win it seems but Connors held the mental edge for the two US finals after.

At the end Lendl was killing him time after time.

Connors beaten 11 times in a row by McEnroe!!!!!!


Connors beaten 8 times in a row by Borg!!!


:coffee:

Wouldn't happen to have a chip on your shoulder about Connors would you Tenez? ;)

Not sure how I ended up talking about him again but I won't miss an opportunity to spread his bad stats. :yahoo:

I do enjoy his commentary job now though on the BBC....so nope no chip on my shoulder.

What a coincidence? I just popped to another forum (where I don't post btw) and look at the title......More description of what i was talking about.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread...362#post6309362